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	<title>Comments on: If they won&#8217;t pay for Facebook, they won&#8217;t pay for your city hall reporter</title>
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		<title>By: Online Strategies and Management &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OSAM – Week 5: Monetisation #1</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/if-they-wont-pay-for-facebook-they-wont-pay-for-your-city-hall-reporter/comment-page-1/#comment-154166</link>
		<dc:creator>Online Strategies and Management &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OSAM – Week 5: Monetisation #1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 15:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Facebook addicts aren&#8217;t even willing to pay for Facebook [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/if-they-wont-pay-for-facebook-they-wont-pay-for-your-city-hall-reporter/comment-page-1/#comment-46197</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken Carpenter:

You&#039;re argument is flawed. The fact that nobody would cancel their accounts when you told them to does not mean that they were liars. It means that they haven&#039;t been charged for facebook usage yet...

I don&#039;t think that any of you understand the point of facebook. Kids like it because the emphasis wasn&#039;t on adults, and payment was never a factor when it was created. It was a place where you could exist without your parents, without the economy, without trouble.

That iss why people left myspace, and that is where facebook is going now, and that is why it is having economic troubles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken Carpenter:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re argument is flawed. The fact that nobody would cancel their accounts when you told them to does not mean that they were liars. It means that they haven&#8217;t been charged for facebook usage yet&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that any of you understand the point of facebook. Kids like it because the emphasis wasn&#8217;t on adults, and payment was never a factor when it was created. It was a place where you could exist without your parents, without the economy, without trouble.</p>
<p>That iss why people left myspace, and that is where facebook is going now, and that is why it is having economic troubles.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/if-they-wont-pay-for-facebook-they-wont-pay-for-your-city-hall-reporter/comment-page-1/#comment-46190</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,
I think you&#039;re grossly mistaken in your assumptions. The reason that kids won&#039;t pay for facebook is because there ARE other alternatives. Why should we pay for something that was once free?

I believe it is patriotic of them to act as such. If you remember the times leading up to the revolution, taxes were being imposed on the colonists where there had been none before.

In this day and age of electronics, a 10 year old can make a website. I&#039;m a junior in college, majoring in Aerospace Engineering, and I guarantee you that I could make an alternative to facebook in a month. The source code is out there, its not that hard.

The push in IT is towards FREE. Google has an entire suite of free apps, open office and ubuntu are completely free. why shouldnt facebook be the same?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
I think you&#8217;re grossly mistaken in your assumptions. The reason that kids won&#8217;t pay for facebook is because there ARE other alternatives. Why should we pay for something that was once free?</p>
<p>I believe it is patriotic of them to act as such. If you remember the times leading up to the revolution, taxes were being imposed on the colonists where there had been none before.</p>
<p>In this day and age of electronics, a 10 year old can make a website. I&#8217;m a junior in college, majoring in Aerospace Engineering, and I guarantee you that I could make an alternative to facebook in a month. The source code is out there, its not that hard.</p>
<p>The push in IT is towards FREE. Google has an entire suite of free apps, open office and ubuntu are completely free. why shouldnt facebook be the same?</p>
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		<title>By: Scribbler</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/if-they-wont-pay-for-facebook-they-wont-pay-for-your-city-hall-reporter/comment-page-1/#comment-18784</link>
		<dc:creator>Scribbler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me you&#039;re all trying to analyse to death something that&#039;s very much alive and kicking, if the mix is right.

Look again at the last two kids&#039; comments on Benton&#039;s blog:

&quot;It&#039;s easier to find stuff on iTunes, and you get the album art.&quot;
— &quot;There was an EP from a band I liked that was only on iTunes.&quot;

So while they&#039;d sooner have it for free they&#039;ll pay if it&#039;s exclusive, or the best. 

It&#039;s always been that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me you&#8217;re all trying to analyse to death something that&#8217;s very much alive and kicking, if the mix is right.</p>
<p>Look again at the last two kids&#8217; comments on Benton&#8217;s blog:</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s easier to find stuff on iTunes, and you get the album art.&#8221;<br />
— &#8220;There was an EP from a band I liked that was only on iTunes.&#8221;</p>
<p>So while they&#8217;d sooner have it for free they&#8217;ll pay if it&#8217;s exclusive, or the best. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s always been that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Will it Ever be Possible to Charge for Online News? &#171; Kbracke&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/if-they-wont-pay-for-facebook-they-wont-pay-for-your-city-hall-reporter/comment-page-1/#comment-14423</link>
		<dc:creator>Will it Ever be Possible to Charge for Online News? &#171; Kbracke&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 02:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interesting article on Nieman Journalism Lab also highlights the fact that young people spend hours upon hours on social networking sites such as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Johnathon</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/if-they-wont-pay-for-facebook-they-wont-pay-for-your-city-hall-reporter/comment-page-1/#comment-14013</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnathon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 14:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the term everyone is hitting around, in regards to Facebook, is &quot;unnecessary convenience&quot;.  It is a convenient way of connecting with friends, but, with the many options available, it is totally unnecessary.  

Thus, it only exists because it is free and convenient.  But, because it is a totally unnecessary in making connections, and this generation understands that, it ceasing to exists or the equivalent via charging would not phase them one bit.  

And I use the term necessary because this generation has a very narrow definition of necessary.  This generation was raised to believe that to prevent the world from destroying itself, they would have to sacrifice a lot of things that older generations take for granted as necessities.  As they age into adults, they are living a lot more streamlined lives than older generations.  

Raised to work as teams, they don&#039;t see a necessity for privacy.  Raised with collective mentality, they don&#039;t see a necessity for getting their own place.  And, living with instant communication via numerous avenues, they don&#039;t see the necessity for paying for information.  Landlines are a thing of the past and TV is a dying breed, so, why should traditional newspapers have a hope. 

Not burdened with the older generations rigid concepts of what is necessary, and with the usual vitality of youth, they are much more flexible and adaptable.   Thus, they are very confident that they can either create it themselves via other avenues or survive without.  

Unnecessary convenience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the term everyone is hitting around, in regards to Facebook, is &#8220;unnecessary convenience&#8221;.  It is a convenient way of connecting with friends, but, with the many options available, it is totally unnecessary.  </p>
<p>Thus, it only exists because it is free and convenient.  But, because it is a totally unnecessary in making connections, and this generation understands that, it ceasing to exists or the equivalent via charging would not phase them one bit.  </p>
<p>And I use the term necessary because this generation has a very narrow definition of necessary.  This generation was raised to believe that to prevent the world from destroying itself, they would have to sacrifice a lot of things that older generations take for granted as necessities.  As they age into adults, they are living a lot more streamlined lives than older generations.  </p>
<p>Raised to work as teams, they don&#8217;t see a necessity for privacy.  Raised with collective mentality, they don&#8217;t see a necessity for getting their own place.  And, living with instant communication via numerous avenues, they don&#8217;t see the necessity for paying for information.  Landlines are a thing of the past and TV is a dying breed, so, why should traditional newspapers have a hope. </p>
<p>Not burdened with the older generations rigid concepts of what is necessary, and with the usual vitality of youth, they are much more flexible and adaptable.   Thus, they are very confident that they can either create it themselves via other avenues or survive without.  </p>
<p>Unnecessary convenience.</p>
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		<title>By: WDN</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/if-they-wont-pay-for-facebook-they-wont-pay-for-your-city-hall-reporter/comment-page-1/#comment-13153</link>
		<dc:creator>WDN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of people would go back to MySpace, although I think a charge of $10 - $20 per year wouldn&#039;t turn off a lot of people for advanced use.

We just wrote about this on our blog http://www.unionroom.com/blog/would-you-pay-to-use-facebook/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of people would go back to MySpace, although I think a charge of $10 &#8211; $20 per year wouldn&#8217;t turn off a lot of people for advanced use.</p>
<p>We just wrote about this on our blog <a href="http://www.unionroom.com/blog/would-you-pay-to-use-facebook/" rel="nofollow">http://www.unionroom.com/blog/would-you-pay-to-use-facebook/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/if-they-wont-pay-for-facebook-they-wont-pay-for-your-city-hall-reporter/comment-page-1/#comment-12695</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay, i offer one word - marketing. the right marketing campaign will make kids buy anything at any price...even facebook. but i agree, its not in facebook&#039;s interest to charge....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay, i offer one word &#8211; marketing. the right marketing campaign will make kids buy anything at any price&#8230;even facebook. but i agree, its not in facebook&#8217;s interest to charge&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: The kids won&#8217;t pay &#171; FTW Media</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/if-they-wont-pay-for-facebook-they-wont-pay-for-your-city-hall-reporter/comment-page-1/#comment-11891</link>
		<dc:creator>The kids won&#8217;t pay &#171; FTW Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] kids won&#8217;t&#160;pay  Here&#8217;s an interesting piece by Joshua Benton who discovered to his surprise that teens who practically live on Facebook, who [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Check In &#171; C.</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/if-they-wont-pay-for-facebook-they-wont-pay-for-your-city-hall-reporter/comment-page-1/#comment-10187</link>
		<dc:creator>Check In &#171; C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A furrow-brow kids-these-dayser post: &#8220;If they won&#8217;t pay for Facebook, they won&#8217;t pay for a City Hall reporter.&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/if-they-wont-pay-for-facebook-they-wont-pay-for-your-city-hall-reporter/comment-page-1/#comment-10182</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;ve missed the point here a few times:

I&#039;m 33 and have used facebook since 2005 (I went back to college then).  It was free and was a great tool for communicating with my fellow classmates (it was only college students using it then I believe).  Over the last year or two, there has been an explosion in the number of people using FB, and it is still free.  It&#039;s been great getting to talk to old friends I haven&#039;t talked to since graduating high school in 94.  But if FB were to charge, I wouldn&#039;t pay.  

Imagine for a minute that you were to eat at a restaurant every day for 4 years free of charge.  Then one day you walk in and have to pay.  Well, for me, I wouldn&#039;t pay because I could just go buy the food myself and cook it.  I rarely ever go out to eat because I can cook better and healthier than most restaurants...and the ones that do cook better than me are way too expensive for me to spend on a regular basis.  

Even though people do pay to go out to eat, there is something about suddenly not being able to eat for free at this one place that has ALWAYS been free.  I know people who don&#039;t eat in a restaurant when they raise prices...simply because they were keeping up with inflation!  So suddenly charging for something that was previously free is a tough hurdle to get over.

Not to mention that with FB, if they started charging there would be other sites that would start (not to mention current sites that are still free) that people would go to.  Many of my friends belong to other sites already as well.

Also bear in mind that long before FB came along, there was classmates.com.  Sure you can join for free, but in order to send and receive messages you have to pay for a membership...or the other person does....at least one person must pay.  A lot of people have registered on there for free, but they did not bother to pay for a membership because they don&#039;t see the point.  Why pay to talk to people you haven&#039;t seen in 15 years...you still talk to you good friends and those others just fade away (as has been tradition for years as people grow and move).  

Now, take a look at music.  Sure, most people have illegally downloaded a free song or two.  Some have illegaly downloaded TONS of free songs.  And there are a very small minority of people who illegally download and NEVER pay for music.  Most people don&#039;t have a problem paying for digital downloads or buying CDs.  Why?  Because there has always been a cost to buying CDs...and some people like buying digital music because you can pay $1 for that one song you want instead of $20 for a whole CD that you aren&#039;t going to enjoy.    What about those that never pay?  Well there are thieves that never pay for food or clothing.  There will always be someone who steals.  

The point I&#039;m trying to make is that people don&#039;t want to pay for something that was previously free.  If there had always been a cost to use it, then people would be more willing to pay.  But not when you add a cost to it.

Look at email as well.  I have a few yahoo accounts...one is my personal email.  Another is one I use when I sign up for anything so it gets the spam.  Another is one I use while job hunting.  I have three because they are free.  If Yahoo were to start charging, I would simply use the email provided by my ISP or my college.  I wouldn&#039;t pay for an additional email and I&#039;d just deal with the spam like everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;ve missed the point here a few times:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 33 and have used facebook since 2005 (I went back to college then).  It was free and was a great tool for communicating with my fellow classmates (it was only college students using it then I believe).  Over the last year or two, there has been an explosion in the number of people using FB, and it is still free.  It&#8217;s been great getting to talk to old friends I haven&#8217;t talked to since graduating high school in 94.  But if FB were to charge, I wouldn&#8217;t pay.  </p>
<p>Imagine for a minute that you were to eat at a restaurant every day for 4 years free of charge.  Then one day you walk in and have to pay.  Well, for me, I wouldn&#8217;t pay because I could just go buy the food myself and cook it.  I rarely ever go out to eat because I can cook better and healthier than most restaurants&#8230;and the ones that do cook better than me are way too expensive for me to spend on a regular basis.  </p>
<p>Even though people do pay to go out to eat, there is something about suddenly not being able to eat for free at this one place that has ALWAYS been free.  I know people who don&#8217;t eat in a restaurant when they raise prices&#8230;simply because they were keeping up with inflation!  So suddenly charging for something that was previously free is a tough hurdle to get over.</p>
<p>Not to mention that with FB, if they started charging there would be other sites that would start (not to mention current sites that are still free) that people would go to.  Many of my friends belong to other sites already as well.</p>
<p>Also bear in mind that long before FB came along, there was classmates.com.  Sure you can join for free, but in order to send and receive messages you have to pay for a membership&#8230;or the other person does&#8230;.at least one person must pay.  A lot of people have registered on there for free, but they did not bother to pay for a membership because they don&#8217;t see the point.  Why pay to talk to people you haven&#8217;t seen in 15 years&#8230;you still talk to you good friends and those others just fade away (as has been tradition for years as people grow and move).  </p>
<p>Now, take a look at music.  Sure, most people have illegally downloaded a free song or two.  Some have illegaly downloaded TONS of free songs.  And there are a very small minority of people who illegally download and NEVER pay for music.  Most people don&#8217;t have a problem paying for digital downloads or buying CDs.  Why?  Because there has always been a cost to buying CDs&#8230;and some people like buying digital music because you can pay $1 for that one song you want instead of $20 for a whole CD that you aren&#8217;t going to enjoy.    What about those that never pay?  Well there are thieves that never pay for food or clothing.  There will always be someone who steals.  </p>
<p>The point I&#8217;m trying to make is that people don&#8217;t want to pay for something that was previously free.  If there had always been a cost to use it, then people would be more willing to pay.  But not when you add a cost to it.</p>
<p>Look at email as well.  I have a few yahoo accounts&#8230;one is my personal email.  Another is one I use when I sign up for anything so it gets the spam.  Another is one I use while job hunting.  I have three because they are free.  If Yahoo were to start charging, I would simply use the email provided by my ISP or my college.  I wouldn&#8217;t pay for an additional email and I&#8217;d just deal with the spam like everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Hollis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Hollis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion. I raised the same issue on my blog but used a different price point - $10-20 a year - and got a less one sided response. A follow-up survey suggested that there is a minority of people who would be willing to pay for access to Facebook if it was ad free. (Post with results can be found here: http://www.mb-blog.com/index.php/2009/03/09/help-facebook-find-the-money/ ) As Ken Carpenter suggests we have to be careful taking people&#039;s comments at face value, the more friends you have on Facebook the greater the barrier to exit. Not all of them are going to follow if you jump ship for thelatestsocialnetwork.com and few people will take that into account when answering the question about payment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion. I raised the same issue on my blog but used a different price point &#8211; $10-20 a year &#8211; and got a less one sided response. A follow-up survey suggested that there is a minority of people who would be willing to pay for access to Facebook if it was ad free. (Post with results can be found here: <a href="http://www.mb-blog.com/index.php/2009/03/09/help-facebook-find-the-money/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mb-blog.com/index.php/2009/03/09/help-facebook-find-the-money/</a> ) As Ken Carpenter suggests we have to be careful taking people&#8217;s comments at face value, the more friends you have on Facebook the greater the barrier to exit. Not all of them are going to follow if you jump ship for thelatestsocialnetwork.com and few people will take that into account when answering the question about payment.</p>
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		<title>By: Cool Links #27: Busy Week Edition &#171; TEACH J: For Teachers of Journalism And Media</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/if-they-wont-pay-for-facebook-they-wont-pay-for-your-city-hall-reporter/comment-page-1/#comment-10057</link>
		<dc:creator>Cool Links #27: Busy Week Edition &#171; TEACH J: For Teachers of Journalism And Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 19) I thought this was an interesting article about charging for journalism online, from the Neiman Journalism Lab called If They Won&#8217;t Pay For Facebook&#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: If you&#8217;re still thinking about charging for online news in 2009, you&#8217;re dead already (a primer) &#124; Online Journalism Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>If you&#8217;re still thinking about charging for online news in 2009, you&#8217;re dead already (a primer) &#124; Online Journalism Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If they won’t pay for Facebook, they won’t pay for your city hall reporter: &#8220;these kids have complete faith in the availability of a substitute good — that is, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kachingle: de laatste strohalm voor kranten ?&#187; RethinkingMedia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kachingle: de laatste strohalm voor kranten ?&#187; RethinkingMedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] een uur tot anderhalf uur per dag op Facebook, maar geld hebben ze er niet voor over, blijkt uit recent onderzoek.&#160; Toch wordt voor een dienst als iTunes wél betaald en goed ook (al is dat&#160; vaak met de [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] een uur tot anderhalf uur per dag op Facebook, maar geld hebben ze er niet voor over, blijkt uit recent onderzoek.&nbsp; Toch wordt voor een dienst als iTunes wél betaald en goed ook (al is dat&nbsp; vaak met de [...]</p>
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		<title>By: April</title>
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		<dc:creator>April</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are totally off on this. I&#039;m an adult and I won&#039;t pay for Facebook either. You are correct when you say something else will come along that is free. Yes. And I do acknowledge that kids today are a different generation. They believe in different things and see the world entirely different than we do. They are willing to chance alot of things and tend to jump to things rather than settle down and stick to something. However, facebook is about relationships more than anything. The games are okay but this is just a different way that young people can connect. Just because they aren&#039;t willing to pay for something like Facebook, doesn&#039;t mean they won&#039;t pay for something as important as what you mention here. Asking them the right questions would net you better results than doing what I suspect happened here. They are young people and they connect. They will do it either at the mall, on the streets, schools, etc but they WILL do it. What you are discussing is totally different. Apples and oranges. There is alot of blind judgment going on from the perspective that young people talk alot different now. Their definitions of things are totally different than the older generations&#039;. They don&#039;t mean the same thing anymore. This article sounds a bit biased and not unbiased which it should be. But I suspect it was to just lend credence to your ideals or agenda rather than getting down to the true core of what Facebook is to the members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are totally off on this. I&#8217;m an adult and I won&#8217;t pay for Facebook either. You are correct when you say something else will come along that is free. Yes. And I do acknowledge that kids today are a different generation. They believe in different things and see the world entirely different than we do. They are willing to chance alot of things and tend to jump to things rather than settle down and stick to something. However, facebook is about relationships more than anything. The games are okay but this is just a different way that young people can connect. Just because they aren&#8217;t willing to pay for something like Facebook, doesn&#8217;t mean they won&#8217;t pay for something as important as what you mention here. Asking them the right questions would net you better results than doing what I suspect happened here. They are young people and they connect. They will do it either at the mall, on the streets, schools, etc but they WILL do it. What you are discussing is totally different. Apples and oranges. There is alot of blind judgment going on from the perspective that young people talk alot different now. Their definitions of things are totally different than the older generations&#8217;. They don&#8217;t mean the same thing anymore. This article sounds a bit biased and not unbiased which it should be. But I suspect it was to just lend credence to your ideals or agenda rather than getting down to the true core of what Facebook is to the members.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Sorensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Sorensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading this post started a very interesting conversation with my children. I asked them the same question: Would you continue using Facebook if you had to pay monthly? I got back the same answer: Nope. They (just like the Toledo students) thought that if that were to happen some other Internet startup would jump in to fill the [free] space. For a generation the Internet is completely synonymous with FREE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading this post started a very interesting conversation with my children. I asked them the same question: Would you continue using Facebook if you had to pay monthly? I got back the same answer: Nope. They (just like the Toledo students) thought that if that were to happen some other Internet startup would jump in to fill the [free] space. For a generation the Internet is completely synonymous with FREE.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8216;Het wordt nooit wat met micropayments&#8217; &#171; De nieuwe reporter</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8216;Het wordt nooit wat met micropayments&#8217; &#171; De nieuwe reporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] krant, is dat misschien even wennen. Maar voor tieners is het de gewoonste zaak van de wereld, zo ontdekte Joshua Benton van The Nieman Journalism Lab die vorige week een bezoek aan een school bracht. De [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] krant, is dat misschien even wennen. Maar voor tieners is het de gewoonste zaak van de wereld, zo ontdekte Joshua Benton van The Nieman Journalism Lab die vorige week een bezoek aan een school bracht. De [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Barnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, let&#039;s say that Facebook starts to charge a measly $10 USD per annum to be a member.
Let&#039;s assume that many &quot;members&quot; will pay the money.

Then, let&#039;s assume that 6 clever Indians figure that they can duplicate Facebook and make a good living from the adverts.

Overnight, with the speed of light, Facebook members will move to the new site. No one cares who created it. No one cares where it is hosted. Free is better than paying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, let&#8217;s say that Facebook starts to charge a measly $10 USD per annum to be a member.<br />
Let&#8217;s assume that many &#8220;members&#8221; will pay the money.</p>
<p>Then, let&#8217;s assume that 6 clever Indians figure that they can duplicate Facebook and make a good living from the adverts.</p>
<p>Overnight, with the speed of light, Facebook members will move to the new site. No one cares who created it. No one cares where it is hosted. Free is better than paying.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sergio - long time, no jabber.



You&#039;re onto something. With the right six people, you can raise a considerable amount of hell. I can&#039;t prove it, but I suspect you could even cover your expenses with sponsorship ads (without resorting to the PBS/NPR-style beg-a-thon twice a year). I&#039;d humbly suggest ditching the editors. Treat it like my first small daily: edit each other, everybody writes.

That gets at the real frustration of the paid-content debate, however: The argument that we must save &lt;i&gt;newspapers&lt;/i&gt; - complete with their existing organizational structures, which were driven by print production cycles and monopoly economics. (You might recall certain deputy managing editors in charge of lunch and rearranging furniture at that Former Shop of Ours.)

Happy to bust hump to save journalism. To save news&lt;i&gt;papers&lt;/i&gt;? Not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergio &#8211; long time, no jabber.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re onto something. With the right six people, you can raise a considerable amount of hell. I can&#8217;t prove it, but I suspect you could even cover your expenses with sponsorship ads (without resorting to the PBS/NPR-style beg-a-thon twice a year). I&#8217;d humbly suggest ditching the editors. Treat it like my first small daily: edit each other, everybody writes.</p>
<p>That gets at the real frustration of the paid-content debate, however: The argument that we must save <i>newspapers</i> &#8211; complete with their existing organizational structures, which were driven by print production cycles and monopoly economics. (You might recall certain deputy managing editors in charge of lunch and rearranging furniture at that Former Shop of Ours.)</p>
<p>Happy to bust hump to save journalism. To save news<i>papers</i>? Not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Benton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Benton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean, and that&#039;s why I&#039;m worried -- because I don&#039;t think the universe of potential freebie alternatives isn&#039;t &quot;other quality journalism about my community,&quot; or even &quot;low-quality journalism about my community.&quot; I think for a lot of people it&#039;s &quot;something marginally interesting to fill 10 minutes a day.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean, and that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m worried &#8212; because I don&#8217;t think the universe of potential freebie alternatives isn&#8217;t &#8220;other quality journalism about my community,&#8221; or even &#8220;low-quality journalism about my community.&#8221; I think for a lot of people it&#8217;s &#8220;something marginally interesting to fill 10 minutes a day.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morph Carpenter&#039;s remarks with Benton&#039;s and you&#039;re about right: people WILL pay for service, but only if there&#039;s no suitable freeby alternative.
And that&#039;s where traditional news is screwed. As long as a few outlets continue to give it away, the rest have to follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morph Carpenter&#8217;s remarks with Benton&#8217;s and you&#8217;re about right: people WILL pay for service, but only if there&#8217;s no suitable freeby alternative.<br />
And that&#8217;s where traditional news is screwed. As long as a few outlets continue to give it away, the rest have to follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey McManus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey McManus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt; I’d be interesting in knowing if some of these students would be willing to pay for premium features

They do that today. It&#039;s called digital gifts. A venture firm estimates that this is a 35 million dollar annual business for Facebook -- more than 10% of the company&#039;s current revenue.

http://lsvp.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/facebook-selling-digital-gifts-at-a-35m-run-rate/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; I’d be interesting in knowing if some of these students would be willing to pay for premium features</p>
<p>They do that today. It&#8217;s called digital gifts. A venture firm estimates that this is a 35 million dollar annual business for Facebook &#8212; more than 10% of the company&#8217;s current revenue.</p>
<p><a href="http://lsvp.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/facebook-selling-digital-gifts-at-a-35m-run-rate/" rel="nofollow">http://lsvp.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/facebook-selling-digital-gifts-at-a-35m-run-rate/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ken Carpenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I asked my Mass Comm 101 class at Valencia Community College a slightly different question -- &quot;How much would you be willing to pay, per year, to keep your Facebook or Myspace account?&quot;

The majority answer was zero, but some students said they&#039;d paid $10 or $15 a year. One said she&#039;d pay $60. I said I&#039;d pay a dime a day -- $36.50.

Then I challenged those who said zero. &quot;You&#039;re all liars,&quot; I said, &quot;because most of you would not cancel your account if they charged a small fee. If you would, go on there right now and cancel it.&quot;

No one was willing to cancel. &quot;So now you&#039;re telling me the account has some value.&quot;

If Facebook has 175 million members, and it institutes a $10 annual fee, that would be $1.75 billion. Of course, they would not retain 100 percent of its membership. But if 75 million cancelled, they&#039;d still take in $1 billion in revenue -- without lifting a finger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked my Mass Comm 101 class at Valencia Community College a slightly different question &#8212; &#8220;How much would you be willing to pay, per year, to keep your Facebook or Myspace account?&#8221;</p>
<p>The majority answer was zero, but some students said they&#8217;d paid $10 or $15 a year. One said she&#8217;d pay $60. I said I&#8217;d pay a dime a day &#8212; $36.50.</p>
<p>Then I challenged those who said zero. &#8220;You&#8217;re all liars,&#8221; I said, &#8220;because most of you would not cancel your account if they charged a small fee. If you would, go on there right now and cancel it.&#8221;</p>
<p>No one was willing to cancel. &#8220;So now you&#8217;re telling me the account has some value.&#8221;</p>
<p>If Facebook has 175 million members, and it institutes a $10 annual fee, that would be $1.75 billion. Of course, they would not retain 100 percent of its membership. But if 75 million cancelled, they&#8217;d still take in $1 billion in revenue &#8212; without lifting a finger.</p>
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		<title>By: Kto zapłaci za newsy? Ja! Pan! I Pani też! &#171; Brzytwą po oczach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kto zapłaci za newsy? Ja! Pan! I Pani też! &#171; Brzytwą po oczach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pani&#160;też!  Dzięki blogowi Brutto Marcina Jagodzińskiego trafiłem na ciekawy wpis na blogu NormanJournalismLab z Uniwersytetu Harvarda, gdzie autor Joshua Benton stawia tezę, że skoro użytkownicy nie zechcą płacić za usługi [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Pani&nbsp;też!  Dzięki blogowi Brutto Marcina Jagodzińskiego trafiłem na ciekawy wpis na blogu NormanJournalismLab z Uniwersytetu Harvarda, gdzie autor Joshua Benton stawia tezę, że skoro użytkownicy nie zechcą płacić za usługi [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sergio Bustos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio Bustos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua:
I suppose it&#039;s not surprising.
I think the best newspaper model for the Web might be some kind of PBS-like sponsorship model.
Perhaps establishing a non-profit organization and then finding an advertiser/sponsor willing to support your journalism venture in exchange for appearing on every page of your site.
But the problem is that you cannot possibly have the kind of current staffing now available at most newspapers. Yes, even in these turbulent times, newspapers have lots of staff producing a print and online product. That, of course, is rapidling changing. 
The model I&#039;m suggesting has to be small. I&#039;m saying a staff of say five or six reporters, a pair of editors, a web person (programmer). And the web site has to be focused on a clear subject like government, crime or schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua:<br />
I suppose it&#8217;s not surprising.<br />
I think the best newspaper model for the Web might be some kind of PBS-like sponsorship model.<br />
Perhaps establishing a non-profit organization and then finding an advertiser/sponsor willing to support your journalism venture in exchange for appearing on every page of your site.<br />
But the problem is that you cannot possibly have the kind of current staffing now available at most newspapers. Yes, even in these turbulent times, newspapers have lots of staff producing a print and online product. That, of course, is rapidling changing.<br />
The model I&#8217;m suggesting has to be small. I&#8217;m saying a staff of say five or six reporters, a pair of editors, a web person (programmer). And the web site has to be focused on a clear subject like government, crime or schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Informal survey: Teens won&#8217;t pay for Facebook; they certainly won&#8217;t pay for news &#171; Journalese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Informal survey: Teens won&#8217;t pay for Facebook; they certainly won&#8217;t pay for news &#171; Journalese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 9, 2009 by jimmiller    An informal study of focus groups finds that teens — while admittedly addicted to Facebook — would not pay for the social [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Is journalism screwed if kids won&#8217;t even pay for Facebook? &#171; Freelance Unbound</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/if-they-wont-pay-for-facebook-they-wont-pay-for-your-city-hall-reporter/comment-page-1/#comment-9514</link>
		<dc:creator>Is journalism screwed if kids won&#8217;t even pay for Facebook? &#171; Freelance Unbound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] won&#8217;t even pay for&#160;Facebook?  Jump to Comments  Joshua Benton at the NiemanJournalismLab believes journalism is, effectively, screwed because no one these days will pay for anything online, especially the young who have grown up with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] won&#8217;t even pay for&nbsp;Facebook?  Jump to Comments  Joshua Benton at the NiemanJournalismLab believes journalism is, effectively, screwed because no one these days will pay for anything online, especially the young who have grown up with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Thornton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse my poor English in the last post.

I believe Facebook is weighing different ways to make money besides advertising. In fact, Facebook is still hammering out what kind of social network it ultimately wants to be. But I wouldn&#039;t compare a startup culture to that of an established business. Many Web startups resist trying to seriously monetize their work for years, because first they want to build as big of an audience as possible.

You have to keep in mind that Facebook suffers if there is a barrier to entry for those creating content -- the users. Whereas newspapers are the opposite. 

But I believe that premium content/features are the best way to make money off the Web beyond advertising. Newspapers should figure out what people are willing to pay for, rather than trying to force people to pay for content that they clearly don&#039;t value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse my poor English in the last post.</p>
<p>I believe Facebook is weighing different ways to make money besides advertising. In fact, Facebook is still hammering out what kind of social network it ultimately wants to be. But I wouldn&#8217;t compare a startup culture to that of an established business. Many Web startups resist trying to seriously monetize their work for years, because first they want to build as big of an audience as possible.</p>
<p>You have to keep in mind that Facebook suffers if there is a barrier to entry for those creating content &#8212; the users. Whereas newspapers are the opposite. </p>
<p>But I believe that premium content/features are the best way to make money off the Web beyond advertising. Newspapers should figure out what people are willing to pay for, rather than trying to force people to pay for content that they clearly don&#8217;t value.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Thornton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$10 a month is a cubic crapload of money. There are not many things I&#039;d be willing to spend $120 a year on. But how about $10 a year?

But charging for basic content doesn&#039;t work on the Web.

Rather, I&#039;d be interesting in knowing if some of these students would be willing to pay for premium features. Facebook rivals Flickr for the amount of photos on it. Yet, Flickr has a premium account they make money off of, while Facebook does not. This is clearly and area where Facebook could make money.

Why not charge for the ability to store more photos (say over 500 or something along those lines). Or how about charge for the ability to store full-resolution photos. This would make Facebook into a defacto online backup solution for photos. I would also aggressively pursue a way to sell photos, photo albums, etc on Facebook.

There is money to be made off of Facebook. But if you think charging for the basic service makes sense, you&#039;re crazy. That&#039;s not how you make money off the Web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$10 a month is a cubic crapload of money. There are not many things I&#8217;d be willing to spend $120 a year on. But how about $10 a year?</p>
<p>But charging for basic content doesn&#8217;t work on the Web.</p>
<p>Rather, I&#8217;d be interesting in knowing if some of these students would be willing to pay for premium features. Facebook rivals Flickr for the amount of photos on it. Yet, Flickr has a premium account they make money off of, while Facebook does not. This is clearly and area where Facebook could make money.</p>
<p>Why not charge for the ability to store more photos (say over 500 or something along those lines). Or how about charge for the ability to store full-resolution photos. This would make Facebook into a defacto online backup solution for photos. I would also aggressively pursue a way to sell photos, photo albums, etc on Facebook.</p>
<p>There is money to be made off of Facebook. But if you think charging for the basic service makes sense, you&#8217;re crazy. That&#8217;s not how you make money off the Web.</p>
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