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		<title>By: Digital Publication</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/why-wont-news-sites-link/comment-page-1/#comment-11958</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital Publication</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 09:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike Bazelewick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Bazelewick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newspaper websites have the power to be the largest internet portals on the planet ... they just haven&#039;t figured it out. Direct linking to articles, updates, additional photos, late scores etc. can be real simple with &quot;keyord&quot; links that appear in print and are typed at the newspapers homepage. Typically the print edition tags a story, for more information visit our website.com. Right, I&#039;ll jump on it and spend 20 minutes searching ... where a keyword typed on the newspaper homepage spawns the webpage asssociated with offline content. Providing a print keyword to a utube video ... that is entered at the newspapers homepage, makes too much sense. Yet the smart editors have been told by even smarter and older IT types, that it&#039;s not good to link away from our website. Crap man, the only reason they came to the newspaper homepage was to enter a keyword link ... think it might even enhance the reader experience?  Newspapers will continue to die unless they come up with a meaningful convergence strategy. Why not keyword links to movie trqailers in the entertainment section ... or keywords to television trailers or past episodes ... the possibilities are only limited by imagination ... and sadly haven&#039;t seen much of that from the print brigade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newspaper websites have the power to be the largest internet portals on the planet &#8230; they just haven&#8217;t figured it out. Direct linking to articles, updates, additional photos, late scores etc. can be real simple with &#8220;keyord&#8221; links that appear in print and are typed at the newspapers homepage. Typically the print edition tags a story, for more information visit our website.com. Right, I&#8217;ll jump on it and spend 20 minutes searching &#8230; where a keyword typed on the newspaper homepage spawns the webpage asssociated with offline content. Providing a print keyword to a utube video &#8230; that is entered at the newspapers homepage, makes too much sense. Yet the smart editors have been told by even smarter and older IT types, that it&#8217;s not good to link away from our website. Crap man, the only reason they came to the newspaper homepage was to enter a keyword link &#8230; think it might even enhance the reader experience?  Newspapers will continue to die unless they come up with a meaningful convergence strategy. Why not keyword links to movie trqailers in the entertainment section &#8230; or keywords to television trailers or past episodes &#8230; the possibilities are only limited by imagination &#8230; and sadly haven&#8217;t seen much of that from the print brigade.</p>
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		<title>By: TMS</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/why-wont-news-sites-link/comment-page-1/#comment-10828</link>
		<dc:creator>TMS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that back-end systems play a roll some of the time, but that doesn’t mean it is excusable. Certainly there are systems out there capable of adding links when publishing offline content to your online system. (I apologize, but my knowledge does not go this far.) However, I think the problem is ideological rather than technical at heart. It is encouraging to hear the NY Times turning around, but as I cited today, E&amp;P doesn’t even link to the E&amp;P blog when trying to promote it on its own website. Instead, it has just pasted the full URL. You’d think this would be pretty simple stuff…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that back-end systems play a roll some of the time, but that doesn’t mean it is excusable. Certainly there are systems out there capable of adding links when publishing offline content to your online system. (I apologize, but my knowledge does not go this far.) However, I think the problem is ideological rather than technical at heart. It is encouraging to hear the NY Times turning around, but as I cited today, E&amp;P doesn’t even link to the E&amp;P blog when trying to promote it on its own website. Instead, it has just pasted the full URL. You’d think this would be pretty simple stuff…</p>
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		<title>By: External links: the 8 stages of linking out denial &#124; Online Journalism Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>External links: the 8 stages of linking out denial &#124; Online Journalism Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: External links: the 8 stages of linking-out denial &#187; malcolm coles</title>
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		<dc:creator>External links: the 8 stages of linking-out denial &#187; malcolm coles</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Newspaper sites start to scrap &#8216;no inbound links&#8217; policies &#124; Online Journalism Blog</title>
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		<title>By: John S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, we have. 

By the way, to unmask, I recently was dropped without goodbyes after eight years as a contract reporter with The Washington Post. I am deeply passionate about the news industry on both a political and personal level. I believe it ranks as critical in the hierarchy of pillars of a free society. If I can contribute to the conversation for its betterment, that makes me happy. You have a wonderful forum. I think I would have needed to wear sharper clothing to get the opportunity to pitch in ideas at some of the places I have worked. I am deeply disappointed in the major newspaper organizations of this country because, although blindsided by the rise of the Internet, they squandered their greatest assets -- massed content and institutional knowledge -- and all too willingly commited suicide. It didn&#039;t help that there was a gleeful, concerted effort on the Right, beginning with Gingrich and continuing on to the loudmouth of Limbaugh and others, to bury the industry under an avalanche of accusation for being the tool of liberals. The polarization of the populace in this country did newspapers no favor, but their corporate, bottom-line abdication of responsibility to cover the damn news -- developing pathetic, snarky blogs while pulling the statehouse and zoning meeting reporter -- sealed their fate. I hope from the ashes rises something with teeth that resumes the watchdog role. It&#039;s saddening to watch Jon Stewart being held up as the beacon of speaking truth to power. There is a strong drive under way to disperse the coverage of our world to citizen journalists and niche bloggers, where everyone has a say. &quot;Here comes everybody,&quot; though, is my worst nightmare because the layers of vetting, the experienced editing, the institutional knowledge and strength will be missing because we will have broken off into tribes of self-interest rather than pushing with the strength of community for leaders across both political and business spectrums to feel compelled to answer to the people. That community strength was represented in and by newspapers and now it is all but gone. Sure, there are plenty of commentators out there, but the hard work of investigative journalism has lost its champions. It&#039;s a helluva good time to be a crook in America. 
Thanks for the dialogue
-- John Scheinman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, we have. </p>
<p>By the way, to unmask, I recently was dropped without goodbyes after eight years as a contract reporter with The Washington Post. I am deeply passionate about the news industry on both a political and personal level. I believe it ranks as critical in the hierarchy of pillars of a free society. If I can contribute to the conversation for its betterment, that makes me happy. You have a wonderful forum. I think I would have needed to wear sharper clothing to get the opportunity to pitch in ideas at some of the places I have worked. I am deeply disappointed in the major newspaper organizations of this country because, although blindsided by the rise of the Internet, they squandered their greatest assets &#8212; massed content and institutional knowledge &#8212; and all too willingly commited suicide. It didn&#8217;t help that there was a gleeful, concerted effort on the Right, beginning with Gingrich and continuing on to the loudmouth of Limbaugh and others, to bury the industry under an avalanche of accusation for being the tool of liberals. The polarization of the populace in this country did newspapers no favor, but their corporate, bottom-line abdication of responsibility to cover the damn news &#8212; developing pathetic, snarky blogs while pulling the statehouse and zoning meeting reporter &#8212; sealed their fate. I hope from the ashes rises something with teeth that resumes the watchdog role. It&#8217;s saddening to watch Jon Stewart being held up as the beacon of speaking truth to power. There is a strong drive under way to disperse the coverage of our world to citizen journalists and niche bloggers, where everyone has a say. &#8220;Here comes everybody,&#8221; though, is my worst nightmare because the layers of vetting, the experienced editing, the institutional knowledge and strength will be missing because we will have broken off into tribes of self-interest rather than pushing with the strength of community for leaders across both political and business spectrums to feel compelled to answer to the people. That community strength was represented in and by newspapers and now it is all but gone. Sure, there are plenty of commentators out there, but the hard work of investigative journalism has lost its champions. It&#8217;s a helluva good time to be a crook in America.<br />
Thanks for the dialogue<br />
&#8211; John Scheinman</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Windsor</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/why-wont-news-sites-link/comment-page-1/#comment-10053</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Windsor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John S.

Agreed with the substance of your most recent comment. As I note in the original post, you&#039;re more likely to find unrelated &quot;robolinks&quot; to seemingly random places (actually, just words or phrases that happen to be in the CMS&#039;s autolink database) than actual links to the true content of any particular article.

You can see this today in a prominent Business section article from my local paper:

http://is.gd/nrnv

The article is about three financial-advice web sites. None of them is linked. But you will find baffling robolinks to The New York Times and Portland, Oregon.

The article has a photo embedded, which means a web producer took the time to add it. But nobody thought it would also be a good idea to make links to the subject matter of the story.

Back to your comment, random links are not good journalism. Targeted, relevant links -- I&#039;d argue -- are. 

I hope we&#039;ve found some common ground on that point.

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John S.</p>
<p>Agreed with the substance of your most recent comment. As I note in the original post, you&#8217;re more likely to find unrelated &#8220;robolinks&#8221; to seemingly random places (actually, just words or phrases that happen to be in the CMS&#8217;s autolink database) than actual links to the true content of any particular article.</p>
<p>You can see this today in a prominent Business section article from my local paper:</p>
<p><a href="http://is.gd/nrnv" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/nrnv</a></p>
<p>The article is about three financial-advice web sites. None of them is linked. But you will find baffling robolinks to The New York Times and Portland, Oregon.</p>
<p>The article has a photo embedded, which means a web producer took the time to add it. But nobody thought it would also be a good idea to make links to the subject matter of the story.</p>
<p>Back to your comment, random links are not good journalism. Targeted, relevant links &#8212; I&#8217;d argue &#8212; are. </p>
<p>I hope we&#8217;ve found some common ground on that point.</p>
<p>:-)</p>
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		<title>By: John S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for having me, Tim...

I believe the better question to ask than &quot;Why won&#039;t news sites link?&quot; is &quot;Is there work any good?&quot;
The premise of this lab is to create a discussion about how to help news organizations navigate and succeed in the online world. I believe, however, we are moving way ahead of ourselves and risking abandoning standards that must be emphasized over and over at the foundation level of the new enterprise, or they will wind up being discarded or forgotten. We must tell the story under the best of journalistic standards, complete with proper editing and fact-checking. The foundation of good journalism must remain good journalism, not the raw extras we can attach. Of course, a link to the Pentagon papers provides utility and value, but a basketball story that links the name of the schools to their home Web sites does not. I have seen news articles on the Web littered, reflexively, with links to nearly everything in the body of the text and they are annoying and leading down paths only tangentially germane to the story. Complaints about the lack of these offers of often superfluous digression strike me as being like reviews I&#039;ve read of DVDs that wonder why the release of such and such great film doesn&#039;t offer a lot of bonus material. Does the interview with the director, the short on the making of, the unused ending, the outtakes, etc., really enhance the experience of, say, &quot;The Godfather&quot;? I&#039;d love to know how old you are and how many hours you spend a day at the desktop and whether you think that is a good thing. Lord knows I&#039;m on here too long. The Internet can feed obsession, compulsion, ADD, and all sorts of those kinds of human mind issues. 
Rule Number One may be that people move around, but they will do so whether you provide them links or not within a story. I believe word-based news sites need to redouble their focus on the critical mission especially when forced to -- not offered -- a new delivery system: First-rate reporting and writing, and, yes, grammar. Links better have a deep connection to the story -- like the Pentagon Papers -- because otherwise they are just another time suck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for having me, Tim&#8230;</p>
<p>I believe the better question to ask than &#8220;Why won&#8217;t news sites link?&#8221; is &#8220;Is there work any good?&#8221;<br />
The premise of this lab is to create a discussion about how to help news organizations navigate and succeed in the online world. I believe, however, we are moving way ahead of ourselves and risking abandoning standards that must be emphasized over and over at the foundation level of the new enterprise, or they will wind up being discarded or forgotten. We must tell the story under the best of journalistic standards, complete with proper editing and fact-checking. The foundation of good journalism must remain good journalism, not the raw extras we can attach. Of course, a link to the Pentagon papers provides utility and value, but a basketball story that links the name of the schools to their home Web sites does not. I have seen news articles on the Web littered, reflexively, with links to nearly everything in the body of the text and they are annoying and leading down paths only tangentially germane to the story. Complaints about the lack of these offers of often superfluous digression strike me as being like reviews I&#8217;ve read of DVDs that wonder why the release of such and such great film doesn&#8217;t offer a lot of bonus material. Does the interview with the director, the short on the making of, the unused ending, the outtakes, etc., really enhance the experience of, say, &#8220;The Godfather&#8221;? I&#8217;d love to know how old you are and how many hours you spend a day at the desktop and whether you think that is a good thing. Lord knows I&#8217;m on here too long. The Internet can feed obsession, compulsion, ADD, and all sorts of those kinds of human mind issues.<br />
Rule Number One may be that people move around, but they will do so whether you provide them links or not within a story. I believe word-based news sites need to redouble their focus on the critical mission especially when forced to &#8212; not offered &#8212; a new delivery system: First-rate reporting and writing, and, yes, grammar. Links better have a deep connection to the story &#8212; like the Pentagon Papers &#8212; because otherwise they are just another time suck.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Windsor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Windsor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John S.:

Thanks for commenting, but with all due respect, I think you&#039;ll be much happier staying with print all the way down.

Once a news organization steps onto the web, it has to play by the rules of the web. And Rule Number One is that people move around. Even the proverbial reporter&#039;s mother views more sites than just MySonsNewspaper.com. You can no more &quot;keep readers at your site&quot; than you can convince them that it&#039;s more efficient and fun to model their breathing rhythms on the bass line of &quot;All The Single Ladies.&quot;

And when did source materials become mere &quot;eye candy?&quot; Sure, the magician-in-a-box story linkage would be lightweight, but so too is the story itself. Would you not link to Pentagon documents, or minutes of a City Council meeting or video of the game-winning basket?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John S.:</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting, but with all due respect, I think you&#8217;ll be much happier staying with print all the way down.</p>
<p>Once a news organization steps onto the web, it has to play by the rules of the web. And Rule Number One is that people move around. Even the proverbial reporter&#8217;s mother views more sites than just MySonsNewspaper.com. You can no more &#8220;keep readers at your site&#8221; than you can convince them that it&#8217;s more efficient and fun to model their breathing rhythms on the bass line of &#8220;All The Single Ladies.&#8221;</p>
<p>And when did source materials become mere &#8220;eye candy?&#8221; Sure, the magician-in-a-box story linkage would be lightweight, but so too is the story itself. Would you not link to Pentagon documents, or minutes of a City Council meeting or video of the game-winning basket?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Sablan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Sablan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To answer the question in this post&#039;s headline/title (not to defend or excuse) I think many newsroom &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cmsmatrix.org/&quot; title=&quot;The CMS Matrix&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CMSs&lt;/a&gt; use &lt;a href=&quot;http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/word/default.aspx&quot; title=&quot;Microsoft Word&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Word&lt;/a&gt; or Word-inspired editors to write/edit articles. Although it isn&#039;t hard to add a link in Word, that program wasn&#039;t built with Web publishing in mind. Blogging tools were.

I know more than a few reporters who have happily embraced linking in their &lt;a href=&quot;http://wordpress.org/&quot; title=&quot;Wordpress.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WordPress&lt;/a&gt;-powered blogs, but don&#039;t add links to their CMS-published stories because of what is perceived as a difficult workflow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer the question in this post&#8217;s headline/title (not to defend or excuse) I think many newsroom <a href="http://www.cmsmatrix.org/" title="The CMS Matrix" rel="nofollow">CMSs</a> use <a href="http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/word/default.aspx" title="Microsoft Word" rel="nofollow">Word</a> or Word-inspired editors to write/edit articles. Although it isn&#8217;t hard to add a link in Word, that program wasn&#8217;t built with Web publishing in mind. Blogging tools were.</p>
<p>I know more than a few reporters who have happily embraced linking in their <a href="http://wordpress.org/" title="Wordpress.org" rel="nofollow">WordPress</a>-powered blogs, but don&#8217;t add links to their CMS-published stories because of what is perceived as a difficult workflow.</p>
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		<title>By: John S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First: Blogging reporters are reporters wasting time they should be using to work their beats. Blogging columnists are not crafting fine pieces, just churning crap. Old-line columnists save their best stuff, instinctively, for what&#039;s going to run in the paper. Blogging dilutes the talent of journalists and detracts from their fundamental mission. Thanks new world order. 
Second: If you are trying to keep readers at your site, why offer a million links to send them elsewhere? To add context to their experience? What are the chances of a reader coming back to your site to read more once you&#039;ve linked them in to the addictive world of Youtube? What a journalism site needs to do far more than worrying about whether it is offering links is actually doing the hard work of reporting on the world. I realize I am considered old-school and probably outdated, but I think a lot of the new models of thinking are a lot of bullshit. They create scattered minds that can&#039;t focus; they foster a lack of rigor in thinking by making the mechanics of the move too important in the learning chain. Popping from a written article to a video on Youtube is not fostering any serious thinking; it&#039;s just delivering eye candy. I think this rapid kind of leaping about is ideal for the male mind because it mimics the short-order thrills and ultimate emptiness of pornography. All you futurists out there who have read this can resume all self-congratulatory backslapping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First: Blogging reporters are reporters wasting time they should be using to work their beats. Blogging columnists are not crafting fine pieces, just churning crap. Old-line columnists save their best stuff, instinctively, for what&#8217;s going to run in the paper. Blogging dilutes the talent of journalists and detracts from their fundamental mission. Thanks new world order.<br />
Second: If you are trying to keep readers at your site, why offer a million links to send them elsewhere? To add context to their experience? What are the chances of a reader coming back to your site to read more once you&#8217;ve linked them in to the addictive world of Youtube? What a journalism site needs to do far more than worrying about whether it is offering links is actually doing the hard work of reporting on the world. I realize I am considered old-school and probably outdated, but I think a lot of the new models of thinking are a lot of bullshit. They create scattered minds that can&#8217;t focus; they foster a lack of rigor in thinking by making the mechanics of the move too important in the learning chain. Popping from a written article to a video on Youtube is not fostering any serious thinking; it&#8217;s just delivering eye candy. I think this rapid kind of leaping about is ideal for the male mind because it mimics the short-order thrills and ultimate emptiness of pornography. All you futurists out there who have read this can resume all self-congratulatory backslapping.</p>
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		<title>By: kus</title>
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		<dc:creator>kus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post!

one week ago, we published this little posting in our paper&#039;s blog. The Message: 
Yes, we DO link (even on our homepage)

http://blogs.badische-zeitung.de/redaktionsblog/2009/03/ja-wir-verlinken-auch-auf-der-startseite/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great post!</p>
<p>one week ago, we published this little posting in our paper&#8217;s blog. The Message:<br />
Yes, we DO link (even on our homepage)</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.badische-zeitung.de/redaktionsblog/2009/03/ja-wir-verlinken-auch-auf-der-startseite/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.badische-zeitung.de/redaktionsblog/2009/03/ja-wir-verlinken-auch-auf-der-startseite/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Davidson</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/03/why-wont-news-sites-link/comment-page-1/#comment-9937</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian - A fine point. But it strikes me as a little too much like the line I used to use (and my reporters used on me): &quot;Well, I reported it ... there in the 27th graf of that story from last week.&quot;

If you&#039;re blogging and embedding stuff in the blog - then why bother posting the shovelware story? It only confuses the consumer (and the Googlebot).

Do it once. Do it right.

Yes, the technical issues are daunting. So was moving from hot type to front-end systems.

Let&#039;s get it done. Nice post, TW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian &#8211; A fine point. But it strikes me as a little too much like the line I used to use (and my reporters used on me): &#8220;Well, I reported it &#8230; there in the 27th graf of that story from last week.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re blogging and embedding stuff in the blog &#8211; then why bother posting the shovelware story? It only confuses the consumer (and the Googlebot).</p>
<p>Do it once. Do it right.</p>
<p>Yes, the technical issues are daunting. So was moving from hot type to front-end systems.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get it done. Nice post, TW.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cubbison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cubbison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, you and the commenters raise an issue that should be getting more discussion, and it&#039;s interesting that you pick the magician story as an example. The Post-Standard actually blogs stories before they appear in the paper, and those stories have links, and the video was even embedded.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/03/local_magician_i_sent_myself_t.html

Follow-up stories were blogged, with links.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/03/feds_investigate_claim_of_mans.html

I suspect many papers have such a two-track path: The automatic overnight &quot;dump&quot; from the paper and the link-active blog post. At the Post-Standard, the blog post comes first. The story for the paper goes online later, after making its trip through pagination and typesetting software. Many times I&#039;ve tried to figure out a way to get an active hyperlink to survive the trip through pagination and typesetting. It&#039;s also a lament of ours that stories for the paper go online without their related photos or sidebars.

But we are in the midst of creating that reverse-publishing system that promises to address some of these issues. Also, however, we continue to try to develop surf-savvy and link-savvy editors, reporters and columnist, and our work isn&#039;t done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, you and the commenters raise an issue that should be getting more discussion, and it&#8217;s interesting that you pick the magician story as an example. The Post-Standard actually blogs stories before they appear in the paper, and those stories have links, and the video was even embedded.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/03/local_magician_i_sent_myself_t.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/03/local_magician_i_sent_myself_t.html</a></p>
<p>Follow-up stories were blogged, with links.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/03/feds_investigate_claim_of_mans.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/03/feds_investigate_claim_of_mans.html</a></p>
<p>I suspect many papers have such a two-track path: The automatic overnight &#8220;dump&#8221; from the paper and the link-active blog post. At the Post-Standard, the blog post comes first. The story for the paper goes online later, after making its trip through pagination and typesetting software. Many times I&#8217;ve tried to figure out a way to get an active hyperlink to survive the trip through pagination and typesetting. It&#8217;s also a lament of ours that stories for the paper go online without their related photos or sidebars.</p>
<p>But we are in the midst of creating that reverse-publishing system that promises to address some of these issues. Also, however, we continue to try to develop surf-savvy and link-savvy editors, reporters and columnist, and our work isn&#8217;t done.</p>
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