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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-14451</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 13:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>London Free Press (er, London Ontario that is) has begun to expand their news into other areas.

Two more interesting things they&#039;ve done:

-Allowed people to turn their voice-mail comments about stories in the LFP and turn them into podcasts with LFP staff commentary.

-Begun to do video news coverage of things too small for our local stations to bother with (yet big enough to be interesting)

A presentation by Steve Groves (director of Internet media) on it can be found here:  http://prezi.com/54980/

http://www.lfpress.com/ 

I&#039;m going to send this post back in Steve&#039;s direction.  The LFP might use some of Google&#039;s ideas...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>London Free Press (er, London Ontario that is) has begun to expand their news into other areas.</p>
<p>Two more interesting things they&#8217;ve done:</p>
<p>-Allowed people to turn their voice-mail comments about stories in the LFP and turn them into podcasts with LFP staff commentary.</p>
<p>-Begun to do video news coverage of things too small for our local stations to bother with (yet big enough to be interesting)</p>
<p>A presentation by Steve Groves (director of Internet media) on it can be found here:  <a href="http://prezi.com/54980/" rel="nofollow">http://prezi.com/54980/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.lfpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lfpress.com/</a> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to send this post back in Steve&#8217;s direction.  The LFP might use some of Google&#8217;s ideas&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: What Happens When People Stop Being &#8220;Experienced&#8221; And Start Being Real? &#171; little girl BIG VOICE</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Happens When People Stop Being &#8220;Experienced&#8221; And Start Being Real? &#171; little girl BIG VOICE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 01:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ones still in charge, making decisions and running their businesses into the ground so that their companies are not only unable to fulfill the needs of the consumer, but so that they can&#8217;t afford to hire the talent that could save their ass either. It just [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ones still in charge, making decisions and running their businesses into the ground so that their companies are not only unable to fulfill the needs of the consumer, but so that they can&#8217;t afford to hire the talent that could save their ass either. It just [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Strange Attractor &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The long view in building news businesses</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13489</link>
		<dc:creator>Strange Attractor &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The long view in building news businesses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Google Labs released their News Timeline feature, it prompted Mathew Ingram at Harvard University Nieman Journalism Lab to call for more creativity from news organisations. Mathew [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Why didn&#8217;t newspapers create Google News Timeline? &#124; The Latest Headlines</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13420</link>
		<dc:creator>Why didn&#8217;t newspapers create Google News Timeline? &#124; The Latest Headlines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] editor for the Toronto Globe &amp; Mail, wrote on Harvard&#8217;s Nieman Journalism Lab blog &#8220;Papers: more creativity please&#8221; in response to Google&#8217;s News Timeline effort.  One question kept nagging at me as I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 80% dos jornais serão extintos? &#124; Converge Magazine</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13369</link>
		<dc:creator>80% dos jornais serão extintos? &#124; Converge Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and couldn’t raise the money for the most lucrative acquisition imaginable.  Which (aside to Matt Ingram) is why there’s not much creativity coming from them. (Amazingly, most newspaper firms are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and couldn’t raise the money for the most lucrative acquisition imaginable.  Which (aside to Matt Ingram) is why there’s not much creativity coming from them. (Amazingly, most newspaper firms are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Proposal: Model for Progressive Economic Reporting Timeline</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13302</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Proposal: Model for Progressive Economic Reporting Timeline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Journalism Lab has a great post this a.m. in reaction to a new Google Lab release: a Google News timeline view,: which gives users the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Strange Attractor &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2009-04-22</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13231</link>
		<dc:creator>Strange Attractor &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2009-04-22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Papers: more creativity please » Nieman Journalism Lab Kevin: Mathew Ingram calls on newspapers to think more creatively as Google News launches a feature that allows you to navigate news by time. He asks: &quot;One question kept nagging at me as I was looking at this latest Google effort at delivering the news, and that was: Why couldn’t a news organization have done this?&quot; This has been done, back in 2007 by El Comercio in Peru. But I still take his point. There is a lot of room in innovation in all parts of the newspaper business, both on the editorial side and the commercial side. (tags: newspapers innovation Google development) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Papers: more creativity please » Nieman Journalism Lab Kevin: Mathew Ingram calls on newspapers to think more creatively as Google News launches a feature that allows you to navigate news by time. He asks: &quot;One question kept nagging at me as I was looking at this latest Google effort at delivering the news, and that was: Why couldn’t a news organization have done this?&quot; This has been done, back in 2007 by El Comercio in Peru. But I still take his point. There is a lot of room in innovation in all parts of the newspaper business, both on the editorial side and the commercial side. (tags: newspapers innovation Google development) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 80 percent of newspapers gone in 18 months? Not likely. :Newspaper Ad Rate</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13221</link>
		<dc:creator>80 percent of newspapers gone in 18 months? Not likely. :Newspaper Ad Rate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] left, and couldn’t raise the money for the most lucrative acquisition imaginable. Which (aside to Matt Ingram) is why there’s not much creativity coming from them. (Amazingly, most newspaper firms are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] left, and couldn’t raise the money for the most lucrative acquisition imaginable. Which (aside to Matt Ingram) is why there’s not much creativity coming from them. (Amazingly, most newspaper firms are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Newspapers gave way to their own doom &#124; Os jornais abriram o caminho à sua própria desgraça &#171; O Lago &#124; The Lake</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13219</link>
		<dc:creator>Newspapers gave way to their own doom &#124; Os jornais abriram o caminho à sua própria desgraça &#171; O Lago &#124; The Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Why couldn’t a news organization have done this?&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Why did Google create News Timeline and not newspapers? &#124; SupaFeed</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13214</link>
		<dc:creator>Why did Google create News Timeline and not newspapers? &#124; SupaFeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] editor for the Toronto Globe &amp; Mail, wrote on Harvard&#8217;s Nieman Journalism Lab blog &#8220;Papers: more creativity please&#8221; in response to Google&#8217;s News Timeline effort.  One question kept nagging at me as I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13206</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Derek. 

I didn&#039;t mean to suggest that the Washington Post hasn&#039;t done anything creative in terms of displaying content by any means -- I was thinking specifically of the tag-cloud view of headlines and some of the other interface projects that I remember being part of the original Remix effort. I probably could have phrased that part a little better. 

And thanks for including that link to some of the projects that Peter has been involved in. It is a great list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Derek. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to suggest that the Washington Post hasn&#8217;t done anything creative in terms of displaying content by any means &#8212; I was thinking specifically of the tag-cloud view of headlines and some of the other interface projects that I remember being part of the original Remix effort. I probably could have phrased that part a little better. </p>
<p>And thanks for including that link to some of the projects that Peter has been involved in. It is a great list.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Willis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s inaccurate to say that the work that Adrian started at washingtonpost.com didn&#039;t go anywhere. There&#039;s a long list of projects that WPNI has produced, many of which are detailed here:

http://push.cx/2009/washington-post-update

Among the recent efforts there, I really enjoy the political appointments database:

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2009/federal-appointments/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s inaccurate to say that the work that Adrian started at washingtonpost.com didn&#8217;t go anywhere. There&#8217;s a long list of projects that WPNI has produced, many of which are detailed here:</p>
<p><a href="http://push.cx/2009/washington-post-update" rel="nofollow">http://push.cx/2009/washington-post-update</a></p>
<p>Among the recent efforts there, I really enjoy the political appointments database:</p>
<p><a href="http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2009/federal-appointments/" rel="nofollow">http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2009/federal-appointments/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram on Google News Timeline — Eat Sleep Publish</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13191</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew Ingram on Google News Timeline — Eat Sleep Publish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Eat Sleep Publish       April 21, 2009  Mathew Ingram on Google News Timeline [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Zhu</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13187</link>
		<dc:creator>John Zhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps it&#039;s not that there isn&#039;t creativity at newspapers, but rather that the creativity exists in a different arena than it does at Google or other tech companies because of their different focuses.

For Google, this news timeline thing is right in its comfort zone/focus: Index, organize, and deliver existing content; whereas for newspapers, their comfort zone/focus has always been content creation, with a little bit of delivery thrown in. Those focuses are in the blood and culture of these respective companies. Take either one out of its comfort zone and put it in a different arena, and it&#039;ll likely struggle. &quot;Geek talents&quot; at newspapers probably feel a little (or perhaps a lot) like visual designers at Google:

http://stopdesign.com/archive/2009/03/20/goodbye-google.html

So if you pit a content-creation company that&#039;s trying to do tech stuff as well against a tech company on what is essentially a tech problem, my money would be on the tech company every time. 

While newspapers definitely need to be much more tech-minded than in the past, not being in a world of infinite resources, I don&#039;t know if their future lies in them becoming capable of going toe-to-toe with the likes of Google on technological innovation. Perhaps it&#039;s about taking being more adept at taking the innovations that come out of the tech sector and using them to allow you to better excel at what you are good at, like how blogging software allowed millions of content creators to disseminate their content. Those content creators didn&#039;t arrive at that point by becoming developers and programmers. They did it by employing the tools created by developers and programmers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s not that there isn&#8217;t creativity at newspapers, but rather that the creativity exists in a different arena than it does at Google or other tech companies because of their different focuses.</p>
<p>For Google, this news timeline thing is right in its comfort zone/focus: Index, organize, and deliver existing content; whereas for newspapers, their comfort zone/focus has always been content creation, with a little bit of delivery thrown in. Those focuses are in the blood and culture of these respective companies. Take either one out of its comfort zone and put it in a different arena, and it&#8217;ll likely struggle. &#8220;Geek talents&#8221; at newspapers probably feel a little (or perhaps a lot) like visual designers at Google:</p>
<p><a href="http://stopdesign.com/archive/2009/03/20/goodbye-google.html" rel="nofollow">http://stopdesign.com/archive/2009/03/20/goodbye-google.html</a></p>
<p>So if you pit a content-creation company that&#8217;s trying to do tech stuff as well against a tech company on what is essentially a tech problem, my money would be on the tech company every time. </p>
<p>While newspapers definitely need to be much more tech-minded than in the past, not being in a world of infinite resources, I don&#8217;t know if their future lies in them becoming capable of going toe-to-toe with the likes of Google on technological innovation. Perhaps it&#8217;s about taking being more adept at taking the innovations that come out of the tech sector and using them to allow you to better excel at what you are good at, like how blogging software allowed millions of content creators to disseminate their content. Those content creators didn&#8217;t arrive at that point by becoming developers and programmers. They did it by employing the tools created by developers and programmers.</p>
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		<title>By: Why did Google create News Timeline and not newspapers? &#124; RSS For Gadgets</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13186</link>
		<dc:creator>Why did Google create News Timeline and not newspapers? &#124; RSS For Gadgets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] editor for the Toronto Globe &amp; Mail, wrote on Harvard&#8217;s Nieman Journalism Lab blog &#8220;Papers: more creativity please&#8221; in response to Google&#8217;s News Timeline effort.  One question kept nagging at me as I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13174</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the comments -- and to Robb and Kevin and Owen and newsman for pointing out other experiments in the area of timelines. And I would agree with Kevin that one of the things that has been holding newspapers back is the antiquated and inflexible content-management systems they use, although I would argue that there is also a significant cultural problem in many newsrooms as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the comments &#8212; and to Robb and Kevin and Owen and newsman for pointing out other experiments in the area of timelines. And I would agree with Kevin that one of the things that has been holding newspapers back is the antiquated and inflexible content-management systems they use, although I would argue that there is also a significant cultural problem in many newsrooms as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Google News Timeline &#171; Virtualjournalist</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13172</link>
		<dc:creator>Google News Timeline &#171; Virtualjournalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Posted by virtualjournalist on April 21, 2009  Mathew Ingram looks at the brand new Google News Timeline and wonders: Why can&#8217;t newspapers exhibit this kind of creativity? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Posted by virtualjournalist on April 21, 2009  Mathew Ingram looks at the brand new Google News Timeline and wonders: Why can&#8217;t newspapers exhibit this kind of creativity? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ldi</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13168</link>
		<dc:creator>ldi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google is in the best place for designing and adopting news innovation: maybe the value of the service is interesting if you can read more newspapers, not one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google is in the best place for designing and adopting news innovation: maybe the value of the service is interesting if you can read more newspapers, not one</p>
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		<title>By: Next Stop Florida &#171; Reinventing the Newsroom</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13166</link>
		<dc:creator>Next Stop Florida &#171; Reinventing the Newsroom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Google News Timeline, which I can&#8217;t wait to play with &#8212; and desperately wish (as do others) that I&#8217;d seen invented by a newspaper.      no comments yet    &#171; What Do We Call This [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Google News Timeline, which I can&#8217;t wait to play with &#8212; and desperately wish (as do others) that I&#8217;d seen invented by a newspaper.      no comments yet    &laquo; What Do We Call This [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Montgomery</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13165</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb Montgomery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comments are as revealing as the article!
Maters not who did it first. What matters is who does it best.

My nomination for most innovative, user-centered news reader from the future is  . . . . Spectra.

Not surprisingly, it was not developed by a newspaper.
Editors don&#039;t think in terms of unbundling and letting users re-bundle content like this. Developers do.

LINK
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i//msnbc/Components/spectra/spectra.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comments are as revealing as the article!<br />
Maters not who did it first. What matters is who does it best.</p>
<p>My nomination for most innovative, user-centered news reader from the future is  . . . . Spectra.</p>
<p>Not surprisingly, it was not developed by a newspaper.<br />
Editors don&#8217;t think in terms of unbundling and letting users re-bundle content like this. Developers do.</p>
<p>LINK<br />
<a href="http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i//msnbc/Components/spectra/spectra.html" rel="nofollow">http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i//msnbc/Components/spectra/spectra.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: 80 percent of newspapers gone in 18 months? Not likely. &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13161</link>
		<dc:creator>80 percent of newspapers gone in 18 months? Not likely. &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and couldn&#8217;t raise the money for the most lucrative acquisition imaginable.  Which (aside to Matt Ingram) is why there&#8217;s not much creativity coming from them. (Amazingly, most newspaper firms are [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13158</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew, 

Ironically, a newspaper has done a time-line navigation of their content, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.elcomercio.com.pe/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;El Comercio in Peru&lt;/a&gt;. They launched &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=31&amp;aid=120758&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a version of it in 2007&lt;/a&gt;. The time slider was a bit slow to load, but the current version on the home page is quite quick. 

I agree that the level of creativity needs to increase, but I think one thing holding them back is the Web 0.5 content management systems that many newspapers use. They are clumsy, monolithic systems that get in the way of tapping network effects. They not only get in the way of developers, but they also get in the way of journalists. 

However, I would say that there has been a change in the last few years that we now have editors asking for new web and interactive features instead of those initiatives being driven primarily from outside the newsroom. The recession is causing some journalists to revert back to &#039;the internet is the enemy&#039; thinking, but I do think (maybe I should say hope) that we&#039;ve turned a corner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew, </p>
<p>Ironically, a newspaper has done a time-line navigation of their content, <a href="http://www.elcomercio.com.pe/" rel="nofollow">El Comercio in Peru</a>. They launched <a href="http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=31&amp;aid=120758" rel="nofollow">a version of it in 2007</a>. The time slider was a bit slow to load, but the current version on the home page is quite quick. </p>
<p>I agree that the level of creativity needs to increase, but I think one thing holding them back is the Web 0.5 content management systems that many newspapers use. They are clumsy, monolithic systems that get in the way of tapping network effects. They not only get in the way of developers, but they also get in the way of journalists. </p>
<p>However, I would say that there has been a change in the last few years that we now have editors asking for new web and interactive features instead of those initiatives being driven primarily from outside the newsroom. The recession is causing some journalists to revert back to &#8216;the internet is the enemy&#8217; thinking, but I do think (maybe I should say hope) that we&#8217;ve turned a corner.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13157</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s because most journalists - even the new ones - are living in an ink-stained past of Woodward, etc., a culture massively reinforced by most j-schools today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s because most journalists &#8211; even the new ones &#8211; are living in an ink-stained past of Woodward, etc., a culture massively reinforced by most j-schools today.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Conover</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13155</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Conover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish it wasn&#039;t this simple, but the truth is that the newsroom culture is, and has been for years, overtly hostile to the geek culture. 

There&#039;s no logical reason that news companies can&#039;t combine geek talent and journalism talent into something that is greater than the sum of its parts, yet it almost never happens. I suspect this has a great deal to do with the fact that, as a group, we journalists can be some of the most unpleasant people on the planet, and the geeks (who can work elsewhere) won&#039;t put up with our shit for very long.

If news companies want to progress and survive, they&#039;re going to have to deal with the swaggering bullies, curmudgeons and beancounters they&#039;ve placed in charge of their franchise. Newsrooms may have been conducive to creativity once, but that&#039;s not what I&#039;m hearing or seeing anymore. 

Bottom line? If you want good geek talent, you not only have to pay for it, you have to let it achieve things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish it wasn&#8217;t this simple, but the truth is that the newsroom culture is, and has been for years, overtly hostile to the geek culture. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no logical reason that news companies can&#8217;t combine geek talent and journalism talent into something that is greater than the sum of its parts, yet it almost never happens. I suspect this has a great deal to do with the fact that, as a group, we journalists can be some of the most unpleasant people on the planet, and the geeks (who can work elsewhere) won&#8217;t put up with our shit for very long.</p>
<p>If news companies want to progress and survive, they&#8217;re going to have to deal with the swaggering bullies, curmudgeons and beancounters they&#8217;ve placed in charge of their franchise. Newsrooms may have been conducive to creativity once, but that&#8217;s not what I&#8217;m hearing or seeing anymore. </p>
<p>Bottom line? If you want good geek talent, you not only have to pay for it, you have to let it achieve things.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13154</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Mark -- it&#039;s a shame that many newspapers continue to think only of other papers when it comes to who their competition is and where they should look for ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Mark &#8212; it&#8217;s a shame that many newspapers continue to think only of other papers when it comes to who their competition is and where they should look for ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Google Interactive Timeline &#171; INFORMATIONISTA</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13151</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Interactive Timeline &#171; INFORMATIONISTA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Google Interactive&#160;Timeline  Jump to Comments  As many people probably know by now, Google came out with another of its Google Labs features on Monday: a Google News timeline view, which gives users the ability to see and scroll through headlines, photos and news excerpts by day/week/month/year. The sources of this data can also be customized to include not just traditional news sources but also sports scores, blogs, etc. It’s a fascinating way of interpreting the news — not something that is likely going to replace a regular old Google News headline view, but an additional way of looking at things. from NiemanJournalismLab [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Google Interactive&nbsp;Timeline  Jump to Comments  As many people probably know by now, Google came out with another of its Google Labs features on Monday: a Google News timeline view, which gives users the ability to see and scroll through headlines, photos and news excerpts by day/week/month/year. The sources of this data can also be customized to include not just traditional news sources but also sports scores, blogs, etc. It’s a fascinating way of interpreting the news — not something that is likely going to replace a regular old Google News headline view, but an additional way of looking at things. from NiemanJournalismLab [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Sablan</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13133</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Sablan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Chris Brogan had it right when he talked about &quot;The Beauty of Pirate Ships&quot; and the need to take set a goal, fire, and throw away all excuses. Pirates did it. It was war, and they didn&#039;t spend any time freting over infrastructure ...

&quot;Can an enterprise do that? Can they lob themselves at targets without worrying about their infrastructure? Not sure. Look at all the burning debris in the &#039;water&#039; of the last few months’ financial turmoil. Big companies are in the wreckage.&quot;

http://www.chrisbrogan.com/the-beauty-of-pirate-ships/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Chris Brogan had it right when he talked about &#8220;The Beauty of Pirate Ships&#8221; and the need to take set a goal, fire, and throw away all excuses. Pirates did it. It was war, and they didn&#8217;t spend any time freting over infrastructure &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Can an enterprise do that? Can they lob themselves at targets without worrying about their infrastructure? Not sure. Look at all the burning debris in the &#8216;water&#8217; of the last few months’ financial turmoil. Big companies are in the wreckage.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chrisbrogan.com/the-beauty-of-pirate-ships/" rel="nofollow">http://www.chrisbrogan.com/the-beauty-of-pirate-ships/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark S. Luckie</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13131</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark S. Luckie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 04:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s kind of sad showing off innovative technologies over at 10,000 Words, knowing it will be years before most newsrooms adopt them, if at all. Even more disturbing is newspapers looking to other newspapers for inspiration... it&#039;s like the blind leading the blind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s kind of sad showing off innovative technologies over at 10,000 Words, knowing it will be years before most newsrooms adopt them, if at all. Even more disturbing is newspapers looking to other newspapers for inspiration&#8230; it&#8217;s like the blind leading the blind.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen Youngman</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13130</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen Youngman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually, the LA Times did do something like this first.  Here&#039;s a random example.


http://topics.latimes.com/entertainment/people/josh-brolin/2008-06</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, the LA Times did do something like this first.  Here&#8217;s a random example.</p>
<p><a href="http://topics.latimes.com/entertainment/people/josh-brolin/2008-06" rel="nofollow">http://topics.latimes.com/entertainment/people/josh-brolin/2008-06</a></p>
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		<title>By: news man</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/papers-more-creativity-please/comment-page-1/#comment-13129</link>
		<dc:creator>news man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>an australian news company did a similar timeline about two years ago, and it&#039;s still on their site;

http://mostpopular.ninemsn.com.au/

maybe it&#039;s just when google do it, people take more notice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>an australian news company did a similar timeline about two years ago, and it&#8217;s still on their site;</p>
<p><a href="http://mostpopular.ninemsn.com.au/" rel="nofollow">http://mostpopular.ninemsn.com.au/</a></p>
<p>maybe it&#8217;s just when google do it, people take more notice?</p>
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