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		<title>By: Jim Hopkins&#8217; Gannett Blog: a useful watchblog finds its niche; should others emulate its &#8220;water cooler&#8221;? » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Hopkins&#8217; Gannett Blog: a useful watchblog finds its niche; should others emulate its &#8220;water cooler&#8221;? » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 14:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] year in this space, I took a swipe at Gannett Blog, a &#8220;watchblog&#8221; published by ex-Gannett journalist Jim Hopkins of San [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Human Trend &#187; &#8216;Adios, Gannett Blog; where are other watchblogs?&#8217;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Human Trend &#187; &#8216;Adios, Gannett Blog; where are other watchblogs?&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Wenalway</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/adios-gannettblog-where-are-the-rest-of-the-watchblogs/comment-page-1/#comment-22238</link>
		<dc:creator>Wenalway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add a note about Hopkins&#039; blog, since he claims it&#039;s going to be &quot;locked in place&quot; in a day:

Although I have never worked for Gannett, there is a day filled with derogatory posts naming me, simply because I dared to post with my name at Jim&#039;s site. Because Jim is a poor moderator who believes he can do no wrong, he has deleted my posts, but he has left the other posts.

No one with much journalism sense would do this. I have e-mailed him about this matter, but he refuses to respond.

Jim Hopkins isn&#039;t on some crusade against evil. He&#039;s on a delusional power trip, and he doesn&#039;t care about laid-off employees or declining newsrooms. His blog is about him and the lemmings he can get to agree with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add a note about Hopkins&#8217; blog, since he claims it&#8217;s going to be &#8220;locked in place&#8221; in a day:</p>
<p>Although I have never worked for Gannett, there is a day filled with derogatory posts naming me, simply because I dared to post with my name at Jim&#8217;s site. Because Jim is a poor moderator who believes he can do no wrong, he has deleted my posts, but he has left the other posts.</p>
<p>No one with much journalism sense would do this. I have e-mailed him about this matter, but he refuses to respond.</p>
<p>Jim Hopkins isn&#8217;t on some crusade against evil. He&#8217;s on a delusional power trip, and he doesn&#8217;t care about laid-off employees or declining newsrooms. His blog is about him and the lemmings he can get to agree with him.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/adios-gannettblog-where-are-the-rest-of-the-watchblogs/comment-page-1/#comment-22166</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: blogs about Tribune, a couple of blogs monitor news at the Orlando Sentinel, one of the Tribune papers. The posts are sporadic, though.

They are:
http://eyeonthesentinel.blogspot.com/
http://amazingshrinkingsentinel.blogspot.com/

And don&#039;t forget www.tellzell.com. Its content is outdated, but it does provide some backstory to the Tribune drama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: blogs about Tribune, a couple of blogs monitor news at the Orlando Sentinel, one of the Tribune papers. The posts are sporadic, though.</p>
<p>They are:<br />
<a href="http://eyeonthesentinel.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://eyeonthesentinel.blogspot.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://amazingshrinkingsentinel.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://amazingshrinkingsentinel.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>And don&#8217;t forget <a href="http://www.tellzell.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tellzell.com</a>. Its content is outdated, but it does provide some backstory to the Tribune drama.</p>
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		<title>By: Wenalway</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/adios-gannettblog-where-are-the-rest-of-the-watchblogs/comment-page-1/#comment-22165</link>
		<dc:creator>Wenalway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Summary of Paul Gillin&#039;s comment: It doesn&#039;t matter how many flaws there were in Jim&#039;s approach or demeanor. People HAVE to thank Jim! In other words, it&#039;s the same logic we hear defending messy journalism all the time. Also, Jim received some money, which he blew during his paranoia.

And Richard Michem gives us a new rationalization: People HAD to post anonymous attacks, or they would have killed scores of people!

Newsrooms apparently have not changed. People keep using weak justifications for anything they do. No wonder the industry is failing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Summary of Paul Gillin&#8217;s comment: It doesn&#8217;t matter how many flaws there were in Jim&#8217;s approach or demeanor. People HAVE to thank Jim! In other words, it&#8217;s the same logic we hear defending messy journalism all the time. Also, Jim received some money, which he blew during his paranoia.</p>
<p>And Richard Michem gives us a new rationalization: People HAD to post anonymous attacks, or they would have killed scores of people!</p>
<p>Newsrooms apparently have not changed. People keep using weak justifications for anything they do. No wonder the industry is failing.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Michem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Michem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, I glad, you guy listen, to me when back in October, I  suggest, to NiemanWatchdog, that you start and follow Jim&#039;s blob.  Now as the only person who has total objectivity to ALL PARTY&#039;S who posted, at &quot;the Gannett&#039;s Blog, and  who probably the second most  criticize person, who posted at Jim&#039;s blog.  Let me add my two cent worth.  For the record, I have never met Jim in person,.   Gannett&#039;s Blog was a good way for fired  or piss off   Gannett&#039;s people to let off steam. How many layoff Gannett&#039;s people, would have, went out and got drunk, got in an accidents and killed someone, or beat their spouses, kids, who ever happen to be wandering by.Who know  if a GCI employee that was fired, would have went into the former newspapers were they were let go from, and  start shooting to murder their former boss and other people, who happen to be in the way.  If Jim&#039;s blog was not around, for then to vent their anger at Gannett.  As far as people inside Gannett,(no I do not work for then), upper levels were concern,, from what my sources tell me, they were somewhat afraid.  It would not surprise me if some of the put down of Jim, was the results of upper management  directives (more about this later, in another story, another place). Their was another blog, which this forum fell to mention, &quot; Gannettblogthatsucks&quot;,(yes i know who started it) who so purpose , was to put down   Jim (me to) and everything that was  posted in his blog. I still have questions, about the sincerity, of Gannettoid.com, that is going to take the place of Jim Blog. The fact that this person still is working for Gannett, concern me. This person also,    seem reluctant, to answer any of my  questions or confirm to me who they are(I have an idea )?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, I glad, you guy listen, to me when back in October, I  suggest, to NiemanWatchdog, that you start and follow Jim&#8217;s blob.  Now as the only person who has total objectivity to ALL PARTY&#8217;S who posted, at &#8220;the Gannett&#8217;s Blog, and  who probably the second most  criticize person, who posted at Jim&#8217;s blog.  Let me add my two cent worth.  For the record, I have never met Jim in person,.   Gannett&#8217;s Blog was a good way for fired  or piss off   Gannett&#8217;s people to let off steam. How many layoff Gannett&#8217;s people, would have, went out and got drunk, got in an accidents and killed someone, or beat their spouses, kids, who ever happen to be wandering by.Who know  if a GCI employee that was fired, would have went into the former newspapers were they were let go from, and  start shooting to murder their former boss and other people, who happen to be in the way.  If Jim&#8217;s blog was not around, for then to vent their anger at Gannett.  As far as people inside Gannett,(no I do not work for then), upper levels were concern,, from what my sources tell me, they were somewhat afraid.  It would not surprise me if some of the put down of Jim, was the results of upper management  directives (more about this later, in another story, another place). Their was another blog, which this forum fell to mention, &#8221; Gannettblogthatsucks&#8221;,(yes i know who started it) who so purpose , was to put down   Jim (me to) and everything that was  posted in his blog. I still have questions, about the sincerity, of Gannettoid.com, that is going to take the place of Jim Blog. The fact that this person still is working for Gannett, concern me. This person also,    seem reluctant, to answer any of my  questions or confirm to me who they are(I have an idea )?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Gillin</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/adios-gannettblog-where-are-the-rest-of-the-watchblogs/comment-page-1/#comment-22137</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Gillin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a shame this debate has degenerated into name-calling, because I think the experience of Gannett Blog has been a fascinating microcosm of the promises and perils of new media. Having written a book about blogger influence a couple of years ago, I&#039;ve watched this story with particular fascination. 

It&#039;s clear that Gannett Blog’s success was a surprise to everyone, including Jim Hopkins. As activity exploded, he was faced with the difficult decision of whether to try to take the blog’s celebrity to the next level or keep it as an interesting sidelight.  Jim tried to make a run at a sustainable financial model last fall through a kind of tip jar approach, but that ran into the same problems that all publishers encounter these days: people don&#039;t want to pay for news.  

Faced with the prospect of continuing to sustain the effort on a labor of love basis while also becoming a lightning rod for criticism, Jim made a reasonable decision in my view.  If he’s been a little dramatic in winding down the operation, I can understand that. Gannett Blog has provided a valuable service for many Gannett employees for two years, but no one is willing or able to step up and support the effort. It&#039;s not surprising that Jim is pointing out what they&#039;re about to lose.

Whether or not you agree with the way Jim has handled comments from readers, it&#039;s clear that this blog has taxed the limits of one man&#039;s ability to give without compensation.  He deserves thanks and respect for all he is put into the effort.

To address Martin&#039;s comment about the lack of watchdogs, the problem is that no one wants to pay watchdogs.  My own blogging activities on Newspaper Death Watch have consumed hundreds of hours of time over the last 27 months while yielding a few hundred dollars in advertising revenue and no meaningful business opportunities. That&#039;s okay. I do it because I love it, but if my family’s livelihood were ever at stake, it&#039;s the first activity I would have to jettison.  

That&#039;s where this story is also a microcosm of the industry.  Newspapers are the watchdogs of our institutions, but their financial predicament makes that role less and less viable.  It would be nice to look to the blogosphere for salvation, but those who choose a watchdog role must also face up to the realities of the market.  New media has yet to figure out a viable financial model for watchdogs, and it may never do so.  For the time being, we are increasingly delegating that function to people like Jim Hopkins, who can only give so much.

In any case, thank you, Martin, for the shout-out and the kind words.  In the category of silent watchdogs I would include Tell Zell (www.tellzell.com), a witty and pugnacious blog by a Los Angeles Times staffer that suddenly fell silent nine months ago.  Rumor was that management threatened the anonymous author with unemployment if he continued.  I have no idea if the rumor is true.  Who&#039;s got time to check all this stuff out, anyway? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a shame this debate has degenerated into name-calling, because I think the experience of Gannett Blog has been a fascinating microcosm of the promises and perils of new media. Having written a book about blogger influence a couple of years ago, I&#8217;ve watched this story with particular fascination. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear that Gannett Blog’s success was a surprise to everyone, including Jim Hopkins. As activity exploded, he was faced with the difficult decision of whether to try to take the blog’s celebrity to the next level or keep it as an interesting sidelight.  Jim tried to make a run at a sustainable financial model last fall through a kind of tip jar approach, but that ran into the same problems that all publishers encounter these days: people don&#8217;t want to pay for news.  </p>
<p>Faced with the prospect of continuing to sustain the effort on a labor of love basis while also becoming a lightning rod for criticism, Jim made a reasonable decision in my view.  If he’s been a little dramatic in winding down the operation, I can understand that. Gannett Blog has provided a valuable service for many Gannett employees for two years, but no one is willing or able to step up and support the effort. It&#8217;s not surprising that Jim is pointing out what they&#8217;re about to lose.</p>
<p>Whether or not you agree with the way Jim has handled comments from readers, it&#8217;s clear that this blog has taxed the limits of one man&#8217;s ability to give without compensation.  He deserves thanks and respect for all he is put into the effort.</p>
<p>To address Martin&#8217;s comment about the lack of watchdogs, the problem is that no one wants to pay watchdogs.  My own blogging activities on Newspaper Death Watch have consumed hundreds of hours of time over the last 27 months while yielding a few hundred dollars in advertising revenue and no meaningful business opportunities. That&#8217;s okay. I do it because I love it, but if my family’s livelihood were ever at stake, it&#8217;s the first activity I would have to jettison.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s where this story is also a microcosm of the industry.  Newspapers are the watchdogs of our institutions, but their financial predicament makes that role less and less viable.  It would be nice to look to the blogosphere for salvation, but those who choose a watchdog role must also face up to the realities of the market.  New media has yet to figure out a viable financial model for watchdogs, and it may never do so.  For the time being, we are increasingly delegating that function to people like Jim Hopkins, who can only give so much.</p>
<p>In any case, thank you, Martin, for the shout-out and the kind words.  In the category of silent watchdogs I would include Tell Zell (www.tellzell.com), a witty and pugnacious blog by a Los Angeles Times staffer that suddenly fell silent nine months ago.  Rumor was that management threatened the anonymous author with unemployment if he continued.  I have no idea if the rumor is true.  Who&#8217;s got time to check all this stuff out, anyway? :-)</p>
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		<title>By: &#160; links for 2009-07-09&#160;&#8212;&#160;contentious.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#160; links for 2009-07-09&#160;&#8212;&#160;contentious.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Adiós, Gannett Blog; where are the rest of the watchblogs? » Nieman Journalism Lab Not every major newspaper group is favored with a meta-site where employees and others can get the latest news, leaks, gossip and analysis on their favorite company. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Adiós, Gannett Blog; where are the rest of the watchblogs? » Nieman Journalism Lab Not every major newspaper group is favored with a meta-site where employees and others can get the latest news, leaks, gossip and analysis on their favorite company. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wenalway</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/adios-gannettblog-where-are-the-rest-of-the-watchblogs/comment-page-1/#comment-22101</link>
		<dc:creator>Wenalway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like a good way to get the truth out about the blog, though. And truth is a good thing, especially with the blog ending tomorrow.

Wouldn&#039;t you agree, Jim? Or are you more comfortable with anonymous posts that may not be true? After all, checking the accuracy of facts is hard. That makes your head hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like a good way to get the truth out about the blog, though. And truth is a good thing, especially with the blog ending tomorrow.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t you agree, Jim? Or are you more comfortable with anonymous posts that may not be true? After all, checking the accuracy of facts is hard. That makes your head hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Hopkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Hopkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Mark! Indeed, this *does* seem like an odd way for the good Nieman Foundation to support independent, public-service journalism by an unpaid, overworked blogger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mark! Indeed, this *does* seem like an odd way for the good Nieman Foundation to support independent, public-service journalism by an unpaid, overworked blogger.</p>
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		<title>By: Moorpark Media</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/adios-gannettblog-where-are-the-rest-of-the-watchblogs/comment-page-1/#comment-22051</link>
		<dc:creator>Moorpark Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for a more direct link, see http://www.laobserved.com/archive/cat_los_angeles_times.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for a more direct link, see <a href="http://www.laobserved.com/archive/cat_los_angeles_times.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.laobserved.com/archive/cat_los_angeles_times.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Moorpark Media</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/adios-gannettblog-where-are-the-rest-of-the-watchblogs/comment-page-1/#comment-22050</link>
		<dc:creator>Moorpark Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You find lots of insight and behind-the-scenes reporting about the Tribune Co., Los Angeles Times and Times personnel at http://www.laobserved.com/ .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You find lots of insight and behind-the-scenes reporting about the Tribune Co., Los Angeles Times and Times personnel at <a href="http://www.laobserved.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.laobserved.com/</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: Wenalway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wenalway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;who provided a great service with much reliable information to Gannett workers who are kept in the dark until the gun is put to their heads&quot;

Nice melodrama, &quot;Mark.&quot; But people haven&#039;t known this train was headed off the tracks? Please, ground yourself in some reality.

&quot;But that is the only way info could be shared without retribution.&quot;

You typed a period before the end of the sentence. You forgot to add: &quot;at least for lazy folks like Jim Hopkins, who think that as long they can trumpet their cause as noble, then all rules should be thrown out the window.&quot; Glad to help finish your thoughts, &quot;Mark.&quot;

&quot;Yes, he left up attacks on management types, but ...&quot;

No need to explain, &quot;Mark.&quot; You&#039;ve told us what we need to know.

&quot;No wonder journalism as I’ve known it for some 32 years is dying.&quot;

Journalism is dying because someone told the truth about Jim Hopkins&#039; blog? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! So it&#039;s not dying because of people like you who think it&#039;s OK to allow anonymous slams, just as long as they can be &quot;justified?&quot;

I&#039;d say it&#039;s dying because of people like you, &quot;Mark.&quot; If you have &quot;known&quot; journalism for 32 years and you are justifying what Jim Hopkins did in the name of &quot;journalism,&quot; then you have put in a shallow 32 years, &quot;Mark.&quot;

I&#039;d say this &quot;Mark&quot; is off the mark. It&#039;s yet another person who thinks anything and everything can be justified in the name of &quot;ink in the veins&quot; journalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;who provided a great service with much reliable information to Gannett workers who are kept in the dark until the gun is put to their heads&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice melodrama, &#8220;Mark.&#8221; But people haven&#8217;t known this train was headed off the tracks? Please, ground yourself in some reality.</p>
<p>&#8220;But that is the only way info could be shared without retribution.&#8221;</p>
<p>You typed a period before the end of the sentence. You forgot to add: &#8220;at least for lazy folks like Jim Hopkins, who think that as long they can trumpet their cause as noble, then all rules should be thrown out the window.&#8221; Glad to help finish your thoughts, &#8220;Mark.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, he left up attacks on management types, but &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>No need to explain, &#8220;Mark.&#8221; You&#8217;ve told us what we need to know.</p>
<p>&#8220;No wonder journalism as I’ve known it for some 32 years is dying.&#8221;</p>
<p>Journalism is dying because someone told the truth about Jim Hopkins&#8217; blog? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! So it&#8217;s not dying because of people like you who think it&#8217;s OK to allow anonymous slams, just as long as they can be &#8220;justified?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s dying because of people like you, &#8220;Mark.&#8221; If you have &#8220;known&#8221; journalism for 32 years and you are justifying what Jim Hopkins did in the name of &#8220;journalism,&#8221; then you have put in a shallow 32 years, &#8220;Mark.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say this &#8220;Mark&#8221; is off the mark. It&#8217;s yet another person who thinks anything and everything can be justified in the name of &#8220;ink in the veins&#8221; journalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/adios-gannettblog-where-are-the-rest-of-the-watchblogs/comment-page-1/#comment-22038</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wenalway attacks Jim Hopkins, who provided a great service with much reliable information to Gannett workers who are kept in the dark until the gun is put to their heads, for allowing annonymous posts. But that is the only way info could be shared without retribution. Yes, he left up attacks on management types, but he also allowed the most slimy and vicious attacks on himself to be posted. Were these from regular Gannett Blog users who suddenly took offense at Jim&#039;s sexual orientation? Were the posts an attempt to chase him off the Internet? At least he had the guts to allow, as most blogs do, the readers to talk back. Without that, the blog is just a bully pulpit from which to pontificate.

And to Martin Langeveld: You slam the guy for what happened to his blog, then dismiss his reasons as irrelevant? Nice work. No wonder journalism as I&#039;ve known it for some 32 years is dying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wenalway attacks Jim Hopkins, who provided a great service with much reliable information to Gannett workers who are kept in the dark until the gun is put to their heads, for allowing annonymous posts. But that is the only way info could be shared without retribution. Yes, he left up attacks on management types, but he also allowed the most slimy and vicious attacks on himself to be posted. Were these from regular Gannett Blog users who suddenly took offense at Jim&#8217;s sexual orientation? Were the posts an attempt to chase him off the Internet? At least he had the guts to allow, as most blogs do, the readers to talk back. Without that, the blog is just a bully pulpit from which to pontificate.</p>
<p>And to Martin Langeveld: You slam the guy for what happened to his blog, then dismiss his reasons as irrelevant? Nice work. No wonder journalism as I&#8217;ve known it for some 32 years is dying.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Langeveld</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/adios-gannettblog-where-are-the-rest-of-the-watchblogs/comment-page-1/#comment-22022</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Langeveld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NYTPicker crew has emailed me the following:
&quot;We just noted your comment on your post re: our website.  Have you had a chance yet to look at our website?  If you take the time to read through our posts, you&#039;ll see that we cover not only the journalism but also the internal workings of the NYT; indeed, most posts pertain to specific reporters/employees, and many focus on the company, the institution, financials, staff issues, etc.  Given your stated interest in these sorts of websites, we would greatly appreciate it if you could take at least a few minutes to look us over before characterizing our content.&quot;

I did look at the site, obviously, and I&#039;ll stand by my prior comment — NYTPicker is more about the journalism than about the company, in contrast to the other watchblogs I&#039;ve mentioned, which are not particularly concerned about journalistic nuances but mostly deal with dollars, cents and jobs.  But OK, I stand corrected: NYTPicker occasionally has posts about the company&#039;s financial doings, as well. Although I looked for, but couldn&#039;t find, anything recent about Boston Globe and Worcester Telegram being up for sale.

All that said, I&#039;d say NYTPicker is closer to the kind of company watchblog I&#039;d prefer than Gannett Blog ever was.  So let me add it to the official Watchblog List.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NYTPicker crew has emailed me the following:<br />
&#8220;We just noted your comment on your post re: our website.  Have you had a chance yet to look at our website?  If you take the time to read through our posts, you&#8217;ll see that we cover not only the journalism but also the internal workings of the NYT; indeed, most posts pertain to specific reporters/employees, and many focus on the company, the institution, financials, staff issues, etc.  Given your stated interest in these sorts of websites, we would greatly appreciate it if you could take at least a few minutes to look us over before characterizing our content.&#8221;</p>
<p>I did look at the site, obviously, and I&#8217;ll stand by my prior comment — NYTPicker is more about the journalism than about the company, in contrast to the other watchblogs I&#8217;ve mentioned, which are not particularly concerned about journalistic nuances but mostly deal with dollars, cents and jobs.  But OK, I stand corrected: NYTPicker occasionally has posts about the company&#8217;s financial doings, as well. Although I looked for, but couldn&#8217;t find, anything recent about Boston Globe and Worcester Telegram being up for sale.</p>
<p>All that said, I&#8217;d say NYTPicker is closer to the kind of company watchblog I&#8217;d prefer than Gannett Blog ever was.  So let me add it to the official Watchblog List.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Langeveld</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/adios-gannettblog-where-are-the-rest-of-the-watchblogs/comment-page-1/#comment-21991</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Langeveld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Fred - but NYTPicker would seem to me more about the journalism than about the company and its employees, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Fred &#8211; but NYTPicker would seem to me more about the journalism than about the company and its employees, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred S.</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/adios-gannettblog-where-are-the-rest-of-the-watchblogs/comment-page-1/#comment-21990</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the NYT, see http://www.nytpick.com/. It&#039;s now and then, sometimes very good, sometimes very boring, but they try hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the NYT, see <a href="http://www.nytpick.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytpick.com/</a>. It&#8217;s now and then, sometimes very good, sometimes very boring, but they try hard.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Langeveld</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/adios-gannettblog-where-are-the-rest-of-the-watchblogs/comment-page-1/#comment-21985</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Langeveld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From here and there I&#039;ve gathered links to a few more company watchblogs:

Tribune: &lt;a href=&quot;http://tribunewatch.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TribuneWatch&lt;/a&gt;, also operated by the Newspaper Guild, similar to MediaNews Monitor.

Hartford Courant: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.courantalumni.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CourantAlumni&lt;/a&gt;

And OregonMediaCentral, linked in the first comment above, takes the approach of monitoring all media in its geographic area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From here and there I&#8217;ve gathered links to a few more company watchblogs:</p>
<p>Tribune: <a href="http://tribunewatch.org/" rel="nofollow">TribuneWatch</a>, also operated by the Newspaper Guild, similar to MediaNews Monitor.</p>
<p>Hartford Courant: <a href="http://www.courantalumni.org/" rel="nofollow">CourantAlumni</a></p>
<p>And OregonMediaCentral, linked in the first comment above, takes the approach of monitoring all media in its geographic area.</p>
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		<title>By: Wenalway</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/adios-gannettblog-where-are-the-rest-of-the-watchblogs/comment-page-1/#comment-21983</link>
		<dc:creator>Wenalway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Hopkins would get an F in Journalism 101 and Logic 101. His statement about &quot;making better choices&quot; is the closest we&#039;ll get to seeing him admit a mistake, though.

His moderation policy at the site has been pathetic. Anonymous posters could take vicious shots at any of the Gannett management people, who were usually named and &quot;slammed&quot; with a juvenile, unoriginal comment, and Hopkins would leave these posts up for lengthy periods of time. Regardless of what the false legal &quot;experts&quot; trumpet all over the Internet, I tend to believe these statements were forms of actionable libel, and I would not be surprised to find out Hopkins was warned by the company to take more steps to deal with them.

(I&#039;d like to have a direct response from Jim on that issue, but I could never get him to answer more than one e-mail. Like many arrogant and thin-skinned pseudojournalists, he is great at putting the heat on others, but he is not very good at responding to legitimate criticism.)

Also, you nailed the issue of &quot;feelings of entitlement.&quot; The people with &quot;ink in their veins&quot; but no other abilities need a strong glass of realism, stat.

Finally, I&#039;ll mention that my own site has archived many examples of the craziness of journalism in the last couple of years. My posts have tapered off, and I don&#039;t allow anonymous posting, as lazy folks like Hopkins and others do, but that at least restores the credibility that was always missing at the Gannett Blog. Regardless of the rationalizations the lazy folks like Hopkins use, anonymous posts have no credibility anywhere. They&#039;re often simply a way for a coward to attack someone without fear of ramifications. Jim Hopkins enabled these attacks, and I believe his lack of responsibility in this area shows us why journalism won&#039;t miss him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Hopkins would get an F in Journalism 101 and Logic 101. His statement about &#8220;making better choices&#8221; is the closest we&#8217;ll get to seeing him admit a mistake, though.</p>
<p>His moderation policy at the site has been pathetic. Anonymous posters could take vicious shots at any of the Gannett management people, who were usually named and &#8220;slammed&#8221; with a juvenile, unoriginal comment, and Hopkins would leave these posts up for lengthy periods of time. Regardless of what the false legal &#8220;experts&#8221; trumpet all over the Internet, I tend to believe these statements were forms of actionable libel, and I would not be surprised to find out Hopkins was warned by the company to take more steps to deal with them.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;d like to have a direct response from Jim on that issue, but I could never get him to answer more than one e-mail. Like many arrogant and thin-skinned pseudojournalists, he is great at putting the heat on others, but he is not very good at responding to legitimate criticism.)</p>
<p>Also, you nailed the issue of &#8220;feelings of entitlement.&#8221; The people with &#8220;ink in their veins&#8221; but no other abilities need a strong glass of realism, stat.</p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;ll mention that my own site has archived many examples of the craziness of journalism in the last couple of years. My posts have tapered off, and I don&#8217;t allow anonymous posting, as lazy folks like Hopkins and others do, but that at least restores the credibility that was always missing at the Gannett Blog. Regardless of the rationalizations the lazy folks like Hopkins use, anonymous posts have no credibility anywhere. They&#8217;re often simply a way for a coward to attack someone without fear of ramifications. Jim Hopkins enabled these attacks, and I believe his lack of responsibility in this area shows us why journalism won&#8217;t miss him.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Langeveld</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/adios-gannettblog-where-are-the-rest-of-the-watchblogs/comment-page-1/#comment-21970</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Langeveld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the explanation, Jim.  I was aware of your personal reasons for stopping the blog, but didn&#039;t think they were relevant to my commentary; I don&#039;t believe I ascribed any reason or motivation to the shutdown.

And I certainly wish you the best, as I&#039;m sure your followers do.  Hopefully, Gannettoid will improve and evolve a little to fill the gap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the explanation, Jim.  I was aware of your personal reasons for stopping the blog, but didn&#8217;t think they were relevant to my commentary; I don&#8217;t believe I ascribed any reason or motivation to the shutdown.</p>
<p>And I certainly wish you the best, as I&#8217;m sure your followers do.  Hopefully, Gannettoid will improve and evolve a little to fill the gap.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Hopkins</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/adios-gannettblog-where-are-the-rest-of-the-watchblogs/comment-page-1/#comment-21965</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Hopkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say, Martin, you get a grade of &quot;F&#039;&#039; in Journalism 101. If you had dropped me a note, I would have pointed you to a major reason why Gannett Blog is closing.

From my July 2 post, Why I&#039;m shutting down this blog; Sparky is my domestic partner:

My decision to shut this blog on July 10 is mine alone, with Sparky&#039;s support and encouragement. He and I had grown concerned about health problems I&#039;ve experienced as I&#039;ve tried to keep up with the demands of blogging about a company with 41,500 employees, and many more who have left.

In the past year, I have lost quite a bit of weight as I&#039;ve neglected proper nutrition and exercise. I could have made better choices, to be sure. But I am a very competitive journalist. I wanted this to be the best newspaper blog possible, because I think the employees deserve that much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say, Martin, you get a grade of &#8220;F&#8221; in Journalism 101. If you had dropped me a note, I would have pointed you to a major reason why Gannett Blog is closing.</p>
<p>From my July 2 post, Why I&#8217;m shutting down this blog; Sparky is my domestic partner:</p>
<p>My decision to shut this blog on July 10 is mine alone, with Sparky&#8217;s support and encouragement. He and I had grown concerned about health problems I&#8217;ve experienced as I&#8217;ve tried to keep up with the demands of blogging about a company with 41,500 employees, and many more who have left.</p>
<p>In the past year, I have lost quite a bit of weight as I&#8217;ve neglected proper nutrition and exercise. I could have made better choices, to be sure. But I am a very competitive journalist. I wanted this to be the best newspaper blog possible, because I think the employees deserve that much.</p>
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		<title>By: oregonmedia</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/adios-gannettblog-where-are-the-rest-of-the-watchblogs/comment-page-1/#comment-21955</link>
		<dc:creator>oregonmedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Oregon, I&#039;m running &lt;a href=&quot;http://oregonmediacentral.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Oregon Media Central&lt;/a&gt;. I wish there were more such sites around in other states and for other media groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Oregon, I&#8217;m running <a href="http://oregonmediacentral.com/" rel="nofollow">Oregon Media Central</a>. I wish there were more such sites around in other states and for other media groups.</p>
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