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	<title>Comments on: Jesse Thorn on the future of radio and the benefits of being small</title>
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		<title>By: Jesse Thorn on gathering your online audience in the real world &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/jesse-thorn-on-the-future-of-radio-and-the-benefits-of-being-small/comment-page-1/#comment-14931</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Thorn on gathering your online audience in the real world &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 23:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here&#8217;s the third and final part of my interview with Jesse Thorn, host of public radio&#8217;s The Sound of Young America. (Here&#8217;s my intro post, Part 1, and Part 2.) [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Here&#8217;s the third and final part of my interview with Jesse Thorn, host of public radio&#8217;s The Sound of Young America. (Here&#8217;s my intro post, Part 1, and Part 2.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Gross 2.0 &#171; The ConverStation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Gross 2.0 &#171; The ConverStation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interviewed and blogged about  Thorn and his show. The interview audio is archived here: Part One &#124; Part Two &#124; Part [...]</description>
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<p>[...] interviewed and blogged about  Thorn and his show. The interview audio is archived here: Part One | Part Two | Part [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Benton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Benton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lizzie, I think you&#039;re completely right that Jesse&#039;s model is not one that could apply to Morning Edition. That said: A very significant portion of the employed journalists in America do work that isn&#039;t watchdog reporting of government -- there&#039;s a lot of arts/culture/features coverage out there, and Jesse&#039;s model is one that might apply to some of them. 

And I&#039;d even argue that ME could make a calculus similar to Jesse and think: What parts of our programs are the most expensive? I&#039;m listening to Morning Edition right now, and they&#039;re alternating between interesting interviews and field pieces. I don&#039;t know NPR&#039;s cost structure well, but I&#039;d wager that the interviews are a lot less costly on a per-minute basis than the field pieces. 

Now, do I want to see those great field pieces go away? Of course not. But if something needs to be cut, then it makes sense to think which parts of your model give you the most ROI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lizzie, I think you&#8217;re completely right that Jesse&#8217;s model is not one that could apply to Morning Edition. That said: A very significant portion of the employed journalists in America do work that isn&#8217;t watchdog reporting of government &#8212; there&#8217;s a lot of arts/culture/features coverage out there, and Jesse&#8217;s model is one that might apply to some of them. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;d even argue that ME could make a calculus similar to Jesse and think: What parts of our programs are the most expensive? I&#8217;m listening to Morning Edition right now, and they&#8217;re alternating between interesting interviews and field pieces. I don&#8217;t know NPR&#8217;s cost structure well, but I&#8217;d wager that the interviews are a lot less costly on a per-minute basis than the field pieces. </p>
<p>Now, do I want to see those great field pieces go away? Of course not. But if something needs to be cut, then it makes sense to think which parts of your model give you the most ROI.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow those were really ignorant remarks about adam carolla. Adam is a street smart kind of guy. He appeals to all kinds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow those were really ignorant remarks about adam carolla. Adam is a street smart kind of guy. He appeals to all kinds.</p>
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		<title>By: Lizzie</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/jesse-thorn-on-the-future-of-radio-and-the-benefits-of-being-small/comment-page-1/#comment-13105</link>
		<dc:creator>Lizzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blogs, pop-culture interview shows, and local reporting are all projects that individuals can pursue independently and entrepreneur-ly, working full-time for free, if they choose to. But you can&#039;t do investigative reporting only from your apartment. Some journalism requires institutional backing. And a lot of that journalism is of the harder news sort. I think Thorn is right that the big-money, big-institutional approach is not the right way to get innovative new programming. Garison Keilor, Fresh Air, This American Life -- they all started small, local, and small-budget. But these -- like TSOYA -- mostly entertainment/arts/features shows. (TAL branched out into harder news stories and public affairs investigations only after it was larger, sturdier, and more institutionally established.)

To compare TSOYA to Morning Edition is kind of silly.  TSOYA isn&#039;t unlike ME because it&#039;s small -- it&#039;s unlike ME because ME&#039;s aim is to present a comprehensive view of the world&#039;s news of the day, through original reporting and diverse commentary. That can only be done with many contributors and consistent editing, and that means that ME&#039;s aim can&#039;t be achieved by one person working alone in his apartment.

Don&#039;t belittle the person who mourns the end of her Metro desk job as just a whiner who can&#039;t hack the ruggedly individualistic pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps lifestyle. I daresay she&#039;s also mourning the loss of a journalistic product so much greater than the sum of its parts that comes from news-gathering teamwork. 

There will undoubtedly be new-media solutions for news-gathering teams too. They&#039;re just not going to be the same ones as for the shows like TSOYA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blogs, pop-culture interview shows, and local reporting are all projects that individuals can pursue independently and entrepreneur-ly, working full-time for free, if they choose to. But you can&#8217;t do investigative reporting only from your apartment. Some journalism requires institutional backing. And a lot of that journalism is of the harder news sort. I think Thorn is right that the big-money, big-institutional approach is not the right way to get innovative new programming. Garison Keilor, Fresh Air, This American Life &#8212; they all started small, local, and small-budget. But these &#8212; like TSOYA &#8212; mostly entertainment/arts/features shows. (TAL branched out into harder news stories and public affairs investigations only after it was larger, sturdier, and more institutionally established.)</p>
<p>To compare TSOYA to Morning Edition is kind of silly.  TSOYA isn&#8217;t unlike ME because it&#8217;s small &#8212; it&#8217;s unlike ME because ME&#8217;s aim is to present a comprehensive view of the world&#8217;s news of the day, through original reporting and diverse commentary. That can only be done with many contributors and consistent editing, and that means that ME&#8217;s aim can&#8217;t be achieved by one person working alone in his apartment.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t belittle the person who mourns the end of her Metro desk job as just a whiner who can&#8217;t hack the ruggedly individualistic pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps lifestyle. I daresay she&#8217;s also mourning the loss of a journalistic product so much greater than the sum of its parts that comes from news-gathering teamwork. </p>
<p>There will undoubtedly be new-media solutions for news-gathering teams too. They&#8217;re just not going to be the same ones as for the shows like TSOYA.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ Swift</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ Swift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I thought it&#039;d print our website:

http://www.kidspublicradio.org 

for all you cellular level types</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I thought it&#8217;d print our website:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kidspublicradio.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.kidspublicradio.org</a> </p>
<p>for all you cellular level types</p>
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		<title>By: PJ Swift</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/jesse-thorn-on-the-future-of-radio-and-the-benefits-of-being-small/comment-page-1/#comment-12862</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ Swift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you guys are infants, I guess we&#039;re at the cellular level. But happily so. 

Jesse, I concur on much of your take on public radio&#039;s economics. We have been producing on a shoestring for over 20 years. I found it very liberating to stop chasing the dime and focus on the sound. 

But I disagree about web-based radio. I think it&#039;s the next platform for channel-oriented programming such as ours. We have two ad-free, commercial-free, and &quot;underwriting&quot;-free streamed channels for kids below age 8. 

There are a lot of &quot;tennis-player&quot; streamers out there, creating their channels for the love of it. And some of these channels, like ours, embrace the public radio ethic of intelligent non-commercial programming. We just have to start thinking of &quot;public radio&quot; existing outside the fm spectrum.

Let a thousand channels bloom. Let a thousand podcasts bloom.

PJ Swift, slug from Santa Cruz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you guys are infants, I guess we&#8217;re at the cellular level. But happily so. </p>
<p>Jesse, I concur on much of your take on public radio&#8217;s economics. We have been producing on a shoestring for over 20 years. I found it very liberating to stop chasing the dime and focus on the sound. </p>
<p>But I disagree about web-based radio. I think it&#8217;s the next platform for channel-oriented programming such as ours. We have two ad-free, commercial-free, and &#8220;underwriting&#8221;-free streamed channels for kids below age 8. </p>
<p>There are a lot of &#8220;tennis-player&#8221; streamers out there, creating their channels for the love of it. And some of these channels, like ours, embrace the public radio ethic of intelligent non-commercial programming. We just have to start thinking of &#8220;public radio&#8221; existing outside the fm spectrum.</p>
<p>Let a thousand channels bloom. Let a thousand podcasts bloom.</p>
<p>PJ Swift, slug from Santa Cruz</p>
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		<title>By: David in Detroit</title>
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		<dc:creator>David in Detroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reptillian brain?.. Adam Carolla= Howard Stern?.. They arten&#039;t even close to each other... Howard Stern delves into the motivations of people&#039;s strange behaviours... Adam Carolla has brilliant insight with almost any topic you can imagine and preaches common sense to retards... These shows are worlds apart... The audiences have (had) an above average I.Q. and are (were) mentally capable of processing what is (was) being said... &gt;&gt;&gt; Dumb people just hear dick jokes and giggle about it...   
Adam Carolla and Howard Stern are meant for smart people... Please investigate something before you comment on it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reptillian brain?.. Adam Carolla= Howard Stern?.. They arten&#8217;t even close to each other&#8230; Howard Stern delves into the motivations of people&#8217;s strange behaviours&#8230; Adam Carolla has brilliant insight with almost any topic you can imagine and preaches common sense to retards&#8230; These shows are worlds apart&#8230; The audiences have (had) an above average I.Q. and are (were) mentally capable of processing what is (was) being said&#8230; &gt;&gt;&gt; Dumb people just hear dick jokes and giggle about it&#8230;<br />
Adam Carolla and Howard Stern are meant for smart people&#8230; Please investigate something before you comment on it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: B. Sallberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. Sallberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Mr. Thorn&#039;s goal was to sound pompous and uninformed, then mission accomplished. 

Sincerely, 

Benjamin &quot;Reptilian, walnut-sized brain” Sallberg
31. Seattle, WA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Mr. Thorn&#8217;s goal was to sound pompous and uninformed, then mission accomplished. </p>
<p>Sincerely, </p>
<p>Benjamin &#8220;Reptilian, walnut-sized brain” Sallberg<br />
31. Seattle, WA</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with the replies above me. The thing that I think attracted people to Adam Carolla was that he was different then Howard and all the other morning shows/radio hosts. His brutal honesty, and wise yet hilarious insight into humanity made him not only funny, but at the same time psychologically and philisophically  entertaining to those looking for something more in talk radio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with the replies above me. The thing that I think attracted people to Adam Carolla was that he was different then Howard and all the other morning shows/radio hosts. His brutal honesty, and wise yet hilarious insight into humanity made him not only funny, but at the same time psychologically and philisophically  entertaining to those looking for something more in talk radio.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Thorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse Thorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you, Joshua, I think your characterization of Carolla is very fair.  And I think the world of him.  By the by: if you haven&#039;t seen The Hammer, his film from last year, it is very much worth your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you, Joshua, I think your characterization of Carolla is very fair.  And I think the world of him.  By the by: if you haven&#8217;t seen The Hammer, his film from last year, it is very much worth your time.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Benton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Benton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dirk and Matt -- seriously, reread what I wrote. I said that despite the dumber stuff he&#039;s done, Carolla is a smart, talented guy who people should listen to even if they know him from things like The Man Show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dirk and Matt &#8212; seriously, reread what I wrote. I said that despite the dumber stuff he&#8217;s done, Carolla is a smart, talented guy who people should listen to even if they know him from things like The Man Show.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 07:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must echo the complaints of the poster above me.  Adam Carolla is a far more dynamic, creative, and thoughtful social commentator than this article&#039;s condescending disclaimer would have you believe.

It&#039;s easy to form an unkind picture of Mr. Carolla based on some of his more simplistic projects, but anyone familiar with his podcast, his many years on Loveline, or his recent, surprisingly thoughtful and innovative morning show would find your characterization of him reductive and embarassing.

I found the interview itself quite interesting and useful, as I am also a huge fan of Mr. Thorn, and I was saddened by the childish attitude with which Mr. Carolla was introduced into the conversation.  A misstep which, in my opinion, marred an otherwise excellent article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must echo the complaints of the poster above me.  Adam Carolla is a far more dynamic, creative, and thoughtful social commentator than this article&#8217;s condescending disclaimer would have you believe.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to form an unkind picture of Mr. Carolla based on some of his more simplistic projects, but anyone familiar with his podcast, his many years on Loveline, or his recent, surprisingly thoughtful and innovative morning show would find your characterization of him reductive and embarassing.</p>
<p>I found the interview itself quite interesting and useful, as I am also a huge fan of Mr. Thorn, and I was saddened by the childish attitude with which Mr. Carolla was introduced into the conversation.  A misstep which, in my opinion, marred an otherwise excellent article.</p>
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		<title>By: Dirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Carolla is best known to many as a Howard Stern type — a producer of brash, scatological comedy aimed at the most reptilian, walnut-sized part of the 14-year-old male brain&quot;

It is obvious you have never listen to Adam&#039;s radio show or his podcasts.  He is nothing like Howard.  You should listen to someone&#039;s material before you make statements about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Carolla is best known to many as a Howard Stern type — a producer of brash, scatological comedy aimed at the most reptilian, walnut-sized part of the 14-year-old male brain&#8221;</p>
<p>It is obvious you have never listen to Adam&#8217;s radio show or his podcasts.  He is nothing like Howard.  You should listen to someone&#8217;s material before you make statements about them.</p>
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