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		<title>By: Micropayments and the power of free &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/dear-new-york-times-please-charge-me-more-than-5-for-your-web-site/comment-page-1/#comment-32239</link>
		<dc:creator>Micropayments and the power of free &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 00:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] going to try a paid-content model, to me it makes a lot more sense to make sure you&#8217;re getting all the revenue you can out of those bigger fish than to waste energy chasing after the folks who will never pay anything.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] going to try a paid-content model, to me it makes a lot more sense to make sure you&#8217;re getting all the revenue you can out of those bigger fish than to waste energy chasing after the folks who will never pay anything.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Around the Web: The NY Times at $5 a Month &#171; Notes from The Heart House</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/dear-new-york-times-please-charge-me-more-than-5-for-your-web-site/comment-page-1/#comment-24146</link>
		<dc:creator>Around the Web: The NY Times at $5 a Month &#171; Notes from The Heart House</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nieman Labs: Dear New York Times: Please charge me more than $5 for your web site by Joshua Benton [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Fremdschämen gibt&#8217;s gratis: Online-Content darf etwas kosten &#8211; georg.leyrer.priv.at</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/dear-new-york-times-please-charge-me-more-than-5-for-your-web-site/comment-page-1/#comment-23448</link>
		<dc:creator>Fremdschämen gibt&#8217;s gratis: Online-Content darf etwas kosten &#8211; georg.leyrer.priv.at</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Auch von mir gibt es völlige Zustimmung zu den Plänen der Zeitung - und darüber hinaus auch zum NiemanJournalismLab, das (mit vielen anderen Webites, die einen wortidenten Text veröffentlichen) die richtige [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Auch von mir gibt es völlige Zustimmung zu den Plänen der Zeitung &#8211; und darüber hinaus auch zum NiemanJournalismLab, das (mit vielen anderen Webites, die einen wortidenten Text veröffentlichen) die richtige [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Semana em revista (12-19/07/2009) &#124; Afinidades Eletivas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Semana em revista (12-19/07/2009) &#124; Afinidades Eletivas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] o conteúdo do site. Logo em seguida Joshua Benton, diretor do Nieman Journalism Lab, escreveu um ótimo artigo defendendo que, se é para cobrar, que cobre logo 10, 15 dólares. Na terça-feira (16) foi a vez [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The end of newspapers, or thoughts on reading Dear New York Times: Please charge me more than $5 for your web site. at Nieman Journalism Lab &#171; Smart People I Know</title>
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		<dc:creator>The end of newspapers, or thoughts on reading Dear New York Times: Please charge me more than $5 for your web site. at Nieman Journalism Lab &#171; Smart People I Know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when I read article like, Dear New York Times: Please charge me more than $5 for your web site. » Nieman Journalism Lab, I think they must make sense for people who love MSM and want it to continue. As for me, I used to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dottie&#8217;s Walk &#124; eCache</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/dear-new-york-times-please-charge-me-more-than-5-for-your-web-site/comment-page-1/#comment-22776</link>
		<dc:creator>Dottie&#8217;s Walk &#124; eCache</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] City wrote a few months about these walks.  Unfortunately, archived articles are not available.  Another reason newspapers are failing is that they make it impossible to use them as a reference online as their [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] City wrote a few months about these walks.  Unfortunately, archived articles are not available.  Another reason newspapers are failing is that they make it impossible to use them as a reference online as their [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;if all 650,000 print subscribers paid $5 a month for the website, that would be an instant $39 million per year.” That’s likely very optimistic, since the Times is talking about half-off for print subscribers — and, of course, a hefty portion of Times print subscribers are plenty happy with a print-only lifestyle. But let’s say half of print subscribers sign up at $2.50 a month. That’s $19.5 million a year.&quot;

Half of print subscribers at half the price is a quarter of $39m, or $9.75m.  I just wacked nearly $10m out of your numbers.

No wonder American newspapers are going down the drain - dodgy budgeting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if all 650,000 print subscribers paid $5 a month for the website, that would be an instant $39 million per year.” That’s likely very optimistic, since the Times is talking about half-off for print subscribers — and, of course, a hefty portion of Times print subscribers are plenty happy with a print-only lifestyle. But let’s say half of print subscribers sign up at $2.50 a month. That’s $19.5 million a year.&#8221;</p>
<p>Half of print subscribers at half the price is a quarter of $39m, or $9.75m.  I just wacked nearly $10m out of your numbers.</p>
<p>No wonder American newspapers are going down the drain &#8211; dodgy budgeting!</p>
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		<title>By: RichardK</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichardK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll pay $10 a month, and ask to be paid $20 by the NY Times to read (socialist) Paul Krugman&#039;s columns without ranting and raving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll pay $10 a month, and ask to be paid $20 by the NY Times to read (socialist) Paul Krugman&#8217;s columns without ranting and raving.</p>
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		<title>By: mexture</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/dear-new-york-times-please-charge-me-more-than-5-for-your-web-site/comment-page-1/#comment-22692</link>
		<dc:creator>mexture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why not rethink the business model/site design to generate more dollars from advertising And/or readers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why not rethink the business model/site design to generate more dollars from advertising And/or readers?</p>
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		<title>By: Would you pay for the NY Times? &#124; Marketing.fm - Eric Friedman</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/dear-new-york-times-please-charge-me-more-than-5-for-your-web-site/comment-page-1/#comment-22639</link>
		<dc:creator>Would you pay for the NY Times? &#124; Marketing.fm - Eric Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] folks for its content online. Would you pay $5.00 per month? Would you pay more? less? Blogs have weighed in elsewhere but I wanted to take a poll with my readers and get a dialogue going about this idea [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] folks for its content online. Would you pay $5.00 per month? Would you pay more? less? Blogs have weighed in elsewhere but I wanted to take a poll with my readers and get a dialogue going about this idea [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dear New York Times: Please Charge Me More Than $5 For Your Web Site. [Voices] &#124; UpOff.com</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/dear-new-york-times-please-charge-me-more-than-5-for-your-web-site/comment-page-1/#comment-22602</link>
		<dc:creator>Dear New York Times: Please Charge Me More Than $5 For Your Web Site. [Voices] &#124; UpOff.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read the rest of this post on the original site [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dear New York Times: Please Charge Me More Than $5 For Your Web Site. &#124; Joshua Benton &#124; Voices &#124; AllThingsD</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/dear-new-york-times-please-charge-me-more-than-5-for-your-web-site/comment-page-1/#comment-22597</link>
		<dc:creator>Dear New York Times: Please Charge Me More Than $5 For Your Web Site. &#124; Joshua Benton &#124; Voices &#124; AllThingsD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read the rest of this post on the original site     Tagged: Internet, Voices, digital, innovation, media, software, articles, blogs, Bloomberg, Joshua Benton, multimedia, New York Times, Nieman Journalism Lab &#124; permalink    Sphere.Inline.search(&quot;&quot;, &quot;http://voices.allthingsd.com/20090713/dear-new-york-times-please-charge-me-more-than-5-for-your-web-site/&quot;);      &#171; Previous Post         ord=Math.random()*10000000000000000; document.write(&#039;&#039;); [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The New York Times, forse si pagherà. Anche online - The New Blog Times</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/dear-new-york-times-please-charge-me-more-than-5-for-your-web-site/comment-page-1/#comment-22550</link>
		<dc:creator>The New York Times, forse si pagherà. Anche online - The New Blog Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] volta, però, non è dello stesso parere. Secondo Joshua Benton, principale artefice di NiemanLab, cinque dollari al mese non sono assolutamente [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] volta, però, non è dello stesso parere. Secondo Joshua Benton, principale artefice di NiemanLab, cinque dollari al mese non sono assolutamente [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dear Bill Keller &#124; byJoeyBaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dear Bill Keller &#124; byJoeyBaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 02:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have a deep appreciation for experimentation, and I hope that your endeavors will teach the rest of us a thing or two about how to make money on [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 02:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree. I think that the Web has proven to be a $1 store. People are happy to pay $0.99 on iTunes for their iPhone applications, some of which are quite intricate. I think whatever they choose to charge, that $0.99 is the increment to use. Whether that $1 is a per-month charge, or a charge for per 100 visits (1 visit per day). This would reflect their current subscription model of paying X amount for a certain number of weeks. To get the daily paper is $7.40 a week for 12 weeks. This equates to 84 issues and $620. Since distribution and printing costs are out this number should be able to reduce significantly without reducing pay of workers.

Whatever it is that they charge, $1 a week, etc, it really needs to be a dollar. It plays into your near-free idea, but keeps people coming. They&#039;ll make much more of a profit. People are HAPPY to pay a dollar, it&#039;s chump change. More people will do it, especially if they do an easy auto-pay system, and link into Google Checkout, PayPal, etc. It&#039;s like iTunes downloads. People will see it as equivalent to paying for a song. You&#039;re paying for the news, OK, a dollar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree. I think that the Web has proven to be a $1 store. People are happy to pay $0.99 on iTunes for their iPhone applications, some of which are quite intricate. I think whatever they choose to charge, that $0.99 is the increment to use. Whether that $1 is a per-month charge, or a charge for per 100 visits (1 visit per day). This would reflect their current subscription model of paying X amount for a certain number of weeks. To get the daily paper is $7.40 a week for 12 weeks. This equates to 84 issues and $620. Since distribution and printing costs are out this number should be able to reduce significantly without reducing pay of workers.</p>
<p>Whatever it is that they charge, $1 a week, etc, it really needs to be a dollar. It plays into your near-free idea, but keeps people coming. They&#8217;ll make much more of a profit. People are HAPPY to pay a dollar, it&#8217;s chump change. More people will do it, especially if they do an easy auto-pay system, and link into Google Checkout, PayPal, etc. It&#8217;s like iTunes downloads. People will see it as equivalent to paying for a song. You&#8217;re paying for the news, OK, a dollar.</p>
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		<title>By: RDOwens</title>
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		<dc:creator>RDOwens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last time the NYT employed a pay model for its online content it lost readers and revenue.  Not only that, they lost links.  This is what is lost upon MSM; it&#039;s the links to its articles that drives readership online.  Put it all behind a wall, no one will discuss your content.

Frankly, if the NYT changed its editorial bias, it would pick up readers.  Being so radically left-wing has damaged its reputation severely.

This is old-world thinking to a new age platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last time the NYT employed a pay model for its online content it lost readers and revenue.  Not only that, they lost links.  This is what is lost upon MSM; it&#8217;s the links to its articles that drives readership online.  Put it all behind a wall, no one will discuss your content.</p>
<p>Frankly, if the NYT changed its editorial bias, it would pick up readers.  Being so radically left-wing has damaged its reputation severely.</p>
<p>This is old-world thinking to a new age platform.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Andersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops -- I meant point #3. The point about the price ceiling.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Andersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Mathew -- I&#039;m certain that paid content is going to have to differ from traditional mass-appeal newspaper content. It would be a bizarre coincidence if it didn&#039;t.

Speaking for myself (and I earn $33,000 a year, which makes me more or less the median American worker): $60 is definitely near the upper limit of what I&#039;d pay for NYT content in its current form. I would not be likely to pay $7 a month.

As for point #2, the Times is the only newspaper I would consider paying for online. I don&#039;t perceive there to be enough relevant content in my local papers for them to be worth anywhere close to that much money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Mathew &#8212; I&#8217;m certain that paid content is going to have to differ from traditional mass-appeal newspaper content. It would be a bizarre coincidence if it didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Speaking for myself (and I earn $33,000 a year, which makes me more or less the median American worker): $60 is definitely near the upper limit of what I&#8217;d pay for NYT content in its current form. I would not be likely to pay $7 a month.</p>
<p>As for point #2, the Times is the only newspaper I would consider paying for online. I don&#8217;t perceive there to be enough relevant content in my local papers for them to be worth anywhere close to that much money.</p>
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		<title>By: Finance Geek » The New York Times Must Charge More Than $5 Per Month For Web Site</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finance Geek » The New York Times Must Charge More Than $5 Per Month For Web Site</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin, for me the issue has never been whether to charge but *what* to charge for.  Charging for run-of-the-mill news or even commentary is just not going to fly I don&#039;t think -- but members-only access to certain content targeted in certain ways makes sense, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin, for me the issue has never been whether to charge but *what* to charge for.  Charging for run-of-the-mill news or even commentary is just not going to fly I don&#8217;t think &#8212; but members-only access to certain content targeted in certain ways makes sense, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Langeveld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Langeveld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, now that us bloggers are discussing how much, not whether, the Times ought to charge, maybe the paid-content debate is over.  It has been over in the board rooms for a while now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, now that us bloggers are discussing how much, not whether, the Times ought to charge, maybe the paid-content debate is over.  It has been over in the board rooms for a while now.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Myers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, Josh, though I think that when you get to $10 or $15 a month you elevate the purchase decision. People do the math and think, &quot;hmm, this will cost me $120 or $180 a year, is it worth that much to me?&quot; It gets into bigger-picture budget issues that a small purchase never approaches. No one thinks about whether those $.99 purchases at the iTunes store will add up to hundreds of dollars a year (though for some, they do).

In any case, I think your math is wrong on your first point. If half of the print subscribers paid $2.50 a month, that would bring in $9.75 million, not $19.5 million (650,000 subscribers divided by 2, times 2.50 a month, times 12 months). The lower number bolsters your point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Josh, though I think that when you get to $10 or $15 a month you elevate the purchase decision. People do the math and think, &#8220;hmm, this will cost me $120 or $180 a year, is it worth that much to me?&#8221; It gets into bigger-picture budget issues that a small purchase never approaches. No one thinks about whether those $.99 purchases at the iTunes store will add up to hundreds of dollars a year (though for some, they do).</p>
<p>In any case, I think your math is wrong on your first point. If half of the print subscribers paid $2.50 a month, that would bring in $9.75 million, not $19.5 million (650,000 subscribers divided by 2, times 2.50 a month, times 12 months). The lower number bolsters your point.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how many page views the NYT gets from outside the US? For UK papers I think it&#039;s quite a high proportion. But I&#039;d be surprised if a lot of people outside the US would be willing to pay a regular subscription to get the NYT because lots of the content in there isn&#039;t going to be relevant and they&#039;ll feel that compared to domestic customers they&#039;re being ripped off.

I suppose that edges towards an FT style model that some people above have already mentioned. But is it also worth considering that the ads on the NYT domestic and international editions are the same? Is the paper ever going to be in a position to sell ads to a highly international audience?

I&#039;m afraid that I&#039;m outside of my knowledge here: are small, homogenous readerships more valuable to advertisers than large, diverse ones?

(I think your 19.5million figure is a typo and needs to be halved, based on your maths.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many page views the NYT gets from outside the US? For UK papers I think it&#8217;s quite a high proportion. But I&#8217;d be surprised if a lot of people outside the US would be willing to pay a regular subscription to get the NYT because lots of the content in there isn&#8217;t going to be relevant and they&#8217;ll feel that compared to domestic customers they&#8217;re being ripped off.</p>
<p>I suppose that edges towards an FT style model that some people above have already mentioned. But is it also worth considering that the ads on the NYT domestic and international editions are the same? Is the paper ever going to be in a position to sell ads to a highly international audience?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid that I&#8217;m outside of my knowledge here: are small, homogenous readerships more valuable to advertisers than large, diverse ones?</p>
<p>(I think your 19.5million figure is a typo and needs to be halved, based on your maths.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the sounds of what the NYT Media Group chief was saying, they are thinking about charging for  a membership that would give readers access to things like the kinds of discussions Pat mentions.  I could actually see that working quite well, and it&#039;s something we&#039;ve been thinking about at our paper as well -- but charging for blanket access to regular news or even commentary is just not going to fly, or at least not going to draw enough people to make it worthwhile, as TimesSelect showed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the sounds of what the NYT Media Group chief was saying, they are thinking about charging for  a membership that would give readers access to things like the kinds of discussions Pat mentions.  I could actually see that working quite well, and it&#8217;s something we&#8217;ve been thinking about at our paper as well &#8212; but charging for blanket access to regular news or even commentary is just not going to fly, or at least not going to draw enough people to make it worthwhile, as TimesSelect showed.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Benton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Benton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing -- Pat, I was really surprised that the survey phrased the pay wall so absolutely: &quot;The New York Times website, nytimes.com, is considering charging a monthly fee of $5.00 to &lt;b&gt;access its content, including all its articles, blogs and multimedia&lt;/b&gt;.&quot; I have to believe they wouldn&#039;t actually do something as dumb as that and put everything behind a pay wall. I think it&#039;s likely you&#039;ll end up with something midway between ESPN Insider and the WSJ approaches -- a lot of free stuff, but a substantial pay-only area (or, hopefully, several distinct pay-only areas).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing &#8212; Pat, I was really surprised that the survey phrased the pay wall so absolutely: &#8220;The New York Times website, nytimes.com, is considering charging a monthly fee of $5.00 to <b>access its content, including all its articles, blogs and multimedia</b>.&#8221; I have to believe they wouldn&#8217;t actually do something as dumb as that and put everything behind a pay wall. I think it&#8217;s likely you&#8217;ll end up with something midway between ESPN Insider and the WSJ approaches &#8212; a lot of free stuff, but a substantial pay-only area (or, hopefully, several distinct pay-only areas).</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Benton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Benton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat, I completely agree that the Times should be setting different price points for different products. There are a few people happy to pay $800 a year for nytimes.com; there are more who would pay $100 or $60; and the vast majority would pay zero. I think all newspapers will have to figure out how to take advantage of the fact that different people have different levels of potential support. (In some ways, that&#039;s the good part of the NPR/PBS pledge model -- access to the content is the same whether you&#039;re paying $20 a year, $2,000 a year, or nothing. So they&#039;re able to take advantage of the range of wealth in their audience.)

I guess my overarching point is that the Venn diagram of people who are willing to pay &lt;i&gt;anything&lt;/i&gt; for the Times has an awful lot of overlap with the universe of people who would pay at least, say, $10 a month for the Times. That&#039;s not true for most papers, but the Times audience is different, and it seems odd to be settling for that low a price point with their audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat, I completely agree that the Times should be setting different price points for different products. There are a few people happy to pay $800 a year for nytimes.com; there are more who would pay $100 or $60; and the vast majority would pay zero. I think all newspapers will have to figure out how to take advantage of the fact that different people have different levels of potential support. (In some ways, that&#8217;s the good part of the NPR/PBS pledge model &#8212; access to the content is the same whether you&#8217;re paying $20 a year, $2,000 a year, or nothing. So they&#8217;re able to take advantage of the range of wealth in their audience.)</p>
<p>I guess my overarching point is that the Venn diagram of people who are willing to pay <i>anything</i> for the Times has an awful lot of overlap with the universe of people who would pay at least, say, $10 a month for the Times. That&#8217;s not true for most papers, but the Times audience is different, and it seems odd to be settling for that low a price point with their audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Thornton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just woke up, so you&#039;ll have to excuse my poor writing (yes, the first thing I do when I wake up is check in on the state of journalism)

My first paragraph should end:

&quot;On the other hand, I think they&#039;ll have trouble charging more than $60 a year or even $20 a year.&quot;

I should note that I am a paying subscriber to ESPN.com Insider. I don&#039;t have numbers on that model, but all the basic content is free to everyone. My money gets me extra content (especially analysis), scouting reports and other stuff that mainly appeals to people who want really minute details. 

Whatever the Times ends up doing, I think it would be wise to keep a lot of content free to everyone. You can make additional money -- beyond advertising -- off of people like me with additional features and content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just woke up, so you&#8217;ll have to excuse my poor writing (yes, the first thing I do when I wake up is check in on the state of journalism)</p>
<p>My first paragraph should end:</p>
<p>&#8220;On the other hand, I think they&#8217;ll have trouble charging more than $60 a year or even $20 a year.&#8221;</p>
<p>I should note that I am a paying subscriber to ESPN.com Insider. I don&#8217;t have numbers on that model, but all the basic content is free to everyone. My money gets me extra content (especially analysis), scouting reports and other stuff that mainly appeals to people who want really minute details. </p>
<p>Whatever the Times ends up doing, I think it would be wise to keep a lot of content free to everyone. You can make additional money &#8212; beyond advertising &#8212; off of people like me with additional features and content.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Langeveld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Langeveld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, you are correct. It&#039;s a bit more than TS was.

But I do think in this case the Times thinks it&#039;s in its best interest to maximize paying subscribers, not subscription revenue.  If all the best journalism in the world goes into pay models, they want to be thought of as the best place to go, attracting the most viewers at a reasonable price.  And if they can do that, it might turn out that they maximize the combined advertising plus subscription revenue, since there&#039;s obviously a tradeoff.  These surveys are intended to find the sweet spot.

And yes, the metered approach should be intended to push multi-month subs -- I didn&#039;t mean to imply otherwise.  That would be simple: &quot;You&#039;ve run out of pageviews this month.  You can pay $20 for unlimited access for the next 30 days.  Or you can pay $60 for unlimited access for the next year.&quot; 

Incidentally, the surveys have been going on for some time.  As a registered Times site user, I was asked to respond to a very similar one about 2-3 months ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, you are correct. It&#8217;s a bit more than TS was.</p>
<p>But I do think in this case the Times thinks it&#8217;s in its best interest to maximize paying subscribers, not subscription revenue.  If all the best journalism in the world goes into pay models, they want to be thought of as the best place to go, attracting the most viewers at a reasonable price.  And if they can do that, it might turn out that they maximize the combined advertising plus subscription revenue, since there&#8217;s obviously a tradeoff.  These surveys are intended to find the sweet spot.</p>
<p>And yes, the metered approach should be intended to push multi-month subs &#8212; I didn&#8217;t mean to imply otherwise.  That would be simple: &#8220;You&#8217;ve run out of pageviews this month.  You can pay $20 for unlimited access for the next 30 days.  Or you can pay $60 for unlimited access for the next year.&#8221; </p>
<p>Incidentally, the surveys have been going on for some time.  As a registered Times site user, I was asked to respond to a very similar one about 2-3 months ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Thornton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Josh,

This is a tricky road. The problem is that you&#039;re right even if they made an extra $50 million or so from charging people, that&#039;s not going to really solve many of their issues. On the other hand, I think they&#039;ll have trouble charging more than $60 a year or even $60 a year.

The Times may want to try a tiered approach. Why just discuss one pricing model or point?

I am optimistic that the Times is talking about charging for access, which is something that journalism organizations have. The one many news orgs have is knowledgeable journalists. I think there might be a way to get people to pay for chats with some of their favorite journalists, especially if those chats involve guests.

Thomas Friedman could have a chat on Globalization and he&#039;ll invite a professor or two to join him. The chat would be highly interactive with Friedman taking questions from readers and responding to them. It would also be intimate. The chat could even be limited to a 100 people.

The Times could have many opportunities like this to interact with its most popular talent throughout the year. Opportunities like this don&#039;t have to be limited to a set pricing model. 

The Times will have to tread lightly when it comes to charing for standard content (I don&#039;t think this will work), but there are almost limitless opportunities to make money, especially with a brand like the Times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Josh,</p>
<p>This is a tricky road. The problem is that you&#8217;re right even if they made an extra $50 million or so from charging people, that&#8217;s not going to really solve many of their issues. On the other hand, I think they&#8217;ll have trouble charging more than $60 a year or even $60 a year.</p>
<p>The Times may want to try a tiered approach. Why just discuss one pricing model or point?</p>
<p>I am optimistic that the Times is talking about charging for access, which is something that journalism organizations have. The one many news orgs have is knowledgeable journalists. I think there might be a way to get people to pay for chats with some of their favorite journalists, especially if those chats involve guests.</p>
<p>Thomas Friedman could have a chat on Globalization and he&#8217;ll invite a professor or two to join him. The chat would be highly interactive with Friedman taking questions from readers and responding to them. It would also be intimate. The chat could even be limited to a 100 people.</p>
<p>The Times could have many opportunities like this to interact with its most popular talent throughout the year. Opportunities like this don&#8217;t have to be limited to a set pricing model. </p>
<p>The Times will have to tread lightly when it comes to charing for standard content (I don&#8217;t think this will work), but there are almost limitless opportunities to make money, especially with a brand like the Times.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Benton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Benton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin: I honestly don&#039;t think the Times is in a position where they can afford not to maximize revenue. I think a metered FT-style approach makes a lot of sense, but I don&#039;t think the Times is going to want to primarily push a one-month $5 payment on people who reach the end of the free zone. They&#039;re going to want to push something multimonth (or a year, at a discounted rate) to get people signed on long-term. I doubt they want the churn of having people pay $5 in June, nothing in July or August, another $5 in September, etc.

Is this proposed model half the price of Times Select? I thought TS was $49 a year; this is $60.

And I really don&#039;t think the NYT would be wise to even consider papers like Seattle/Dallas/Miami/whatever as competition to be strategized against. The competition is the free web, not the Houston Chronicle. So I&#039;d argue that a pricing model that sets the pricing bar higher helps both the Times and regional papers.

Mathew: I agree, I think the uptake will be smaller than my numbers estimate. On the other hand, I suspect the strength of the Times brand (and the strength of nytimes.com) will lead it to have a significantly higher willing-to-pay rate than most U.S. newspapers -- so I&#039;m willing (happy!) to be surprised on the high side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin: I honestly don&#8217;t think the Times is in a position where they can afford not to maximize revenue. I think a metered FT-style approach makes a lot of sense, but I don&#8217;t think the Times is going to want to primarily push a one-month $5 payment on people who reach the end of the free zone. They&#8217;re going to want to push something multimonth (or a year, at a discounted rate) to get people signed on long-term. I doubt they want the churn of having people pay $5 in June, nothing in July or August, another $5 in September, etc.</p>
<p>Is this proposed model half the price of Times Select? I thought TS was $49 a year; this is $60.</p>
<p>And I really don&#8217;t think the NYT would be wise to even consider papers like Seattle/Dallas/Miami/whatever as competition to be strategized against. The competition is the free web, not the Houston Chronicle. So I&#8217;d argue that a pricing model that sets the pricing bar higher helps both the Times and regional papers.</p>
<p>Mathew: I agree, I think the uptake will be smaller than my numbers estimate. On the other hand, I suspect the strength of the Times brand (and the strength of nytimes.com) will lead it to have a significantly higher willing-to-pay rate than most U.S. newspapers &#8212; so I&#8217;m willing (happy!) to be surprised on the high side.</p>
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