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		<title>By: Ripped Off News? Or Spreading The News?</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/gawker-and-the-washington-post-a-case-study-in-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-80286</link>
		<dc:creator>Ripped Off News? Or Spreading The News?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] less likely anyone will ever write about one of your stories again.  This isn&#039;t even an issue about fair use, as some are suggesting. It&#039;s an issue about common sense. If you have a story, you&#039;d better want [...]</description>
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<p>[...] less likely anyone will ever write about one of your stories again.  This isn&#39;t even an issue about fair use, as some are suggesting. It&#39;s an issue about common sense. If you have a story, you&#39;d better want [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fair use on the Internet &#171; Streeter Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fair use on the Internet &#171; Streeter Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] angry writers who had been ripped off rant until I came across an article by Zachary Seward, of the Neiman Journalism lab.  It is a short piece that looks at the same example and I feel it captures my beliefs on the [...]</description>
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<p>[...] angry writers who had been ripped off rant until I came across an article by Zachary Seward, of the Neiman Journalism lab.  It is a short piece that looks at the same example and I feel it captures my beliefs on the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: In defense of bullet points &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/gawker-and-the-washington-post-a-case-study-in-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-29930</link>
		<dc:creator>In defense of bullet points &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] best parts &#8212; the kind of thing newspapers hate. I&#8217;m reminded of the recent dispute over Gawker&#8217;s quoting and summarizing of a 1,500-word Washington Post story. The Post article&#8217;s author thought Gawker&#8217;s post [...]</description>
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<p>[...] best parts &#8212; the kind of thing newspapers hate. I&#8217;m reminded of the recent dispute over Gawker&#8217;s quoting and summarizing of a 1,500-word Washington Post story. The Post article&#8217;s author thought Gawker&#8217;s post [...]</p>
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		<title>By: State of the Fourth Estate Morning Reading for 8 4 09 &#171; State of the Fourth Estate</title>
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		<dc:creator>State of the Fourth Estate Morning Reading for 8 4 09 &#171; State of the Fourth Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gawker and The Washington Post: A case study in fair use [Nieman Journalism Lab] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-08-11 &#171; Network(ed)News Bookmarks</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2009-08-11 &#171; Network(ed)News Bookmarks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gawker and The Washington Post: A case study in fair use » Nieman Journalism Lab Shapira has penned a thoughtful and balanced essay on whether Gawker’s appropriation of his work should be considered copyright infringement. (tags: news business journalism newspapers copyright fairuse gawker washingtonpost blogs niemanlab) [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Gawker and The Washington Post: A case study in fair use » Nieman Journalism Lab Shapira has penned a thoughtful and balanced essay on whether Gawker’s appropriation of his work should be considered copyright infringement. (tags: news business journalism newspapers copyright fairuse gawker washingtonpost blogs niemanlab) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Washington Post takes on Gawker in the blogs &#124; Zombie Journalism</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/gawker-and-the-washington-post-a-case-study-in-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-25851</link>
		<dc:creator>Washington Post takes on Gawker in the blogs &#124; Zombie Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more than half of their very short post was from the WaPo story. The Nieman Journalism Lab took a look at what was used and asked it&#8217;s readers if they thought Gawker violated Fair Use or fell well [...]</description>
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<p>[...] more than half of their very short post was from the WaPo story. The Nieman Journalism Lab took a look at what was used and asked it&#8217;s readers if they thought Gawker violated Fair Use or fell well [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Spring Creek Group :: Blog &#8211; Social Media By The Numbers</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/gawker-and-the-washington-post-a-case-study-in-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-25801</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Spring Creek Group :: Blog &#8211; Social Media By The Numbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Percentage of words that appeared in original Post report that were directly transcribed to the Gawker piece:  15%  [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Percentage of words that appeared in original Post report that were directly transcribed to the Gawker piece:  15%  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Washington Post vs. Gawker - The Thriller in Plain Vanilla - Part 2 &#124; Yo Stella - A Creative Management Company</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/gawker-and-the-washington-post-a-case-study-in-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-25395</link>
		<dc:creator>Washington Post vs. Gawker - The Thriller in Plain Vanilla - Part 2 &#124; Yo Stella - A Creative Management Company</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 6. Gawker and The Washington Post: A case study in fair use Washington Post reporter Ian Shapira wrote a whimsical profile of a dubious “business coach” who specializes in understanding Generation Y. (I think that includes me, but who knows.) Gawker, as is its wont, blogged about the piece, quoting extensively from the Post. Now, Shapira has penned a thoughtful and balanced essay on whether Gawker’s appropriation of his work should be considered copyright infringement. It’s exactly the situation at stake in recent threats by The Associated Press regarding the “protection” of their content. [...]</description>
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<p>[...] 6. Gawker and The Washington Post: A case study in fair use Washington Post reporter Ian Shapira wrote a whimsical profile of a dubious “business coach” who specializes in understanding Generation Y. (I think that includes me, but who knows.) Gawker, as is its wont, blogged about the piece, quoting extensively from the Post. Now, Shapira has penned a thoughtful and balanced essay on whether Gawker’s appropriation of his work should be considered copyright infringement. It’s exactly the situation at stake in recent threats by The Associated Press regarding the “protection” of their content. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: EP</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/gawker-and-the-washington-post-a-case-study-in-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-25270</link>
		<dc:creator>EP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last week I attended a workshop on the Google Books Settlement &lt;a href=&quot;http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/googlebooks/?title=Main_Page&amp;printable=yes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;at Berkman&lt;/a&gt;. The phrase &quot;obsession with litigation&quot; came up (I think it was during Professor Lawrence Lessig&#039;s presentation-- I don&#039;t have my notes here right now)  and in my opinion the suggestion was it is an obstacle rather than a solution. I think it is a question of ethics --even of mere netiquette if you will-- rather than a copyright or legal issue. We can&#039;t spend our life  suing each other...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week I attended a workshop on the Google Books Settlement <a href="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/googlebooks/?title=Main_Page&amp;printable=yes" rel="nofollow">at Berkman</a>. The phrase &#8220;obsession with litigation&#8221; came up (I think it was during Professor Lawrence Lessig&#8217;s presentation&#8211; I don&#8217;t have my notes here right now)  and in my opinion the suggestion was it is an obstacle rather than a solution. I think it is a question of ethics &#8211;even of mere netiquette if you will&#8211; rather than a copyright or legal issue. We can&#8217;t spend our life  suing each other&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ALC</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone seems to be framing this debate in terms of copyright law and fair use, but copyright law as it stands is a terrible fit for the problem Shapira’s complaining about.  Either we need to reform copyright law (as many have suggested) or we need to be looking beyond copyright for a better solution.  Perhaps the law is already equipped to handle the “Gawker problem” – the Associated Press sued All Headline News not long ago using hot news law in New York walked away with a settlement.  Maybe all newspapers need to do is band together to make hot news federal law as some have already proposed and then start suing.  In the end, the only way to get these blogs to cut the Washington Post a check is to get some legal leverage.  Clearly copyright law as it stands clearly can’t provide the leverage that’s needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone seems to be framing this debate in terms of copyright law and fair use, but copyright law as it stands is a terrible fit for the problem Shapira’s complaining about.  Either we need to reform copyright law (as many have suggested) or we need to be looking beyond copyright for a better solution.  Perhaps the law is already equipped to handle the “Gawker problem” – the Associated Press sued All Headline News not long ago using hot news law in New York walked away with a settlement.  Maybe all newspapers need to do is band together to make hot news federal law as some have already proposed and then start suing.  In the end, the only way to get these blogs to cut the Washington Post a check is to get some legal leverage.  Clearly copyright law as it stands clearly can’t provide the leverage that’s needed.</p>
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		<title>By: EP</title>
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		<dc:creator>EP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s really interesting, Zach. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/gawkers_link_etiquette_or_lack.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Grueskin&#039;s suggestion&lt;/a&gt; that links that appear on top will get clicked on more is not verified by this data, for example.

It also shows that readers &quot;got&quot; that the point of your post as Gawker&#039;s post rather than Shapira&#039;s original article (and that in any case we could go back to that, probably from Gawker&#039;s post, as I know I did). On top of that one could argue that editorialized links (&quot;whimsical&quot;; &quot;thoughtful and balanced&quot;) do have an impact on a reader&#039;s decision to click on a link or not. 

There are more links on your piece you don&#039;t mention. I suppose that rather than assuming that readers were not interested on those links, it&#039;s possible to think that we already had --or thought we had-- that context, so clicking on them was not deemed necessary to understand the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s really interesting, Zach. <a href="http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/gawkers_link_etiquette_or_lack.php" rel="nofollow">Grueskin&#8217;s suggestion</a> that links that appear on top will get clicked on more is not verified by this data, for example.</p>
<p>It also shows that readers &#8220;got&#8221; that the point of your post as Gawker&#8217;s post rather than Shapira&#8217;s original article (and that in any case we could go back to that, probably from Gawker&#8217;s post, as I know I did). On top of that one could argue that editorialized links (&#8220;whimsical&#8221;; &#8220;thoughtful and balanced&#8221;) do have an impact on a reader&#8217;s decision to click on a link or not. </p>
<p>There are more links on your piece you don&#8217;t mention. I suppose that rather than assuming that readers were not interested on those links, it&#8217;s possible to think that we already had &#8211;or thought we had&#8211; that context, so clicking on them was not deemed necessary to understand the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Felix Salmon: Gawker sums show why it&#8217;s a &#8216;highly profitable media co.&#8217; &#124; Journalism.co.uk Editors' Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/gawker-and-the-washington-post-a-case-study-in-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-25240</link>
		<dc:creator>Felix Salmon: Gawker sums show why it&#8217;s a &#8216;highly profitable media co.&#8217; &#124; Journalism.co.uk Editors' Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blog, Felix Salmon does some calculations about Gawker and blog profitability, following a post on the Nieman Journalism Lab. &#8220;(&#8230;) overall it&#8217;s easy to see how Gawker has now grown to the point at which [...]</description>
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<p>[...] blog, Felix Salmon does some calculations about Gawker and blog profitability, following a post on the Nieman Journalism Lab. &#8220;(&#8230;) overall it&#8217;s easy to see how Gawker has now grown to the point at which [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blogging og økonomi &#124; Etterretninger - Mandag Morgen</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/gawker-and-the-washington-post-a-case-study-in-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-25239</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogging og økonomi &#124; Etterretninger - Mandag Morgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Nieman journalism lab ved Harvard har sett nærmere på tallene og kommet frem til at en standard bloggpost hos Gawker koster cirka $ 20 å produsere, mens den for tiden genererer cirka $ 200 i inntekter &#8211; ikke dårlig for et mediehus i dag. Nettsiden har 177 skribenter (freelance formodentlig), og Hamilton Nolan som er mest lest, produserer cirka 260 bloggposter i måneden. Dette summerer seg til 3,4 millioner kroner i året i profitt for Nolan eller, gitt at alle skribentene produserer like mye som ham (en drøy antagelse, men det gir oss en ide om hvor taket ligger), 600 mill i året for hele selskapet. [...]</description>
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<p>[...]  Nieman journalism lab ved Harvard har sett nærmere på tallene og kommet frem til at en standard bloggpost hos Gawker koster cirka $ 20 å produsere, mens den for tiden genererer cirka $ 200 i inntekter &#8211; ikke dårlig for et mediehus i dag. Nettsiden har 177 skribenter (freelance formodentlig), og Hamilton Nolan som er mest lest, produserer cirka 260 bloggposter i måneden. Dette summerer seg til 3,4 millioner kroner i året i profitt for Nolan eller, gitt at alle skribentene produserer like mye som ham (en drøy antagelse, men det gir oss en ide om hvor taket ligger), 600 mill i året for hele selskapet. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary M. Seward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zachary M. Seward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the great perspectives. You&#039;ve given me plenty to think about for future posts. In the meantime, you might be interested in this data: Which links in this post were clicked-on most?

1. &quot;blogged&quot; (Gawker post)
2. &quot;posited&quot; (Anderson&#039;s post on fair use)
3. &quot;thoughtful and balanced essay&quot; (Shapira&#039;s piece on Gawker)
4. &quot;whimsical profile&quot; (Shapira&#039;s original article)
5. &quot;standards&quot; (Wikipedia article on fair use)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the great perspectives. You&#8217;ve given me plenty to think about for future posts. In the meantime, you might be interested in this data: Which links in this post were clicked-on most?</p>
<p>1. &#8220;blogged&#8221; (Gawker post)<br />
2. &#8220;posited&#8221; (Anderson&#8217;s post on fair use)<br />
3. &#8220;thoughtful and balanced essay&#8221; (Shapira&#8217;s piece on Gawker)<br />
4. &#8220;whimsical profile&#8221; (Shapira&#8217;s original article)<br />
5. &#8220;standards&#8221; (Wikipedia article on fair use)</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-08-03 &#124; Joanna Geary</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/gawker-and-the-washington-post-a-case-study-in-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-25185</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-08-03 &#124; Joanna Geary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 21:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gawker and The Washington Post: A case study in fair use &quot;Whatever your personal opinion about U.S. copyright law and how it should apply on the Internet, judges who consider the question are obliged to weigh four standards of fair use, including the extent of republication, whether the reuse is itself unique, and how it all affects the commercial market for the original content.&quot; (tags: newspapers business law copyright journalism)     Share this [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Gawker and The Washington Post: A case study in fair use &quot;Whatever your personal opinion about U.S. copyright law and how it should apply on the Internet, judges who consider the question are obliged to weigh four standards of fair use, including the extent of republication, whether the reuse is itself unique, and how it all affects the commercial market for the original content.&quot; (tags: newspapers business law copyright journalism)     Share this [...]</p>
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