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	<title>Comments on: The New York Times APIs: Shimmers of promise in early uses, but real work starts tomorrow</title>
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		<title>By: Knight News Challenge: Aaron Presnall&#8217;s data-viz project hopes to help small papers picture the news &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/02/the-new-york-times-apis-shimmers-of-promise-in-early-uses-but-real-work-starts-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-19401</link>
		<dc:creator>Knight News Challenge: Aaron Presnall&#8217;s data-viz project hopes to help small papers picture the news &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and 2009. It was created by Vancouver artist Jer Thorp, whose terrific work we&#8217;ve mentioned before.  SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: &quot;Knight News Challenge: Aaron Presnall&#8217;s data-viz project hopes [...]</description>
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<p>[...] and 2009. It was created by Vancouver artist Jer Thorp, whose terrific work we&#8217;ve mentioned before.  SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: &#8220;Knight News Challenge: Aaron Presnall&#8217;s data-viz project hopes [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The first sketches of history &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>The first sketches of history &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 02:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this month at Times Open, the newspaper&#8217;s conference for developers. He was interested in the Times&#8217; newly released APIs, which could help facilitate his work while expanding the potential for analysis. (However, they [...]</description>
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<p>[...] this month at Times Open, the newspaper&#8217;s conference for developers. He was interested in the Times&#8217; newly released APIs, which could help facilitate his work while expanding the potential for analysis. (However, they [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Die Revolution der Netzinhalte - Thesen, Links und Zitate &#124; lab</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/02/the-new-york-times-apis-shimmers-of-promise-in-early-uses-but-real-work-starts-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-9777</link>
		<dc:creator>Die Revolution der Netzinhalte - Thesen, Links und Zitate &#124; lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] number of very interesting uses of the NYT APIs //Nieman Journalism [...]</description>
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<p>[...] number of very interesting uses of the NYT APIs //Nieman Journalism [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Times Open: New assumptions for newspapers and their audience &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab &#187; Pushing to the Future of Journalism</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/02/the-new-york-times-apis-shimmers-of-promise-in-early-uses-but-real-work-starts-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-8537</link>
		<dc:creator>Times Open: New assumptions for newspapers and their audience &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab &#187; Pushing to the Future of Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] web guys (all guys) who ran the show on Friday spent much of their time touting and explaining the APIs they&#8217;ve been releasing since October. In the biggest news to emerge from the conference, Andrzej Lawn and Michael Donohoe previewed the [...]</description>
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<p>[...] web guys (all guys) who ran the show on Friday spent much of their time touting and explaining the APIs they&#8217;ve been releasing since October. In the biggest news to emerge from the conference, Andrzej Lawn and Michael Donohoe previewed the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Times Open at the NYT Building: Follow the coverage on Twitter &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab &#187; Pushing to the Future of Journalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Times Open at the NYT Building: Follow the coverage on Twitter &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab &#187; Pushing to the Future of Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of APIs they&#8217;ve been releasing. (I explained what APIs are and gave a preview of Times Open in a post yesterday.) There&#8217;s a lot of excitement here about the future of journalism, and I&#8217;m collecting [...]</description>
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<p>[...] of APIs they&#8217;ve been releasing. (I explained what APIs are and gave a preview of Times Open in a post yesterday.) There&#8217;s a lot of excitement here about the future of journalism, and I&#8217;m collecting [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary M. Seward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zachary M. Seward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Taylor. It looks great and seems like an improvement, in certain circumstances, over the Times&#039; own search function. I just gave it a tweet and hope to meet you tomorrow. —Zach</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Taylor. It looks great and seems like an improvement, in certain circumstances, over the Times&#8217; own search function. I just gave it a tweet and hope to meet you tomorrow. —Zach</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See also nytexplorer.com - just launched!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See also nytexplorer.com &#8211; just launched!</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Steichen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Steichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The excitement over the growing number of API&#039;s being made available by the New York Times (and others) is driven by the wide range of possible value-added applications.

But I think we should not abandon a healthy level of some skepticism.

We should keep in mind that these API&#039;s are almost certainly not being offered (purely or even mainly) out of a sense of altruism or public service.  The publishers will almost certainly charge for these services when and if the demand grows sufficiently - it makes no sense not to.  (Keep in mind that onlline newspapers are getting increasingly desperate for funds, and you&#039;d be naive to assume this would be an exception.)  

Just look a the terms of service.  Some TOS&#039;s outright restrict the use to non-commercial purposes.  Others, like the NYTimes, (appear to - for now, anyway) allow some commercial uses, but at the same time prohibit any user of the API from employing that API in anything that competes with the NYTimes (current *or future* offerings).  If you realize that one of the main motives of those who release the API&#039;s is to see what good ideas others can come up with, is it such a stretch to assume that these same companies will be eager to implement good ideas themselves, regardless of where they came from?  And then notify you that you&#039;re now competing, in violation of the TOS?

In any case, even without the incentives just discussed, I&#039;d be very careful about building a business (at least one that requires more than a trivial investment) around services that are provided by a third party, especially when that party&#039;s terms of service declare they can change anything at any time they want.  That&#039;s just good business sense.

Just my $0.02.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The excitement over the growing number of API&#8217;s being made available by the New York Times (and others) is driven by the wide range of possible value-added applications.</p>
<p>But I think we should not abandon a healthy level of some skepticism.</p>
<p>We should keep in mind that these API&#8217;s are almost certainly not being offered (purely or even mainly) out of a sense of altruism or public service.  The publishers will almost certainly charge for these services when and if the demand grows sufficiently &#8211; it makes no sense not to.  (Keep in mind that onlline newspapers are getting increasingly desperate for funds, and you&#8217;d be naive to assume this would be an exception.)  </p>
<p>Just look a the terms of service.  Some TOS&#8217;s outright restrict the use to non-commercial purposes.  Others, like the NYTimes, (appear to &#8211; for now, anyway) allow some commercial uses, but at the same time prohibit any user of the API from employing that API in anything that competes with the NYTimes (current *or future* offerings).  If you realize that one of the main motives of those who release the API&#8217;s is to see what good ideas others can come up with, is it such a stretch to assume that these same companies will be eager to implement good ideas themselves, regardless of where they came from?  And then notify you that you&#8217;re now competing, in violation of the TOS?</p>
<p>In any case, even without the incentives just discussed, I&#8217;d be very careful about building a business (at least one that requires more than a trivial investment) around services that are provided by a third party, especially when that party&#8217;s terms of service declare they can change anything at any time they want.  That&#8217;s just good business sense.</p>
<p>Just my $0.02.</p>
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		<title>By: Bollywood and hollywood - Movie reviews, News, gossip &#187; The New York Times APIs: Shimmers of promise in early uses, but real work starts tomorrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bollywood and hollywood - Movie reviews, News, gossip &#187; The New York Times APIs: Shimmers of promise in early uses, but real work starts tomorrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cómo hacer de tus servicios, una necesidad &#171; Horacio Garay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cómo hacer de tus servicios, una necesidad &#171; Horacio Garay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] las nuevas aplicaciones que han salido a flote de la mano de otros emprendimientos, esto representa un gran paso para el perfil de los medios tradicionales que sin lugar a dudas ayudará a miles de [...]</description>
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