Comments on: Thinking the thinkable: Dan Conover’s vision for the future of journalism http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/thinking-the-thinkable-dan-conovers-vision-for-the-future-of-journalism/ Just another WordPress weblog Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:17:06 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Rosen’s Flying Seminar In The Future of News « Research http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/thinking-the-thinkable-dan-conovers-vision-for-the-future-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-11641 Rosen’s Flying Seminar In The Future of News « Research Sat, 04 Apr 2009 21:06:47 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=3429#comment-11641 [...] to one man, who knows it from the inside but thinks it from the outside. His post is starting to pick up traction with future-of-news people, as they realize how valuable his watch list [...]

[...] to one man, who knows it from the inside but thinks it from the outside. His post is starting to pick up traction with future-of-news people, as they realize how valuable his watch list [...]

]]> By: Os jornais e o imaginável : Ponto Media http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/thinking-the-thinkable-dan-conovers-vision-for-the-future-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-10600 Os jornais e o imaginável : Ponto Media Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:07:06 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=3429#comment-10600 [...] DO texto de Clay Shirky, já há uma resposta de Dan Conover: Thinking the thinkable. ACTUALIZAÇÃO: Ver também o link muito bem sugerido pelo Hugo Jorge - 2020 vision: What’s [...]

[...] DO texto de Clay Shirky, já há uma resposta de Dan Conover: Thinking the thinkable. ACTUALIZAÇÃO: Ver também o link muito bem sugerido pelo Hugo Jorge – 2020 vision: What’s [...]

]]> By: MichaelJ http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/thinking-the-thinkable-dan-conovers-vision-for-the-future-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-10588 MichaelJ Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:29:21 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=3429#comment-10588 @ Terry, I think that automated links between stories have a role to play. But to solve the problem of just the right collection of stories at just the right time, human editors and accessible "crowd sourcing" will be needed. The problem is that the world moves too fast and unpredictably to be captured by an algorithm. I just came across an Open Source Wiki to PDF, ODF, and DocBook(XML). Pediapress.com, based in Germany, has combined the tech with a print-on-demand service that I think is looking at closely. You can download the source code at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection @ Terry,
I think that automated links between stories have a role to play. But to solve the problem of just the right collection of stories at just the right time, human editors and accessible “crowd sourcing” will be needed. The problem is that the world moves too fast and unpredictably to be captured by an algorithm.

I just came across an Open Source Wiki to PDF, ODF, and DocBook(XML). Pediapress.com, based in Germany, has combined the tech with a print-on-demand service that I think is looking at closely.

You can download the source code at
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection

]]> By: Uutismedian romahdus ja tulevaisuus by Dan Conover http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/thinking-the-thinkable-dan-conovers-vision-for-the-future-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-10483 Uutismedian romahdus ja tulevaisuus by Dan Conover Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:20:40 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=3429#comment-10483 [...] selitettynä - tullaan vielä palaamaan 2020 vision: What’s next for news (via niemanlab.org): The next decade will see great diversity in terms of media funding, mission and identity. Ask not [...]

[...] selitettynä – tullaan vielä palaamaan 2020 vision: What’s next for news (via niemanlab.org): The next decade will see great diversity in terms of media funding, mission and identity. Ask not [...]

]]> By: Terry Steichen http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/thinking-the-thinkable-dan-conovers-vision-for-the-future-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-10477 Terry Steichen Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:17:03 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=3429#comment-10477 I agree with the point that "[s]ites that develop intelligent ways of curating old information could play a big role in the presentation of breaking news information." Put another way, adding context to current news can significantly increase the value and uniqueness of that news product. However, I suggest that this objective (adding context), and that of encouraging more reader participation, while both laudable, are quite different. The latter benefits from wiki functionality, while the former doesn't really need it. In suggesting "intelligent ways of curating old information" and integrating it with the current news, I think what you're suggesting is that the beat reporter can develop themes of his/her own, which makes sense for a beat reporter. But what about new themes that have just become evident but which, in hindsight, have been with us for a while? What about old themes that need to be changed? How to incorporate relevant stories produced by other reporters, or even reporters for other publications? Bottom line: I very much agree that being able to routinely identify, organize and integrate historical information with current news is something that is well worthwhile. However, I don't think that wiki technology per se is relevant or necessary to accomplishing that particular task. There's nothing wrong with employing wikis, but we shouldn't expect magic from them. I agree with the point that “[s]ites that develop intelligent ways of curating old information could play a big role in the presentation of breaking news information.” Put another way, adding context to current news can significantly increase the value and uniqueness of that news product.

However, I suggest that this objective (adding context), and that of encouraging more reader participation, while both laudable, are quite different. The latter benefits from wiki functionality, while the former doesn’t really need it.

In suggesting “intelligent ways of curating old information” and integrating it with the current news, I think what you’re suggesting is that the beat reporter can develop themes of his/her own, which makes sense for a beat reporter. But what about new themes that have just become evident but which, in hindsight, have been with us for a while? What about old themes that need to be changed? How to incorporate relevant stories produced by other reporters, or even reporters for other publications?

Bottom line: I very much agree that being able to routinely identify, organize and integrate historical information with current news is something that is well worthwhile. However, I don’t think that wiki technology per se is relevant or necessary to accomplishing that particular task. There’s nothing wrong with employing wikis, but we shouldn’t expect magic from them.

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