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	<title>Comments on: Resolved: Newspapers could die. Now what? A panel in Baltimore</title>
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		<title>By: MichaelJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trick is to redefine &quot;But for now, that’s a real impediment–the small businesses that should be supporting these things are all hunkered down for now and not spending money,” Potts says.&quot;

Small business will be glad to invest money in ads as long as they can see that they work to get people in the store and money in the cash register.

So then the trick is to focus on that piece.

One approach might be to act as a &quot;partner&quot; for small business. Align incentives. If the people come in, the newspaper gets paid. If not, then not so much.

That will get everyone to have skin in the game, and the resistance to spending will melt away.

Selling advertising has to be reframed as enabling commerce. Terry Heaton at the POMO blog, has been on this soapbox for a long time.

It could mean that newspapers can partner with other local enterprises that service business. It could be cable channels, radio, and local commercial printers. It could also be some big box stores : Staples, Office Max, Office Depot or even the Costco or WalMarts of the world.

My personal favorite would be to see newspapers to partner with local high schools. Educating a community or education a high school community requires the same things. The only difference is that in high school the content is aligned to educational standards, instead of the news cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trick is to redefine &#8220;But for now, that’s a real impediment–the small businesses that should be supporting these things are all hunkered down for now and not spending money,” Potts says.&#8221;</p>
<p>Small business will be glad to invest money in ads as long as they can see that they work to get people in the store and money in the cash register.</p>
<p>So then the trick is to focus on that piece.</p>
<p>One approach might be to act as a &#8220;partner&#8221; for small business. Align incentives. If the people come in, the newspaper gets paid. If not, then not so much.</p>
<p>That will get everyone to have skin in the game, and the resistance to spending will melt away.</p>
<p>Selling advertising has to be reframed as enabling commerce. Terry Heaton at the POMO blog, has been on this soapbox for a long time.</p>
<p>It could mean that newspapers can partner with other local enterprises that service business. It could be cable channels, radio, and local commercial printers. It could also be some big box stores : Staples, Office Max, Office Depot or even the Costco or WalMarts of the world.</p>
<p>My personal favorite would be to see newspapers to partner with local high schools. Educating a community or education a high school community requires the same things. The only difference is that in high school the content is aligned to educational standards, instead of the news cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: Emergency summit on Baltimore journalism: anger, grief and not much relief - Baltimore Brew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emergency summit on Baltimore journalism: anger, grief and not much relief - Baltimore Brew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] related links: * Tim Windsor at Nieman Journalism Lab. * More by Windsor. * City Paper&#8217;s take * Web blogger Dave [...]</description>
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		<title>By: What happens after newspapers? Reporting, apparently, still gets done &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>What happens after newspapers? Reporting, apparently, still gets done &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a recent symposium sponsored by The University of Maryland in Baltimore, a panel of esteemed journalists wrestled with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tracy @ WSB</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy @ WSB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said in an NPR interview that aired last week, the declaration that we who do neighborhood news in blog format (we are NOT &quot;bloggers,&quot; we are journalists, thank you very much) can&#039;t &quot;fill the void left behind by newspapers&quot; is insulting -- many of us are filling a void that existed BEFORE newspapers started withering, because the real neighborhood news wasn&#039;t getting covered. I&#039;ve spent the past two years covering meetings that seldom if ever saw a reporter before, writing about road work, development projects, &quot;what&#039;s coming to that empty storefront,&quot; &quot;what&#039;s that helicopter circling my neighborhood,&quot; who took out a permit yesterday, who got a great photo of the baby owl in a local park, and much more. 

It&#039;s also rather insulting when panels are organized in the way described here - where somebody who is not currently helming a successful neighborhood-news operation is expected to speak for all those of us who are. Oh, and don&#039;t confuse EveryBlock, Outside.in, etc., with &quot;hyperlocal.&quot; They aggregate what people like me do. They don&#039;t do it themselves. Having any of them speak for hyperlocal is like asking Google to speak for the New York Times. If you&#039;re having a panel and you have credible neighborhood-news site operators in your city, invite one or two of them. Is it really &quot;choosing&quot;? Do you not have one or two who are at the top in terms of traffic, quality, volume of material produced?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said in an NPR interview that aired last week, the declaration that we who do neighborhood news in blog format (we are NOT &#8220;bloggers,&#8221; we are journalists, thank you very much) can&#8217;t &#8220;fill the void left behind by newspapers&#8221; is insulting &#8212; many of us are filling a void that existed BEFORE newspapers started withering, because the real neighborhood news wasn&#8217;t getting covered. I&#8217;ve spent the past two years covering meetings that seldom if ever saw a reporter before, writing about road work, development projects, &#8220;what&#8217;s coming to that empty storefront,&#8221; &#8220;what&#8217;s that helicopter circling my neighborhood,&#8221; who took out a permit yesterday, who got a great photo of the baby owl in a local park, and much more. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also rather insulting when panels are organized in the way described here &#8211; where somebody who is not currently helming a successful neighborhood-news operation is expected to speak for all those of us who are. Oh, and don&#8217;t confuse EveryBlock, Outside.in, etc., with &#8220;hyperlocal.&#8221; They aggregate what people like me do. They don&#8217;t do it themselves. Having any of them speak for hyperlocal is like asking Google to speak for the New York Times. If you&#8217;re having a panel and you have credible neighborhood-news site operators in your city, invite one or two of them. Is it really &#8220;choosing&#8221;? Do you not have one or two who are at the top in terms of traffic, quality, volume of material produced?</p>
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		<title>By: John Zhu</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Zhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 16:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the last two posts: Read the journalism-related posts on my blog, you&#039;ll see pretty quickly that I&#039;ve never believed that serious news reporting can be done for free or just in somebody&#039;s spare time. That&#039;s why I say &quot;a handful of serious news blogs&quot; because I don&#039;t expect there to be enough revenue to support more than a small number of full-time, decently paid journalists in any one city outside of the likes of New York. Sure, there will be some contributions from people doing it for free in their spare time, but you can&#039;t count on that.

@Frank Roylance: As you say, the Baltimore newsroom is down to 148, not the 420 of a decade ago. That&#039;s obviously not a good thing, but if we are talking about filling a void left by the death of a newspaper, let&#039;s talk about the paper in its present size and scope, not what it used to be. Then, take away design, photography, and other positions that are basically production functions, and the number gets even lower. I&#039;m not devaluing those positions and their importance to a newspaper (I was a newspaper designer once). I&#039;m simply saying let&#039;s boil that newsroom number down to people doing reporting if we are to do a comparison, since a blog has no need for a designer, a graphic artist, a photographer a (relatively) large number of copy editors, or layers of management. And then, take the number you have after applying that filter, and cull it to only people who are reporting on local news (as opposed to regional stuff, features, sports, entertainment, opinion, etc.), that&#039;s the number to proceed from when talking about serious news blogs filling the gap.

Second, and more importantly, I DON&#039;T envision a handful of blogs duplicating what a newsroom of 148 does. Plainly, they can&#039;t. What I do envision is that the handful of serious news blogs will take up what is supposedly the core mission of the newspaper -- government watchdog. That network won&#039;t provide you with coverage of local sports, features, etc. But then again, newspapers never boast about those things as reasons why their continued existence is so important. If and when a local newspaper disappears, you are not going to have a big, monolithic entity or network moving into that void with a product that tries to be all-encompassing like the daily paper did. Instead, it will be a smattering of small, niche entities, each filling up a little piece of the vacuum. 

Of course, what this means is that some areas will inevitably not be covered as much as before, while other areas might get better coverage than before -- in essence, sort of like the way a newspaper works now (unless you want to argue that newspapers cover everything equally). How this will work out will vary wildly from place to place, and that&#039;s why I say I&#039;m more worried about smaller towns than larger metro areas, since bigger population = more people running blogs &amp; niche sites + more attention from national sources like AP, ESPN, etc. = better chance a particular topic will be covered. We will probably also see a change in reader behavior and expectations in what is and isn&#039;t worth covering. For instance, people are already going to Citysearch or Yelp instead of newspapers or news sites for restaurant reviews. And of course newspapers have long since lost their status as the place people go to for commentary. Maybe 5-10 years after a daily newspaper dies, readers will no longer expect their kids&#039; sporting events to be covered by a &quot;professional&quot; organization. Maybe local organizations will find other sites and forums through which to publicize their events and news. Reader behavior and expectations, like everything else, evolves.

Also, I say I&#039;m not worried about government watchdog coverage in big cities because, as far as journalism goes, that&#039;s the sexy stuff. If people are going to try to fill the void left by the death of newspapers, whether it&#039;s with pro and amateur blogs, nonprofit organizations, or new start-ups, big city government watchdog is going to be the obvious, low-hanging fruit to focus on. On the other hand, few would think of building a nonprofit or start-up to cover Podunkville politics (and the amount of ad revenue to support something like that in Podunkville would be significantly smaller too). That&#039;s why I think the loss of a daily newspaper will have a bigger impact on smaller towns than big cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the last two posts: Read the journalism-related posts on my blog, you&#8217;ll see pretty quickly that I&#8217;ve never believed that serious news reporting can be done for free or just in somebody&#8217;s spare time. That&#8217;s why I say &#8220;a handful of serious news blogs&#8221; because I don&#8217;t expect there to be enough revenue to support more than a small number of full-time, decently paid journalists in any one city outside of the likes of New York. Sure, there will be some contributions from people doing it for free in their spare time, but you can&#8217;t count on that.</p>
<p>@Frank Roylance: As you say, the Baltimore newsroom is down to 148, not the 420 of a decade ago. That&#8217;s obviously not a good thing, but if we are talking about filling a void left by the death of a newspaper, let&#8217;s talk about the paper in its present size and scope, not what it used to be. Then, take away design, photography, and other positions that are basically production functions, and the number gets even lower. I&#8217;m not devaluing those positions and their importance to a newspaper (I was a newspaper designer once). I&#8217;m simply saying let&#8217;s boil that newsroom number down to people doing reporting if we are to do a comparison, since a blog has no need for a designer, a graphic artist, a photographer a (relatively) large number of copy editors, or layers of management. And then, take the number you have after applying that filter, and cull it to only people who are reporting on local news (as opposed to regional stuff, features, sports, entertainment, opinion, etc.), that&#8217;s the number to proceed from when talking about serious news blogs filling the gap.</p>
<p>Second, and more importantly, I DON&#8217;T envision a handful of blogs duplicating what a newsroom of 148 does. Plainly, they can&#8217;t. What I do envision is that the handful of serious news blogs will take up what is supposedly the core mission of the newspaper &#8212; government watchdog. That network won&#8217;t provide you with coverage of local sports, features, etc. But then again, newspapers never boast about those things as reasons why their continued existence is so important. If and when a local newspaper disappears, you are not going to have a big, monolithic entity or network moving into that void with a product that tries to be all-encompassing like the daily paper did. Instead, it will be a smattering of small, niche entities, each filling up a little piece of the vacuum. </p>
<p>Of course, what this means is that some areas will inevitably not be covered as much as before, while other areas might get better coverage than before &#8212; in essence, sort of like the way a newspaper works now (unless you want to argue that newspapers cover everything equally). How this will work out will vary wildly from place to place, and that&#8217;s why I say I&#8217;m more worried about smaller towns than larger metro areas, since bigger population = more people running blogs &amp; niche sites + more attention from national sources like AP, ESPN, etc. = better chance a particular topic will be covered. We will probably also see a change in reader behavior and expectations in what is and isn&#8217;t worth covering. For instance, people are already going to Citysearch or Yelp instead of newspapers or news sites for restaurant reviews. And of course newspapers have long since lost their status as the place people go to for commentary. Maybe 5-10 years after a daily newspaper dies, readers will no longer expect their kids&#8217; sporting events to be covered by a &#8220;professional&#8221; organization. Maybe local organizations will find other sites and forums through which to publicize their events and news. Reader behavior and expectations, like everything else, evolves.</p>
<p>Also, I say I&#8217;m not worried about government watchdog coverage in big cities because, as far as journalism goes, that&#8217;s the sexy stuff. If people are going to try to fill the void left by the death of newspapers, whether it&#8217;s with pro and amateur blogs, nonprofit organizations, or new start-ups, big city government watchdog is going to be the obvious, low-hanging fruit to focus on. On the other hand, few would think of building a nonprofit or start-up to cover Podunkville politics (and the amount of ad revenue to support something like that in Podunkville would be significantly smaller too). That&#8217;s why I think the loss of a daily newspaper will have a bigger impact on smaller towns than big cities.</p>
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		<title>By: French</title>
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		<dc:creator>French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 09:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>couldn&#039;t agree more, putting your faith in &quot;serious local news blogs&quot; is nonsense. click through to the Clay Shirky piece. Worth the effort. the question is, how are we going to pay people to produce news? commentary is a dime a dozen but actually going out and finding/breaking news costs money. specialist sites/pubs are thriving in this environment but general news is highly vulnerable. As clay says, who is going to pay for the &#039;baghdad bureau&#039;? i&#039;m increasingly becoming convinced that this thing is going full circle -- back to the era where the AP is the &#039;baghdad bureau&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>couldn&#8217;t agree more, putting your faith in &#8220;serious local news blogs&#8221; is nonsense. click through to the Clay Shirky piece. Worth the effort. the question is, how are we going to pay people to produce news? commentary is a dime a dozen but actually going out and finding/breaking news costs money. specialist sites/pubs are thriving in this environment but general news is highly vulnerable. As clay says, who is going to pay for the &#8216;baghdad bureau&#8217;? i&#8217;m increasingly becoming convinced that this thing is going full circle &#8212; back to the era where the AP is the &#8216;baghdad bureau&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Roylance</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/05/resolved-newspapers-are-dying-now-what/comment-page-1/#comment-16809</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Roylance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m dense, but how the devil does John Zhu think &quot;a handful of serious local news blogs&quot; are going to fill in a gap left by a newsroom of 420 trained, professional actually-gathering-news-and-earning-a-living-at-it journalists, which is what The Sun had a decade ago? (It&#039;s down to 148 now.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m dense, but how the devil does John Zhu think &#8220;a handful of serious local news blogs&#8221; are going to fill in a gap left by a newsroom of 420 trained, professional actually-gathering-news-and-earning-a-living-at-it journalists, which is what The Sun had a decade ago? (It&#8217;s down to 148 now.)</p>
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		<title>By: John Zhu</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Zhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 17:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if the newspaper industry does go away, I&#039;m not concerned about coverage for metro areas like Baltimore, Seattle, etc. There are big enough populations and infrastructure in these places that I&#039;m fairly certain each will have at least a handful of serious local news blogs to help fill the void. I think looking at such places is the wrong approach when examining what comes after newspapers. Instead, we should look at smaller towns that are currently being served by one small daily newspaper. To me, it&#039;s far less certain that a hyperlocal news network would spring up in places like that, and those are the places that will hurt most when the local daily closes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if the newspaper industry does go away, I&#8217;m not concerned about coverage for metro areas like Baltimore, Seattle, etc. There are big enough populations and infrastructure in these places that I&#8217;m fairly certain each will have at least a handful of serious local news blogs to help fill the void. I think looking at such places is the wrong approach when examining what comes after newspapers. Instead, we should look at smaller towns that are currently being served by one small daily newspaper. To me, it&#8217;s far less certain that a hyperlocal news network would spring up in places like that, and those are the places that will hurt most when the local daily closes.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Holmes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just love the phrase Big Iron. So many connotations ...</description>
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		<title>By: Stacy Spaulding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacy Spaulding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand Banisky&#039;s reluctance to include local bloggers. If the aim of the panel is to discuss local options for communities without newspapers, then why not fill the table with passionate bloggers working outside of the local mainstream media? They are the ones best able to educate us about our local news options, rather than those tied into and responsible for the current--and dying--economic model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand Banisky&#8217;s reluctance to include local bloggers. If the aim of the panel is to discuss local options for communities without newspapers, then why not fill the table with passionate bloggers working outside of the local mainstream media? They are the ones best able to educate us about our local news options, rather than those tied into and responsible for the current&#8211;and dying&#8211;economic model.</p>
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