Comments on: The benefits (and drawbacks) of keeping web and print separate http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/01/the-benefits-and-drawbacks-of-keeping-web-and-print-separate/ A collaborative effort to figure out the future of journalism. A project of Harvard University. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:39:00 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: On Keeping Web and Print Separate « Predicate, LLC | Editorial + Content Strategy http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/01/the-benefits-and-drawbacks-of-keeping-web-and-print-separate/comment-page-1/#comment-50030 On Keeping Web and Print Separate « Predicate, LLC | Editorial + Content Strategy Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:27:43 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=850#comment-50030 [...] Yes, I’m sure there were projects that were only possible because the washingtonpost.com people were separate from the newsroom. But I’d also bet there would have serious benefits to having them in the newsroom — like infecting print people with some of the culture the web people had developed.via The benefits (and drawbacks) of keeping web and print separate » Nieman Journalism Lab »... [...] [...] Yes, I’m sure there were projects that were only possible because the washingtonpost.com people were separate from the newsroom. But I’d also bet there would have serious benefits to having them in the newsroom — like infecting print people with some of the culture the web people had developed.via The benefits (and drawbacks) of keeping web and print separate » Nieman Journalism Lab »… [...]

]]> By: Ryan Thornburg http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/01/the-benefits-and-drawbacks-of-keeping-web-and-print-separate/comment-page-1/#comment-3563 Ryan Thornburg Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:23:14 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=850#comment-3563 I want to reiterate that I think news organizations need both tight integration and some separation. And I don't think it has as much to do with online as it does experimentation. I feel the same way about WPNI as I do about Express, the Post Co's free commuter tab. If you think of a Venn diagram with the mothership and the outposts, I think you see a natural movement where the mothership moves so that it encompasses more of the outpost. It's size doesn't change, it just moves location on the X,Y axes. So that means two things: the mothership is naturally going to give up some print "stuff" as it adds more online "stuff" to its portfolio. But the outposts need to move, too, so that no greater percentage of them get enveloped by the mothership. If someone wants to animate this for me, I'd be much obliged... I'm drawing air circles here that none of you can see... I want to reiterate that I think news organizations need both tight integration and some separation. And I don’t think it has as much to do with online as it does experimentation. I feel the same way about WPNI as I do about Express, the Post Co’s free commuter tab.

If you think of a Venn diagram with the mothership and the outposts, I think you see a natural movement where the mothership moves so that it encompasses more of the outpost. It’s size doesn’t change, it just moves location on the X,Y axes.

So that means two things: the mothership is naturally going to give up some print “stuff” as it adds more online “stuff” to its portfolio. But the outposts need to move, too, so that no greater percentage of them get enveloped by the mothership.

If someone wants to animate this for me, I’d be much obliged… I’m drawing air circles here that none of you can see…

]]> By: Kirk LaPointe http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/01/the-benefits-and-drawbacks-of-keeping-web-and-print-separate/comment-page-1/#comment-1898 Kirk LaPointe Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:44:21 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=850#comment-1898 In our experience here at The Vancouver Sun, the integration of print and online has far outweighed any benefits of sustaining two specific (if excellent and passionate) production teams. One plus one equals more than two. The journalism is developed without silos and with the next needed platform in mind. Each culture helps the other. And in newsrooms with unions and collective agreements, it's necessary to train and provide opportunities for the incumbents. Like the craft itself, they have to be bridged to digital media, and an integrated newsroom best effects this. In our experience here at The Vancouver Sun, the integration of print and online has far outweighed any benefits of sustaining two specific (if excellent and passionate) production teams. One plus one equals more than two.
The journalism is developed without silos and with the next needed platform in mind. Each culture helps the other.
And in newsrooms with unions and collective agreements, it’s necessary to train and provide opportunities for the incumbents. Like the craft itself, they have to be bridged to digital media, and an integrated newsroom best effects this.

]]> By: Derek Willis http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/01/the-benefits-and-drawbacks-of-keeping-web-and-print-separate/comment-page-1/#comment-1817 Derek Willis Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:20:17 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=850#comment-1817 I agree that merger talk does cover a lot of ground (or should). I also agree that you do have to judge the benefits and drawbacks of any arrangement. My original comment was motivated by the fact that the initial post on this topic did *neither* of those things. It didn't say a word about culture, and it didn't judge any of WPNI's accomplishments. I agree that merger talk does cover a lot of ground (or should). I also agree that you do have to judge the benefits and drawbacks of any arrangement. My original comment was motivated by the fact that the initial post on this topic did *neither* of those things. It didn’t say a word about culture, and it didn’t judge any of WPNI’s accomplishments.

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