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		<title>By: Putting people first &#187; New interface design at the New York Times R&#38;D Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Putting people first &#187; New interface design at the New York Times R&#38;D Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 08:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In the Times R&amp;D Lab, the future of news is the future of advertising May 15, 2009         &#160;    Leave a Reply [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cascade : Free Art Bureau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cascade : Free Art Bureau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] de ses lecteurs, imagine le marketing de demain et développe des interfaces novatrices. En 2009, ils connectent des pubs papier au web en utilisant des puces RFID. En mai 2011, le projet openpaths.cc permet de récupérer les fameuses données géolocalisées [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] de ses lecteurs, imagine le marketing de demain et développe des interfaces novatrices. En 2009, ils connectent des pubs papier au web en utilisant des puces RFID. En mai 2011, le projet openpaths.cc permet de récupérer les fameuses données géolocalisées [...]</p>
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		<title>By: For a biz to grow, it must constantly change with the times &#171; The Shabby-Chic Lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>For a biz to grow, it must constantly change with the times &#171; The Shabby-Chic Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For a biz to grow, it must constantly change with the&#160;times 2010 February 5    by cindyrodriguez   The NYT has a huge R&amp;D Lab whose sole job is to research and develop NEW initiatives. Take a tour of the lab with the Nieman Journalism Lab: http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/05/in-the-times-rd-lab-the-future-of-news-is-the-future-of-advertising... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For a biz to grow, it must constantly change with the&nbsp;times 2010 February 5    by cindyrodriguez   The NYT has a huge R&amp;D Lab whose sole job is to research and develop NEW initiatives. Take a tour of the lab with the Nieman Journalism Lab: <a href="http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/05/in-the-times-rd-lab-the-future-of-news-is-the-future-of-advertising.." rel="nofollow">http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/05/in-the-times-rd-lab-the-future-of-news-is-the-future-of-advertising..</a>. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BILL KELLER AND THE &#8220;IMPENDING APPLE SLATE&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/05/in-the-times-rd-lab-the-future-of-news-is-the-future-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-67668</link>
		<dc:creator>BILL KELLER AND THE &#8220;IMPENDING APPLE SLATE&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Many people think that he has been confidentially briefed by Apple, and don&#8217;t be surprised if you see very soon The New York Times shows an iSlate version of the paper developed by The New York Times Research &amp; Development Lab. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Many people think that he has been confidentially briefed by Apple, and don&#8217;t be surprised if you see very soon The New York Times shows an iSlate version of the paper developed by The New York Times Research &amp; Development Lab. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Mairson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Mairson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Generate Revenue By Aggregating Readers&#039; Retail Demand:

In his comment here, CT Moore says: &quot;So maybe publishers need to stop thinking about how advertisers can target their readers and start thinking about how they can use their readers to target advertisers.&quot;

I totally agree. Instead of publishers standing with advertisers and asking: &quot;How can we help you reach all those eyeballs?&quot; -- publishers need to ask: &quot;How can we leverage the buying power of our readers?&quot; Here&#039;s one way: retail flash mobs. Use the newspaper&#039;s platform to aggregate reader&#039;s retail demand. For example: Buying a refrigerator this Saturday at Sears? So are a hundred other readers of [insert name of local newspaper here]. To save $50 on a Kenmore fridge, wouldn&#039;t you pay $30 to be a subscriber/member of your local paper?

This is part of the logic behind a project I launched in June. It&#039;s called Society Matters www.societymatters.org , and it&#039;s an attempt to convince the managers of the National Geographic Society that the future is not in soliciting more ads, but in networking the Society&#039;s members (which is declining). 

Just think: more than four million members, many of whom love photography. They are the target for the camera ads that Canon pays handsomely to display in the National Geographic Magazine. Why not turn this model around and aggregate their demand for photo gear? Why not help hordes of people buy the equipment to be &quot;citizen journalists&quot; -- and then organize their creative contributions into crowdsourced stories? or into local photojournalism clubs? or into a new publishing business that says: &quot;We know the line between amateur photographers and the pros is narrowing. But we don&#039;t want to horde our power and authority—we want to spread it around to you, our members.&quot; 

Why couldn&#039;t this work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generate Revenue By Aggregating Readers&#8217; Retail Demand:</p>
<p>In his comment here, CT Moore says: &#8220;So maybe publishers need to stop thinking about how advertisers can target their readers and start thinking about how they can use their readers to target advertisers.&#8221;</p>
<p>I totally agree. Instead of publishers standing with advertisers and asking: &#8220;How can we help you reach all those eyeballs?&#8221; &#8212; publishers need to ask: &#8220;How can we leverage the buying power of our readers?&#8221; Here&#8217;s one way: retail flash mobs. Use the newspaper&#8217;s platform to aggregate reader&#8217;s retail demand. For example: Buying a refrigerator this Saturday at Sears? So are a hundred other readers of [insert name of local newspaper here]. To save $50 on a Kenmore fridge, wouldn&#8217;t you pay $30 to be a subscriber/member of your local paper?</p>
<p>This is part of the logic behind a project I launched in June. It&#8217;s called Society Matters <a href="http://www.societymatters.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.societymatters.org</a> , and it&#8217;s an attempt to convince the managers of the National Geographic Society that the future is not in soliciting more ads, but in networking the Society&#8217;s members (which is declining). </p>
<p>Just think: more than four million members, many of whom love photography. They are the target for the camera ads that Canon pays handsomely to display in the National Geographic Magazine. Why not turn this model around and aggregate their demand for photo gear? Why not help hordes of people buy the equipment to be &#8220;citizen journalists&#8221; &#8212; and then organize their creative contributions into crowdsourced stories? or into local photojournalism clubs? or into a new publishing business that says: &#8220;We know the line between amateur photographers and the pros is narrowing. But we don&#8217;t want to horde our power and authority—we want to spread it around to you, our members.&#8221; </p>
<p>Why couldn&#8217;t this work?</p>
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		<title>By: V Patton</title>
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		<dc:creator>V Patton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious how this is deemed &quot;new.&quot;   A very similar technology was attempted in the late 1990s.  In fact, my former employer lost more than $30 million in the debacle of the &quot;CueCat.&quot;

Read about the CueCat history here: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CueCat

Regardless of whether it&#039;s RFID in the &quot;reader&quot; or the CueCat&#039;s bar code reader, you still seem to be requiring new hardware just to scan a few ads.  Unless this hardware capability can be incorporated in the next iPhone, you&#039;ll likely find customers unwilling to carry another limited-use gadget - just as they refused a decade ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious how this is deemed &#8220;new.&#8221;   A very similar technology was attempted in the late 1990s.  In fact, my former employer lost more than $30 million in the debacle of the &#8220;CueCat.&#8221;</p>
<p>Read about the CueCat history here:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CueCat" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CueCat</a></p>
<p>Regardless of whether it&#8217;s RFID in the &#8220;reader&#8221; or the CueCat&#8217;s bar code reader, you still seem to be requiring new hardware just to scan a few ads.  Unless this hardware capability can be incorporated in the next iPhone, you&#8217;ll likely find customers unwilling to carry another limited-use gadget &#8211; just as they refused a decade ago.</p>
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		<title>By: The New York Times &#8211; Custom Times &#171; Engenheiro Interativo</title>
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		<dc:creator>The New York Times &#8211; Custom Times &#171; Engenheiro Interativo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] O projeto também avalia o uso de RFID colados a revistas em jornais, nos quais o sensor de curta distância permite o reconhecimento do anunciante, exibindo conteúdo adicional em outra plataforma (link). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] O projeto também avalia o uso de RFID colados a revistas em jornais, nos quais o sensor de curta distância permite o reconhecimento do anunciante, exibindo conteúdo adicional em outra plataforma (link). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: onlain &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NYT abre las puertas a sus laboratorios</title>
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		<dc:creator>onlain &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NYT abre las puertas a sus laboratorios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] el video se ve una parte del tour que hicieron en Nieman por los laboratorios. Antes lo habían hecho más de 150 potenciales [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mining the Cloud — CT Moore Gypsy Bandito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mining the Cloud — CT Moore Gypsy Bandito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] An ad platform that could hyper-target according to both an internal user database and user-data aggregated via a third party APIs is something that could rival Google (or maybe even only be developed by them). So it&#8217;s unlikely to be developed by a content organization, so matter how social they are, or what kind of R&amp;D ad lab they have. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] An ad platform that could hyper-target according to both an internal user database and user-data aggregated via a third party APIs is something that could rival Google (or maybe even only be developed by them). So it&#8217;s unlikely to be developed by a content organization, so matter how social they are, or what kind of R&amp;D ad lab they have. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: In the Times R&#38;D Lab, the future of news is the future of advertising &#171; Fire EXIT</title>
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		<dc:creator>In the Times R&#38;D Lab, the future of news is the future of advertising &#171; Fire EXIT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] μμ on Ιουνίου 15, 2009 &#124; # &#124;  0  Tags:Business, Media   In the Times R&amp;D Lab, the future of news is the future of advertising   Our tour of The New York Times Co.’s research and development lab, which concludes with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] μμ on Ιουνίου 15, 2009 | # |  0  Tags:Business, Media   In the Times R&amp;D Lab, the future of news is the future of advertising   Our tour of The New York Times Co.’s research and development lab, which concludes with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nowinki &#187; Seven Things to Read Now</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nowinki &#187; Seven Things to Read Now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] NYTimes R&amp;D Labs Experiment with Advertising [...]</description>
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		<title>By: NYT Pushes Symbiotic Editorial &#124; Gypsy Bandito</title>
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		<dc:creator>NYT Pushes Symbiotic Editorial &#124; Gypsy Bandito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (as Vice Magazine has), and as the Nieman Journalism Lab recently documented, the NYT has an advertising R&amp;D lab that seems poised to evolve into just such a full-sevice marketing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (as Vice Magazine has), and as the Nieman Journalism Lab recently documented, the NYT has an advertising R&amp;D lab that seems poised to evolve into just such a full-sevice marketing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Realtime Targeting in The Stream &#124; Gypsy Bandito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Realtime Targeting in The Stream &#124; Gypsy Bandito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 18:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this post is the bastard child of a comment on the Nieman Journalism Lab and Nicholas Carr&#8217;s Realtime [...]</description>
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		<title>By: CT Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>CT Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 18:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one concerned that a lot of these guys assume that people consistently &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; to consume advertising?

A tikitag RFID chip? Really? I&#039;m going to buy a piece of hardware so that I can scan a print ad to see more ads?

Expandable ads? Right, because I love road-blocks so much that I&#039;m going to put them up myself...

Maybe the problem is that everyone is still thinking in terms of &quot;advertising&quot; instead of &quot;marketing.&quot; I mean, &quot;advertising is what happened when we were blind, when all we had to go on was imperfect information and educated guesses about the audiences, and physical spaces to use. But content... content is now &lt;i&gt;dynamic&lt;/i&gt;. It exists in real-time in the stream, and publishers (if they&#039;re smart, if they&#039;re &lt;i&gt;strategic&lt;/i&gt;) can actually amass more practical information about their audience than some government agencies. I mean, the smart-ones, the &lt;i&gt;strategic&lt;/i&gt; publishers have so much information that they have to hire database-miners!

So maybe publishers need to stop thinking about how advertisers can target their readers and start thinking about how they can use their readers to target advertisers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one concerned that a lot of these guys assume that people consistently <i>want</i> to consume advertising?</p>
<p>A tikitag RFID chip? Really? I&#8217;m going to buy a piece of hardware so that I can scan a print ad to see more ads?</p>
<p>Expandable ads? Right, because I love road-blocks so much that I&#8217;m going to put them up myself&#8230;</p>
<p>Maybe the problem is that everyone is still thinking in terms of &#8220;advertising&#8221; instead of &#8220;marketing.&#8221; I mean, &#8220;advertising is what happened when we were blind, when all we had to go on was imperfect information and educated guesses about the audiences, and physical spaces to use. But content&#8230; content is now <i>dynamic</i>. It exists in real-time in the stream, and publishers (if they&#8217;re smart, if they&#8217;re <i>strategic</i>) can actually amass more practical information about their audience than some government agencies. I mean, the smart-ones, the <i>strategic</i> publishers have so much information that they have to hire database-miners!</p>
<p>So maybe publishers need to stop thinking about how advertisers can target their readers and start thinking about how they can use their readers to target advertisers.</p>
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