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	<title>Comments on: Thinking about the economics of news over coffee</title>
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		<title>By: Gray Lady couture: New York Times has a fashion hit &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/thinking-about-the-economics-of-news-over-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-37320</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray Lady couture: New York Times has a fashion hit &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with Mizrahi points to potential revenue streams for news organizations selling tangible, private goods. The Globe and Mail, in Toronto, sold out 500 spots on a luxury cruise with its journalists last [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SpecialDee</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/thinking-about-the-economics-of-news-over-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-24202</link>
		<dc:creator>SpecialDee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Similar to charging for the coffee and giving away the news, ISPs charge for access to the Internet where the news is given away for free. But the ISP makes money on that. I think the newspapers of the future are going to be hologram-like; the projector will be smaller than an iPod; won&#039;t need Internet; can read as projected text OR holographic images (can be scary - think of what goes on in this world); advertisers will make ads FUN ... what do you think? News companies need to jump on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Similar to charging for the coffee and giving away the news, ISPs charge for access to the Internet where the news is given away for free. But the ISP makes money on that. I think the newspapers of the future are going to be hologram-like; the projector will be smaller than an iPod; won&#8217;t need Internet; can read as projected text OR holographic images (can be scary &#8211; think of what goes on in this world); advertisers will make ads FUN &#8230; what do you think? News companies need to jump on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Barnes</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/thinking-about-the-economics-of-news-over-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-24033</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the value that society places on news (high)&quot;

While I believe this to be true, I also believe that the value that many (most?) individuals place on news is LOW.

That is why they won&#039;t pay!</description>
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<p>While I believe this to be true, I also believe that the value that many (most?) individuals place on news is LOW.</p>
<p>That is why they won&#8217;t pay!</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary M. Seward</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/thinking-about-the-economics-of-news-over-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-24015</link>
		<dc:creator>Zachary M. Seward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, I do think it&#039;s difficult to charge for news online but for somewhat different reasons. In print, the rotary press introduced high fixed but low marginal costs for newspaper publishers, which meant they needed wider distribution, which lead to lower prices per copy. (It also introduced objectivity to the equation, which I &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/02/lab-book-club-how-technology-built-objectivity-into-newspapers/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wrote about&lt;/a&gt; in February.) 

The Internet is sort of like retuning to the era before the rotary press, where both fixed and marginal costs are low. That encourages much smaller distributions, where the potential to charge for content is higher. But nevertheless, the same principle of information goods applies. There&#039;s some related discussion in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/02/lab-book-club-some-online-lessons-from-the-fairly-recent-past/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this segment&lt;/a&gt; of Josh&#039;s interview with Jay Hamilton.

Bill, your points are well taken, but I should note that Panera received 40 cents per copy from Panera.

And a &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/rissriss222/statuses/2822405213&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;question&lt;/a&gt; came in from @rissriss222 on Twitter: &quot;why the disconnect between the value of news &amp; how much it&#039;s worth monetarily?&quot; According to Hamilton, people may value news in an abstract way — they think it&#039;s good for society that newspapers exist, say — but don&#039;t usually factor that into their decision of whether to pay for news. In part, that&#039;s because they can obtain the public good of having newspapers exist without paying for them. Sure, if nobody paid for newspapers, they probably couldn&#039;t exist, but individual consumers don&#039;t make that kind of calculation. —Zach</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, I do think it&#8217;s difficult to charge for news online but for somewhat different reasons. In print, the rotary press introduced high fixed but low marginal costs for newspaper publishers, which meant they needed wider distribution, which lead to lower prices per copy. (It also introduced objectivity to the equation, which I <a href="http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/02/lab-book-club-how-technology-built-objectivity-into-newspapers/" rel="nofollow">wrote about</a> in February.) </p>
<p>The Internet is sort of like retuning to the era before the rotary press, where both fixed and marginal costs are low. That encourages much smaller distributions, where the potential to charge for content is higher. But nevertheless, the same principle of information goods applies. There&#8217;s some related discussion in <a href="http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/02/lab-book-club-some-online-lessons-from-the-fairly-recent-past/" rel="nofollow">this segment</a> of Josh&#8217;s interview with Jay Hamilton.</p>
<p>Bill, your points are well taken, but I should note that Panera received 40 cents per copy from Panera.</p>
<p>And a <a href="http://twitter.com/rissriss222/statuses/2822405213" rel="nofollow">question</a> came in from @rissriss222 on Twitter: &#8220;why the disconnect between the value of news &#038; how much it&#8217;s worth monetarily?&#8221; According to Hamilton, people may value news in an abstract way — they think it&#8217;s good for society that newspapers exist, say — but don&#8217;t usually factor that into their decision of whether to pay for news. In part, that&#8217;s because they can obtain the public good of having newspapers exist without paying for them. Sure, if nobody paid for newspapers, they probably couldn&#8217;t exist, but individual consumers don&#8217;t make that kind of calculation. —Zach</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Bergman</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/thinking-about-the-economics-of-news-over-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-24014</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Bergman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever walk into a hotel room and see a magazine? Chances are the publisher didn&#039;t get much more than a penny for the copy. It is an ABC trick to count net paid circulation, just like the Free Press did with Panera.

Does that mean the magazine in that room doesn&#039;t have much value? Of course not. 

The value of a publication is not defined by how much someone pays for it. It is more defined by the time a reader spends with it and how engaged they are with the edit.

How about publishers worry more about the quality of what they are writing as opposed to how much money they can make.

Let&#039;s face it. The publishing bubble burst at the same time the housing market did. If the world of publishing would get back to spending more time focusing on their mission maybe they can start making money again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever walk into a hotel room and see a magazine? Chances are the publisher didn&#8217;t get much more than a penny for the copy. It is an ABC trick to count net paid circulation, just like the Free Press did with Panera.</p>
<p>Does that mean the magazine in that room doesn&#8217;t have much value? Of course not. </p>
<p>The value of a publication is not defined by how much someone pays for it. It is more defined by the time a reader spends with it and how engaged they are with the edit.</p>
<p>How about publishers worry more about the quality of what they are writing as opposed to how much money they can make.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it. The publishing bubble burst at the same time the housing market did. If the world of publishing would get back to spending more time focusing on their mission maybe they can start making money again.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Thornton</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/07/thinking-about-the-economics-of-news-over-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-24010</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zachary,

Interesting promotion, but doesn&#039;t this punch holes in the whole, &quot;we should charge for news on the Web argument?&quot; It&#039;s certainly much cheaper to run a Web site than a printing press

But I think you&#039;re right. This certainly shows that there are different economics at play here. And for better or for worse, while people value news more than coffee as a society, individuals would much rather pay for coffee. I can&#039;t blame them either.

And let&#039;s keep in mind that coffee doesn&#039;t come plastered in advertisements, unlike news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zachary,</p>
<p>Interesting promotion, but doesn&#8217;t this punch holes in the whole, &#8220;we should charge for news on the Web argument?&#8221; It&#8217;s certainly much cheaper to run a Web site than a printing press</p>
<p>But I think you&#8217;re right. This certainly shows that there are different economics at play here. And for better or for worse, while people value news more than coffee as a society, individuals would much rather pay for coffee. I can&#8217;t blame them either.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s keep in mind that coffee doesn&#8217;t come plastered in advertisements, unlike news.</p>
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		<title>By: Beba um café, leve o jornal por 1 cêntimo : Ponto Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beba um café, leve o jornal por 1 cêntimo : Ponto Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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