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		<title>By: Response Generators Inc &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Local broadcasting: Maybe we should have seen it coming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Response Generators Inc &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Local broadcasting: Maybe we should have seen it coming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been a lot of buzz in regards to the future of all kinds of local media – newspapers, TV and radio. Advertising is getting cut and their revenue streams are being [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MichaelJ</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/02/wsj-we-charge-why-arent-you/comment-page-1/#comment-8600</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re &quot;(should newspapers get into the hardware business too?)&quot;

Newspapers are in the hardware business. Taken in the sense that the technology required to deliver the Paper everyday in many locations is a legacy technology that has evolved over a hundred years. Once lost it is very hard to recreate.

Journalism started to separate from newspapers when TV came on the scene. It continues to separate with the internet. 

Newspapers are just one of many delivery mechanism for journalism, but they are still the best delivery mechanism for local ads. 

Making money is about selling ads. Doing journalism is a related, but separable question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re &#8220;(should newspapers get into the hardware business too?)&#8221;</p>
<p>Newspapers are in the hardware business. Taken in the sense that the technology required to deliver the Paper everyday in many locations is a legacy technology that has evolved over a hundred years. Once lost it is very hard to recreate.</p>
<p>Journalism started to separate from newspapers when TV came on the scene. It continues to separate with the internet. </p>
<p>Newspapers are just one of many delivery mechanism for journalism, but they are still the best delivery mechanism for local ads. </p>
<p>Making money is about selling ads. Doing journalism is a related, but separable question.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelJ</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/02/wsj-we-charge-why-arent-you/comment-page-1/#comment-8563</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry,
re Bloobmerg, I&#039;m going by what Matthew said in the post 
&#039;..Leaving aside the fact that Bloomberg actually charges mostly for its proprietary terminals (should newspapers get into the hardware business too?), . . . 

Re: &quot;If we look at the newspaper as a coupon and ad delivery device (ie, the PAPER),. . . &quot; truth be told, for most newspapers, most of the time, that is pretty much the case. They also deliver crossword puzzles, anagrams, weather, sports scores.

And, in the news hole, some news. Most often rewrites of wire services and PR releases.

This is specifically NOT to disagree with you4r notion of new products for new audiences. Just that it&#039;s important to realize that &quot;news related&quot; products are for niche audiences, not mass markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry,<br />
re Bloobmerg, I&#8217;m going by what Matthew said in the post<br />
&#8216;..Leaving aside the fact that Bloomberg actually charges mostly for its proprietary terminals (should newspapers get into the hardware business too?), . . . </p>
<p>Re: &#8220;If we look at the newspaper as a coupon and ad delivery device (ie, the PAPER),. . . &#8221; truth be told, for most newspapers, most of the time, that is pretty much the case. They also deliver crossword puzzles, anagrams, weather, sports scores.</p>
<p>And, in the news hole, some news. Most often rewrites of wire services and PR releases.</p>
<p>This is specifically NOT to disagree with you4r notion of new products for new audiences. Just that it&#8217;s important to realize that &#8220;news related&#8221; products are for niche audiences, not mass markets.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Steichen</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/02/wsj-we-charge-why-arent-you/comment-page-1/#comment-8552</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Steichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, it is my understanding that the money that Bloomberg and others make is indeed in the transaction fees over time, not in the delivery device per se.  The delivery device is merely part of their means to provide exclusivity for information it delivers.

If we look at the newspaper as a coupon and ad delivery device (ie, the PAPER), I think get on a slippery slope heading towards total irrelevance.  I think it&#039;s *essential* to maintain a focus on producing innovative and high quality *news-related* products that people want, and *then* figuring out how to monetize them (rather than the other way around).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, it is my understanding that the money that Bloomberg and others make is indeed in the transaction fees over time, not in the delivery device per se.  The delivery device is merely part of their means to provide exclusivity for information it delivers.</p>
<p>If we look at the newspaper as a coupon and ad delivery device (ie, the PAPER), I think get on a slippery slope heading towards total irrelevance.  I think it&#8217;s *essential* to maintain a focus on producing innovative and high quality *news-related* products that people want, and *then* figuring out how to monetize them (rather than the other way around).</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Spinning pipe dreams about coming up with the newspaper version of XboxLive is another thing entirely.&quot;

I can see the frustration -- the concepts seem similar enough that people want them to be compatible.  

I wonder if there really is much that newspapers can do, since the primary income source comes from advertising.

I always considered the primary benefit of a newspaper being its accountability and reliability.  If it gets things wrong, it can get sued, so there&#039;s an effort to try to get things right... or at least, legally safe.  Because anyone can get published online, the fact checking is all up to me... and what&#039;s the best thing to double-check with?  A reliable publication like the Globe and Mail.

It&#039;s not the news that&#039;s valuable to the reader in my opinion, it&#039;s the fact-checking.  I wonder if the fact-checking value could also be applied to the advertising.  

Online publishing is chock full of spammy, sleazy, or otherwise untrustworthy advertising.  Would it be worthwhile to the public to have a site where not only the news was fact-checked, but the ads were also checked for honesty?

In this way, the content itself is free to the consumer, while the costs and profit is taken care of by advertisers.  Extra value for the consumer is that the advertising isn&#039;t just free-for-all, but exclusive to reliable, trustworthy businesses and organizations.  

The biggest obstacle I can see would be the creation of the reputation required.

Am I on the right track?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Spinning pipe dreams about coming up with the newspaper version of XboxLive is another thing entirely.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can see the frustration &#8212; the concepts seem similar enough that people want them to be compatible.  </p>
<p>I wonder if there really is much that newspapers can do, since the primary income source comes from advertising.</p>
<p>I always considered the primary benefit of a newspaper being its accountability and reliability.  If it gets things wrong, it can get sued, so there&#8217;s an effort to try to get things right&#8230; or at least, legally safe.  Because anyone can get published online, the fact checking is all up to me&#8230; and what&#8217;s the best thing to double-check with?  A reliable publication like the Globe and Mail.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the news that&#8217;s valuable to the reader in my opinion, it&#8217;s the fact-checking.  I wonder if the fact-checking value could also be applied to the advertising.  </p>
<p>Online publishing is chock full of spammy, sleazy, or otherwise untrustworthy advertising.  Would it be worthwhile to the public to have a site where not only the news was fact-checked, but the ads were also checked for honesty?</p>
<p>In this way, the content itself is free to the consumer, while the costs and profit is taken care of by advertisers.  Extra value for the consumer is that the advertising isn&#8217;t just free-for-all, but exclusive to reliable, trustworthy businesses and organizations.  </p>
<p>The biggest obstacle I can see would be the creation of the reputation required.</p>
<p>Am I on the right track?</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawn, I think you&#039;ve got it just right when you said,
 &quot;But for the most part, the only value of the newspaper is in it’s packaging - the PAPER part -&quot; 

Consider, that Bloomberg sells the terminal. Apple sells the iPod. MLB sells the t-shirts and the hats. WSJ sells the token, as in &quot;people like us, subscribe to the WSJ&quot; and besides it&#039;s someone else&#039;s money.

Nobody is selling the information. They make their money on the deliveriy device with a small transaction fee to cover costs for the information.

You probably remember, &quot;It&#039;s the economy, Stupid&quot; from the first Clinton campaign.  
&quot;It&#039;s the Paper.... &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn, I think you&#8217;ve got it just right when you said,<br />
 &#8220;But for the most part, the only value of the newspaper is in it’s packaging &#8211; the PAPER part -&#8221; </p>
<p>Consider, that Bloomberg sells the terminal. Apple sells the iPod. MLB sells the t-shirts and the hats. WSJ sells the token, as in &#8220;people like us, subscribe to the WSJ&#8221; and besides it&#8217;s someone else&#8217;s money.</p>
<p>Nobody is selling the information. They make their money on the deliveriy device with a small transaction fee to cover costs for the information.</p>
<p>You probably remember, &#8220;It&#8217;s the economy, Stupid&#8221; from the first Clinton campaign.<br />
&#8220;It&#8217;s the Paper&#8230;. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/02/wsj-we-charge-why-arent-you/comment-page-1/#comment-8547</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Shawn -- you pretty much just described the problems the entire newspaper industry is having in a nutshell  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Shawn &#8212; you pretty much just described the problems the entire newspaper industry is having in a nutshell  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Petriw</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/02/wsj-we-charge-why-arent-you/comment-page-1/#comment-8544</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Petriw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry Steichen says &quot;...but if those articles aren’t significantly different from all the other news articles, having a monopoly is pretty worthless.&quot;

I agree. Lots of news that makes the page of my local (15,000) newspaper is nothing more than a press release re-write - be it an RCMP report, concert announcement, city council agenda, etc.

I can get that directly from the sources via RSS in most cases, and for those I don&#039;t, I SHOULD be able to, if more local community organizations (non-profits, etc) would simply set up a Wordpress site to blog and release formal news.

And then the rest of the paper is filled with wire copy.

The only thing left that is worth charging for, content wise, are the columns and opinion pieces.

But for the most part, the only value of the newspaper is in it&#039;s packaging - the PAPER part - and that is simply not valuable enough these days. In fact, it&#039;s a pain in the ass to deal with all the paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry Steichen says &#8220;&#8230;but if those articles aren’t significantly different from all the other news articles, having a monopoly is pretty worthless.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree. Lots of news that makes the page of my local (15,000) newspaper is nothing more than a press release re-write &#8211; be it an RCMP report, concert announcement, city council agenda, etc.</p>
<p>I can get that directly from the sources via RSS in most cases, and for those I don&#8217;t, I SHOULD be able to, if more local community organizations (non-profits, etc) would simply set up a WordPress site to blog and release formal news.</p>
<p>And then the rest of the paper is filled with wire copy.</p>
<p>The only thing left that is worth charging for, content wise, are the columns and opinion pieces.</p>
<p>But for the most part, the only value of the newspaper is in it&#8217;s packaging &#8211; the PAPER part &#8211; and that is simply not valuable enough these days. In fact, it&#8217;s a pain in the ass to deal with all the paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Bankruptcies: What kind of changes will they force on newspapers? &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab &#187; Pushing to the Future of Journalism</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/02/wsj-we-charge-why-arent-you/comment-page-1/#comment-8538</link>
		<dc:creator>Bankruptcies: What kind of changes will they force on newspapers? &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab &#187; Pushing to the Future of Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (they have no cash or appetite for this, either); (c) Pay-for-content on a subscription model (see Matt Ingram on this subject); (d) pay-for-content on a micropayment model.  (Micropayments can&#8217;t be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (they have no cash or appetite for this, either); (c) Pay-for-content on a subscription model (see Matt Ingram on this subject); (d) pay-for-content on a micropayment model.  (Micropayments can&#8217;t be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Steichen</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/02/wsj-we-charge-why-arent-you/comment-page-1/#comment-8536</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Steichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mathew, the only thing I&#039;d add is that, if and when you are really able to produce a differentiated product, you could consider that you have (for a time, anyway) a monopoly on that product.

Newspapers have a monopoly on their own news articles - but if those articles aren&#039;t significantly different from all the other news articles, having a monopoly is pretty worthless.

Having said all that, I don&#039;t disagree that there are enough differences between newspapers and the other cited examples, that drawing direct parallels is dicey, to say the least.

I just don&#039;t want us to go off the deep end on the other side, label the whole idea a &#039;pipe dream&#039; and conclude that we can&#039;t make a decent go of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mathew, the only thing I&#8217;d add is that, if and when you are really able to produce a differentiated product, you could consider that you have (for a time, anyway) a monopoly on that product.</p>
<p>Newspapers have a monopoly on their own news articles &#8211; but if those articles aren&#8217;t significantly different from all the other news articles, having a monopoly is pretty worthless.</p>
<p>Having said all that, I don&#8217;t disagree that there are enough differences between newspapers and the other cited examples, that drawing direct parallels is dicey, to say the least.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t want us to go off the deep end on the other side, label the whole idea a &#8216;pipe dream&#8217; and conclude that we can&#8217;t make a decent go of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/02/wsj-we-charge-why-arent-you/comment-page-1/#comment-8533</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry, I don&#039;t disagree at all.  In fact, I couldn&#039;t agree more.

I&#039;m not saying that newspapers can&#039;t create new revenue streams or add value to their content -- far from it.  I think that&#039;s exactly what newspapers need to do.

My point is simply that examples like Bloomberg and XboxLive and WestLaw, and even iTunes, aren&#039;t particularly helpful.  They all have monopolies or quasi-monopolies over content, and that&#039;s just not a realistic scenario for most newspapers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry, I don&#8217;t disagree at all.  In fact, I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that newspapers can&#8217;t create new revenue streams or add value to their content &#8212; far from it.  I think that&#8217;s exactly what newspapers need to do.</p>
<p>My point is simply that examples like Bloomberg and XboxLive and WestLaw, and even iTunes, aren&#8217;t particularly helpful.  They all have monopolies or quasi-monopolies over content, and that&#8217;s just not a realistic scenario for most newspapers.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Steichen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Steichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could not disagree more.  

What you&#039;re in effect saying is that there&#039;s no way for a newspaper to differentiate its news product from that of its competitors. You ask: how is a newspaper supposed to do that?  A couple of ideas.

Let&#039;s assume you are a newspaper and you have three additional (besides your news product) things: (a) a decent set of archives, (b) a decent set of themes and topics, and (c) a classification tool.  You simply classify all your archived articles.  

New product 1: You create a theme-based special report by selecting the most relevant articles (strongest association), and then to this you attach theme-based static materials (analyses, backgrounders, maps, statistics, etc.).  You provide an appropriate front end (search, menu, etc.) and it&#039;s there.

Enhanced product: Next, you classify each new article to determine which theme(s) it&#039;s relevant to, and create appropriate links to the special report(s).  Now your &quot;garden variety&quot; news report is definitely different (and more valuable) than those of competitors.

New product 2: You also analyze your market to determine if you have decent-sized audience niches that correspond to some of the themes, and if so, filter the new stories by those themes and offer them to those niches.  You can easily offer dozens of niche-specific channels (assuming reasonable coverage by your own reporting and your wire services).

That&#039;s not an exhaustive list either.  Granted, accomplishing this isn&#039;t falling-down easy.  But it&#039;s a far cry from being a pipe dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could not disagree more.  </p>
<p>What you&#8217;re in effect saying is that there&#8217;s no way for a newspaper to differentiate its news product from that of its competitors. You ask: how is a newspaper supposed to do that?  A couple of ideas.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s assume you are a newspaper and you have three additional (besides your news product) things: (a) a decent set of archives, (b) a decent set of themes and topics, and (c) a classification tool.  You simply classify all your archived articles.  </p>
<p>New product 1: You create a theme-based special report by selecting the most relevant articles (strongest association), and then to this you attach theme-based static materials (analyses, backgrounders, maps, statistics, etc.).  You provide an appropriate front end (search, menu, etc.) and it&#8217;s there.</p>
<p>Enhanced product: Next, you classify each new article to determine which theme(s) it&#8217;s relevant to, and create appropriate links to the special report(s).  Now your &#8220;garden variety&#8221; news report is definitely different (and more valuable) than those of competitors.</p>
<p>New product 2: You also analyze your market to determine if you have decent-sized audience niches that correspond to some of the themes, and if so, filter the new stories by those themes and offer them to those niches.  You can easily offer dozens of niche-specific channels (assuming reasonable coverage by your own reporting and your wire services).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not an exhaustive list either.  Granted, accomplishing this isn&#8217;t falling-down easy.  But it&#8217;s a far cry from being a pipe dream.</p>
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		<title>By: WSJ: We charge, so why don&#8217;t you?</title>
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		<dc:creator>WSJ: We charge, so why don&#8217;t you?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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