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		<title>By: Link Roundup: The importance of blogs and blog-like interactions for journalism sites &#124; Boldly Play</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/06/what-counts-more-than-desig/comment-page-1/#comment-75027</link>
		<dc:creator>Link Roundup: The importance of blogs and blog-like interactions for journalism sites &#124; Boldly Play</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: News website FAIL &#171; Mediascaper</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/06/what-counts-more-than-desig/comment-page-1/#comment-23566</link>
		<dc:creator>News website FAIL &#171; Mediascaper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the end of a separate post about attracting an online news audience, Langeveld emphasizes that communication, not design for its own sake, should be foremost on the mind of those who run news websites: It’s not about how sexy-looking [...]</description>
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<p>[...] the end of a separate post about attracting an online news audience, Langeveld emphasizes that communication, not design for its own sake, should be foremost on the mind of those who run news websites: It’s not about how sexy-looking [...]</p>
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		<title>By: If you were starting a news organization, where would you put your initial efforts? &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>If you were starting a news organization, where would you put your initial efforts? &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] continuing my response to Phil Buckley&#8217;s excellent question: &#8220;If you were starting a news organization today, where would put your initial [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hq</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/06/what-counts-more-than-desig/comment-page-1/#comment-21756</link>
		<dc:creator>Hq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Martin and Readers,

(I just discovered Neiman Lab.) This is an old post but the content and comments were very compelling. I thought everyone might be interested in this short TEDTalk on how design can save news&#039;papers&#039;.

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/jacek_utko_asks_can_design_save_the_newspaper.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Martin and Readers,</p>
<p>(I just discovered Neiman Lab.) This is an old post but the content and comments were very compelling. I thought everyone might be interested in this short TEDTalk on how design can save news&#8217;papers&#8217;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/jacek_utko_asks_can_design_save_the_newspaper.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/jacek_utko_asks_can_design_save_the_newspaper.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Comma &#8216;n Sentence &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Museum-Quality Magazines for the Masses?</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/06/what-counts-more-than-desig/comment-page-1/#comment-21029</link>
		<dc:creator>Comma &#8216;n Sentence &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Museum-Quality Magazines for the Masses?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Langevald, of the Neiman Journalism Lab, thinks that design is not the only thing attracting an audience to an online publication. For him, connecting with the audience is more important than impressing readers with design. He [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Langevald, of the Neiman Journalism Lab, thinks that design is not the only thing attracting an audience to an online publication. For him, connecting with the audience is more important than impressing readers with design. He [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Barkow</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/06/what-counts-more-than-desig/comment-page-1/#comment-20948</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Barkow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably the easiest first step is for news orgs and journalists to recognize that participation in comment threads (just as you&#039;re doing here) is a mandatory (and natural) part of writing the story.

Once you&#039;re there and interacting, you can start to build that community and relationship with your readership. 

And once you&#039;ve built the relationship, it will become relatively easy to discern what new beats and data-driven projects your readers want from you. 

Just one step to start changing your business model. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably the easiest first step is for news orgs and journalists to recognize that participation in comment threads (just as you&#8217;re doing here) is a mandatory (and natural) part of writing the story.</p>
<p>Once you&#8217;re there and interacting, you can start to build that community and relationship with your readership. </p>
<p>And once you&#8217;ve built the relationship, it will become relatively easy to discern what new beats and data-driven projects your readers want from you. </p>
<p>Just one step to start changing your business model. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Could strategic bankruptcies be needed to transform U.S. newspaper enterprises? &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Could strategic bankruptcies be needed to transform U.S. newspaper enterprises? &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a comment on the second post, Phil Buckley, whose commentary I had quoted and linked to, asked: &#8220;If you were starting a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jardenberg kommenterar &#8211; 2009-06-27 — jardenberg unedited</title>
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		<dc:creator>jardenberg kommenterar &#8211; 2009-06-27 — jardenberg unedited</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What counts more than design in attracting an online news audience? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Martin Langeveld</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/06/what-counts-more-than-desig/comment-page-1/#comment-20591</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Langeveld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, your question &quot;If you were starting a news organization today, where would put your initial efforts?&quot; will probably inspire another post -- thanks!

Readers: Phil Buckley is the Phil mentioned in the post, of 1918.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, your question &#8220;If you were starting a news organization today, where would put your initial efforts?&#8221; will probably inspire another post &#8212; thanks!</p>
<p>Readers: Phil Buckley is the Phil mentioned in the post, of 1918.com</p>
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		<title>By: Perry Gaskill</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/06/what-counts-more-than-desig/comment-page-1/#comment-20590</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry Gaskill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post, Martin. Personally, I wouldn&#039;t discount too much the element of design for the user experience; there seems to be a predominance of design-by-committee news websites around which could be much better.

On the other hand, I agree that mainstream news websites need to engage readers and establish a two-way dialogue. Individual situations obviously vary, but what I&#039;m seeing lately is not the lack of means to comment on stories or contact reporters. Rather it&#039;s that the story content is not compelling enough to prompt a response. Why this is true raises yet another set of complex issues: some are stylistic, some are technical.

As a matter of moving the subject of reader engagement forward, I think journalists should be looking at the two following basic questions:

The first is how do you determine in any given market when the existing news platform has become so out of touch with its readership that it is no longer worth continuing? On one hand, you might have an organization with decades of collective wisdom about a given community it would be a shame to jettison. On the other, that same organization may have grown so elitist that it will never recover the base of reader loyalty it might once have had.

The second is what are the most functional topics and most appropriate scale for reader dialogue? Broad-based reader dialogue is nothing new and goes back at least as far as FidoNet. To this day, no one has really gotten a handle on what makes a &quot;good&quot; reader group. Groups targeted at topics too tiny to matter go moribund because no one engages. Others reach and maintain a critical mass which provide lively, informed, and congenial discussion from a variety of viewpoints. Still others reach and go beyond critical mass until they become so large that the reader group becomes more concerned with maintaining consensus than it does with listening to informed but dissenting voices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post, Martin. Personally, I wouldn&#8217;t discount too much the element of design for the user experience; there seems to be a predominance of design-by-committee news websites around which could be much better.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I agree that mainstream news websites need to engage readers and establish a two-way dialogue. Individual situations obviously vary, but what I&#8217;m seeing lately is not the lack of means to comment on stories or contact reporters. Rather it&#8217;s that the story content is not compelling enough to prompt a response. Why this is true raises yet another set of complex issues: some are stylistic, some are technical.</p>
<p>As a matter of moving the subject of reader engagement forward, I think journalists should be looking at the two following basic questions:</p>
<p>The first is how do you determine in any given market when the existing news platform has become so out of touch with its readership that it is no longer worth continuing? On one hand, you might have an organization with decades of collective wisdom about a given community it would be a shame to jettison. On the other, that same organization may have grown so elitist that it will never recover the base of reader loyalty it might once have had.</p>
<p>The second is what are the most functional topics and most appropriate scale for reader dialogue? Broad-based reader dialogue is nothing new and goes back at least as far as FidoNet. To this day, no one has really gotten a handle on what makes a &#8220;good&#8221; reader group. Groups targeted at topics too tiny to matter go moribund because no one engages. Others reach and maintain a critical mass which provide lively, informed, and congenial discussion from a variety of viewpoints. Still others reach and go beyond critical mass until they become so large that the reader group becomes more concerned with maintaining consensus than it does with listening to informed but dissenting voices.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Buckley</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/06/what-counts-more-than-desig/comment-page-1/#comment-20589</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Buckley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it must be a combination of better, more streamlined design and a cultural change within the newspaper industry.

I think in 10 years we&#039;ll be looking back at this era the way we now look back at the first few years of cell phones and realize that change was coming no matter what the old established players did.

If you were starting a news organization today, where would put your initial efforts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it must be a combination of better, more streamlined design and a cultural change within the newspaper industry.</p>
<p>I think in 10 years we&#8217;ll be looking back at this era the way we now look back at the first few years of cell phones and realize that change was coming no matter what the old established players did.</p>
<p>If you were starting a news organization today, where would put your initial efforts?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Langeveld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Langeveld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Preston, I don&#039;t claim that design has no effect.  But it&#039;s not as strong an effect as designers claim.  The poll you link to says only 25% of users would be driven away from a site by &quot;poor visual presentation&quot; (whatever they may understand by that term).  The other 75% would not be, it seems.  And the poll did not include measurements of social engagement or the more intangible values of community connectedness and personality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Preston, I don&#8217;t claim that design has no effect.  But it&#8217;s not as strong an effect as designers claim.  The poll you link to says only 25% of users would be driven away from a site by &#8220;poor visual presentation&#8221; (whatever they may understand by that term).  The other 75% would not be, it seems.  And the poll did not include measurements of social engagement or the more intangible values of community connectedness and personality.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/06/what-counts-more-than-desig/comment-page-1/#comment-20571</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re not connecting with your audience, no amount of good design can save you.

However, if you&#039;re saying design has no effect on numbers, I would have to disagree:

http://www.webdesignerwall.com/general/users-place-more-weight-on-design/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re not connecting with your audience, no amount of good design can save you.</p>
<p>However, if you&#8217;re saying design has no effect on numbers, I would have to disagree:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.webdesignerwall.com/general/users-place-more-weight-on-design/" rel="nofollow">http://www.webdesignerwall.com/general/users-place-more-weight-on-design/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard L. Floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard L. Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,

Another terrific post.  I also seldom go on NPR&#039;s site, but I know it is there and can go if I want to or need to.  So engaging people and building community is the key.  I learned that as a pastor..

-Rick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>Another terrific post.  I also seldom go on NPR&#8217;s site, but I know it is there and can go if I want to or need to.  So engaging people and building community is the key.  I learned that as a pastor..</p>
<p>-Rick</p>
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