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		<title>By: Newspapers must grow their online news market share. Can they? &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/01/social-networks-newspapers-ignore-them-at-their-peril/comment-page-1/#comment-12784</link>
		<dc:creator>Newspapers must grow their online news market share. Can they? &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (Nieman links:  &#8220;Building networks around news&#8221;   &#8220;Social networks: &#8220;News organizations ignore them at their peril&#8221; and &#8220;A café-shaped conversation&#8220;).  Start by appointing a Chief Social [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (Nieman links:  &#8220;Building networks around news&#8221;   &#8220;Social networks: &#8220;News organizations ignore them at their peril&#8221; and &#8220;A café-shaped conversation&#8220;).  Start by appointing a Chief Social [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mediablogi - links for 2009-01-31</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mediablogi - links for 2009-01-31</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Social networks: newspapers ignore them at their peril » Nieman Journalism Lab » Pushing to the Fu... Paikalliset sanomalehdet voisivat olla luonteva sosiaalinen verkosto, jonka pystyy kääntämään liiketoiminnaksi ja joka tukee paikallista lehteä. Helposti sanottu, vaikea toteuttaa. (tags: sanomalehdet internet tulevaisuus mediabisnes newspapers socialmedia) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Social networks: newspapers ignore them at their peril » Nieman Journalism Lab » Pushing to the Fu&#8230; Paikalliset sanomalehdet voisivat olla luonteva sosiaalinen verkosto, jonka pystyy kääntämään liiketoiminnaksi ja joka tukee paikallista lehteä. Helposti sanottu, vaikea toteuttaa. (tags: sanomalehdet internet tulevaisuus mediabisnes newspapers socialmedia) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: stephen quinn</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/01/social-networks-newspapers-ignore-them-at-their-peril/comment-page-1/#comment-5566</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Pew  report of 14 December 2009 (which I assume is the report quoted in this post) makes the point on page 3 that it is NOT based on a random survey, and therefore does NOT represent a &quot;representative sample&quot;. To make predictions based on a non-representative sample is dangerous. It appears the sample comes from only one language, English, so to extrapolate to the rest of the world is also suspect. But I agree with the gist of the post: A good question to ask is why so few media organisations have embraced social media. Cheers from Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pew  report of 14 December 2009 (which I assume is the report quoted in this post) makes the point on page 3 that it is NOT based on a random survey, and therefore does NOT represent a &#8220;representative sample&#8221;. To make predictions based on a non-representative sample is dangerous. It appears the sample comes from only one language, English, so to extrapolate to the rest of the world is also suspect. But I agree with the gist of the post: A good question to ask is why so few media organisations have embraced social media. Cheers from Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Langeveld</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/01/social-networks-newspapers-ignore-them-at-their-peril/comment-page-1/#comment-5261</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Langeveld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good points, Melinda, and thanks.  Ironically, for a while I used the handle NewsMaven at my old blog News After Newspapers, before coming out of the closet. In any case, I have subscribed!

I agree that news organizations should interact with readers on Facebook, Twitter, wherever they can find them.  No question.  And as I&#039;ve mentioned, the N. Y. Times has more going on its Facebook fan page than at Times People, so that supports your contention.  But I do think that people think of their various social networks as different groups for different purposes -- one for actual &quot;social&quot; interactions (Facebook, MySpace), one for professional interactions (LinkedIn), perhaps one at the enterprise level for interacting with co-workers, etc.  Usually these are referred to as silos.  So the question is, is there room for another silo based on news, and will people want to interact as part of another group, for this other purpose of sharing and digesting news.  My feeling is that they will. The moderate success of the individual newspaper web sites I list seems to support that.  Another example: I&#039;ve been part of a small network called Metafilter for years -- its a social network built not so much around news as around &quot;the best of the web&quot; -- links to interesting content of all kinds.  Most people there, I&#039;m sure, are also on various other networks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good points, Melinda, and thanks.  Ironically, for a while I used the handle NewsMaven at my old blog News After Newspapers, before coming out of the closet. In any case, I have subscribed!</p>
<p>I agree that news organizations should interact with readers on Facebook, Twitter, wherever they can find them.  No question.  And as I&#8217;ve mentioned, the N. Y. Times has more going on its Facebook fan page than at Times People, so that supports your contention.  But I do think that people think of their various social networks as different groups for different purposes &#8212; one for actual &#8220;social&#8221; interactions (Facebook, MySpace), one for professional interactions (LinkedIn), perhaps one at the enterprise level for interacting with co-workers, etc.  Usually these are referred to as silos.  So the question is, is there room for another silo based on news, and will people want to interact as part of another group, for this other purpose of sharing and digesting news.  My feeling is that they will. The moderate success of the individual newspaper web sites I list seems to support that.  Another example: I&#8217;ve been part of a small network called Metafilter for years &#8212; its a social network built not so much around news as around &#8220;the best of the web&#8221; &#8212; links to interesting content of all kinds.  Most people there, I&#8217;m sure, are also on various other networks.</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda Gipson</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/01/social-networks-newspapers-ignore-them-at-their-peril/comment-page-1/#comment-5184</link>
		<dc:creator>Melinda Gipson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was with you until the conclusion -- except in rare cases, I think the implication that individual online newspaper sites necessarily benefit from trying to set up yet another social network is now completely passe. 

The problem with this thinking is two-fold, and you can take this from the flip side of your own stats -- one in three people already have a social network they enjoy, and in my case it&#039;s already three. I&#039;m invested now, and it&#039;s just too much work, absent a strong affinity hook, to make me monitor yet another site where I&#039;ve established my connectivity. Second, on the subject of affinity, online newspapers are so general that, in an ocean of Internet niches, the only thing they have to offer users as affinity is their locale. 

I&#039;m not saying it isn&#039;t possible for online newspapers to succeed in this space, but I&#039;m more impressed by efforts like Gannett&#039;s to circle the wagons around working mothers, or even a That&#039;s Racin community around NASCAR. Otherwise, I think the better strategy would be to leverage and engage Facebook and other already existing social nets in a kind of two-way conversation. Facebook&#039;s open API makes it incredibly simple to develop applications and widgets that can be shared and become viral within a MUCH larger community. There are even smart scenarios where newspapers could employ such scripts to take their customers&#039; campaigns viral just by making them shareable on the other big social networks. 

If newspapers had bought this line 15 years ago, Koz could have been Facebook, but I think it&#039;s already a different game. Having seen many failed community building efforts from newspapers, I think it&#039;s really time to think about how publishers can leverage the existing networks in smarter ways. 

Realize that users, just by becoming a &quot;fan&quot; of something on Facebook, broadcast to their entire network. Watch the Facebook newsfeed at work. Give people something to share, because the average Facebook profile has 150 friends and that&#039;s a massive multiplier effect. 

Being Digital means being everywhere your user can find you and using your true leverage -- as the stuff that people are talking ABOUT, to get out there in little viral snippets, widgets, or half a dozen other great applications that can make you part of your users&#039;  lives. 

As a final note, i think it&#039;s amazing in a story like this that you didn&#039;t use the word Twitter in the body of your story. To your credit, you clearly know it well, since you&#039;re calling in relevant posts in the right rail. But just for the record, Twitter is a social network, even though it looks nothing like the ones you&#039;re building.

Great piece, important topic, huge imperative for action; I&#039;d just draw a different conclusion. (Blog about this at Newzmaven.com too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was with you until the conclusion &#8212; except in rare cases, I think the implication that individual online newspaper sites necessarily benefit from trying to set up yet another social network is now completely passe. </p>
<p>The problem with this thinking is two-fold, and you can take this from the flip side of your own stats &#8212; one in three people already have a social network they enjoy, and in my case it&#8217;s already three. I&#8217;m invested now, and it&#8217;s just too much work, absent a strong affinity hook, to make me monitor yet another site where I&#8217;ve established my connectivity. Second, on the subject of affinity, online newspapers are so general that, in an ocean of Internet niches, the only thing they have to offer users as affinity is their locale. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying it isn&#8217;t possible for online newspapers to succeed in this space, but I&#8217;m more impressed by efforts like Gannett&#8217;s to circle the wagons around working mothers, or even a That&#8217;s Racin community around NASCAR. Otherwise, I think the better strategy would be to leverage and engage Facebook and other already existing social nets in a kind of two-way conversation. Facebook&#8217;s open API makes it incredibly simple to develop applications and widgets that can be shared and become viral within a MUCH larger community. There are even smart scenarios where newspapers could employ such scripts to take their customers&#8217; campaigns viral just by making them shareable on the other big social networks. </p>
<p>If newspapers had bought this line 15 years ago, Koz could have been Facebook, but I think it&#8217;s already a different game. Having seen many failed community building efforts from newspapers, I think it&#8217;s really time to think about how publishers can leverage the existing networks in smarter ways. </p>
<p>Realize that users, just by becoming a &#8220;fan&#8221; of something on Facebook, broadcast to their entire network. Watch the Facebook newsfeed at work. Give people something to share, because the average Facebook profile has 150 friends and that&#8217;s a massive multiplier effect. </p>
<p>Being Digital means being everywhere your user can find you and using your true leverage &#8212; as the stuff that people are talking ABOUT, to get out there in little viral snippets, widgets, or half a dozen other great applications that can make you part of your users&#8217;  lives. </p>
<p>As a final note, i think it&#8217;s amazing in a story like this that you didn&#8217;t use the word Twitter in the body of your story. To your credit, you clearly know it well, since you&#8217;re calling in relevant posts in the right rail. But just for the record, Twitter is a social network, even though it looks nothing like the ones you&#8217;re building.</p>
<p>Great piece, important topic, huge imperative for action; I&#8217;d just draw a different conclusion. (Blog about this at Newzmaven.com too.)</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Langeveld</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/01/social-networks-newspapers-ignore-them-at-their-peril/comment-page-1/#comment-5128</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Langeveld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Tim, that&#039;s a nice-looking entry page giving a good overview of what people can do: join, profile, blog, post stories, photos, videos, events, invite friends, announce weddings, become &quot;guests&quot; at same, start/join groups (motorcyclists, Marines, barbershop quartet fans, etc. are showing).  There is a nice explanation of the whole deal under &quot;What is this place&quot; next to &quot;Sign up.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Tim, that&#8217;s a nice-looking entry page giving a good overview of what people can do: join, profile, blog, post stories, photos, videos, events, invite friends, announce weddings, become &#8220;guests&#8221; at same, start/join groups (motorcyclists, Marines, barbershop quartet fans, etc. are showing).  There is a nice explanation of the whole deal under &#8220;What is this place&#8221; next to &#8220;Sign up.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim D'Avis</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/01/social-networks-newspapers-ignore-them-at-their-peril/comment-page-1/#comment-5117</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim D'Avis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have &lt;a href=&quot;http://my.quadsville.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Quadsville&lt;/a&gt; here in the Quad-Cities, attached to our main news site, &lt;a href=&quot;qctimes.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;qctimes.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have <a href="http://my.quadsville.com" rel="nofollow">Quadsville</a> here in the Quad-Cities, attached to our main news site, <a href="qctimes.com" rel="nofollow">qctimes.com</a></p>
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