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	<title>Comments on: Who, really, is The Associated Press accusing of copyright infringement?</title>
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		<title>By: OLD MEDIA V. NEW MEDIA &#171; ILC Cyber Report</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/who-really-is-the-associated-press-accusing-of-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-127468</link>
		<dc:creator>OLD MEDIA V. NEW MEDIA &#171; ILC Cyber Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] info: Reposting News Stories Is Like Grand Theft Auto? Really?, Daily Online Examiner;  Who, really, is The Associated Press accusing of copyright infringement?, Neiman Journalism [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Associated Press: &#8220;Free Riders&#8221; and A Question of Leadership</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/who-really-is-the-associated-press-accusing-of-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-112346</link>
		<dc:creator>The Associated Press: &#8220;Free Riders&#8221; and A Question of Leadership</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 03:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that this situation really isn&#8217;t as simple as Curley is making it sound. In fact, the AP IS drawing money from major aggregators, like Newser, The Huffington Post, Google News. According to Zachary Seward at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that this situation really isn&#8217;t as simple as Curley is making it sound. In fact, the AP IS drawing money from major aggregators, like Newser, The Huffington Post, Google News. According to Zachary Seward at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Associated Press: &#8220;Free Riders&#8221; and A Question of Leadership &#171; Adventures in Media Development</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/who-really-is-the-associated-press-accusing-of-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-46546</link>
		<dc:creator>The Associated Press: &#8220;Free Riders&#8221; and A Question of Leadership &#171; Adventures in Media Development</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that this situation really isn&#8217;t as simple as Curley is making it sound. In fact, the AP IS drawing money from major aggregators, like Newser, The Huffington Post, Google News. According to Zachary Seward at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that this situation really isn&#8217;t as simple as Curley is making it sound. In fact, the AP IS drawing money from major aggregators, like Newser, The Huffington Post, Google News. According to Zachary Seward at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James R. Bettencroft III</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/who-really-is-the-associated-press-accusing-of-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-36418</link>
		<dc:creator>James R. Bettencroft III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What amazes me is that this IP battle rages on even as the quality of the AP&#039;s news report continues on its steady path toward decline. Where are all the prestigous awards AP used to rack up on a yearly basis? They haven&#039;t won much of anything over the last few years. Could there be a silent revolution in the works whereby AP&#039;s tyranizing leadership gets ousted in the very near future? Let&#039;s face it -- stuffing &quot;Joe the blogger&quot; in a trash can is quite easily accomplished when you are the high and mighty AP but stepping on the NYT&#039;s and other members toes generally doesn&#039;t go over well within the ranks of AP&#039;s dues paying clientele (and those dues aint cheap - let me tell ya... ). This cantankerous IP debate would have served the industry well had it been discussed and implemented five years ago but seeing as the news industry suffers terribly from a lack of substantial leadership right now it comes across as being rather self serving on AP&#039;s part. And it also comes at the worst time... a time when the entire industry could use a good dose medicine not a shot of sanitized and contemptuous legal bickering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What amazes me is that this IP battle rages on even as the quality of the AP&#8217;s news report continues on its steady path toward decline. Where are all the prestigous awards AP used to rack up on a yearly basis? They haven&#8217;t won much of anything over the last few years. Could there be a silent revolution in the works whereby AP&#8217;s tyranizing leadership gets ousted in the very near future? Let&#8217;s face it &#8212; stuffing &#8220;Joe the blogger&#8221; in a trash can is quite easily accomplished when you are the high and mighty AP but stepping on the NYT&#8217;s and other members toes generally doesn&#8217;t go over well within the ranks of AP&#8217;s dues paying clientele (and those dues aint cheap &#8211; let me tell ya&#8230; ). This cantankerous IP debate would have served the industry well had it been discussed and implemented five years ago but seeing as the news industry suffers terribly from a lack of substantial leadership right now it comes across as being rather self serving on AP&#8217;s part. And it also comes at the worst time&#8230; a time when the entire industry could use a good dose medicine not a shot of sanitized and contemptuous legal bickering.</p>
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		<title>By: The easiest Way to Create Articles Public Domain!</title>
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		<dc:creator>The easiest Way to Create Articles Public Domain!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Who, really, is The Associated Press accusing of copyright &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Spidey Vs Venom Music Video &#171; comics</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/who-really-is-the-associated-press-accusing-of-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-33700</link>
		<dc:creator>Spidey Vs Venom Music Video &#171; comics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Who, really, is The Associated Press accusing of copyright &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sparxoo &#187; Google and Future of Information and Copyright</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/who-really-is-the-associated-press-accusing-of-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-31621</link>
		<dc:creator>Sparxoo &#187; Google and Future of Information and Copyright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Associated Press released a statement regarding copyright infringement, and has started charging anyone an upwards of $25 to redistribute single quotes, even if they [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A Must Read &#171; The Castro Manifesto</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/who-really-is-the-associated-press-accusing-of-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-29656</link>
		<dc:creator>A Must Read &#171; The Castro Manifesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out, Craigslist!), copyright laws (forget about linking to an Associated Press story: that’s copyright infringement!), and &#8220;tax policy&#8221; – if we can’t get them by hook or by crook, we’ll just tax the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] out, Craigslist!), copyright laws (forget about linking to an Associated Press story: that’s copyright infringement!), and &#8220;tax policy&#8221; – if we can’t get them by hook or by crook, we’ll just tax the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Coming Media Bailout &#171; Patrick J. Buchanan &#8211; Official Website</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/who-really-is-the-associated-press-accusing-of-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-29552</link>
		<dc:creator>The Coming Media Bailout &#171; Patrick J. Buchanan &#8211; Official Website</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out, Craigslist!), copyright laws (forget about linking to an Associated Press story: that’s copyright infringement!), and &#8220;tax policy&#8221; – if we can’t get them by hook or by crook, we’ll just tax the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] out, Craigslist!), copyright laws (forget about linking to an Associated Press story: that’s copyright infringement!), and &#8220;tax policy&#8221; – if we can’t get them by hook or by crook, we’ll just tax the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Coming Media Bailout &#124; NWOTruth</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/who-really-is-the-associated-press-accusing-of-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-29500</link>
		<dc:creator>The Coming Media Bailout &#124; NWOTruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out, Craigslist!), copyright laws (forget about linking to an Associated Press story: that&#8217;s copyright infringement!), and &quot;tax policy&quot; &#8211; if we can&#8217;t get them by hook or by crook, we&#8217;ll [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] out, Craigslist!), copyright laws (forget about linking to an Associated Press story: that&rsquo;s copyright infringement!), and &quot;tax policy&quot; &ndash; if we can&rsquo;t get them by hook or by crook, we&rsquo;ll [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Linky Goodness - 8/17/2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Linky Goodness - 8/17/2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Who is the Associated Press after? Zachary Seward at the Nieman Journalism Lab is doing an incredible job tracking down and refining what the Associated Press&#8217;s plan are regarding aggregators. I obviously have an interest in this topic, so it&#8217;s been very good to watch Mr. Seward pin them down. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Who is the Associated Press after? Zachary Seward at the Nieman Journalism Lab is doing an incredible job tracking down and refining what the Associated Press&#8217;s plan are regarding aggregators. I obviously have an interest in this topic, so it&#8217;s been very good to watch Mr. Seward pin them down. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Media Dispundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Media Dispundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue is really more about profits and money than it is of fair use and copyright. 

It is no secret that AP and old school media totally got it wrong when it came to the web. Many in paleo-media viewed the web as nothing more than a fad...

Old world media (this includes the AP) got left behind and entire new business models passed them by and now they are no longer the gatekeepers.

However I believe that the AP has been acting badly... They&#039;ve filed lawsuits. sent outrageous DMCA and legal demands etc. From what I read on the DMCA and the actual posts in question I would argue that they fall squarely in the realm of fair use.

What this looks more and more like is that the AP considers that they are entitled to &quot;Own the news&quot;, Not just the expression of the news but the &quot;facts of the day&quot; or as AP&#039;s chief strategist called it &quot;conversation of the day&quot; as well.  This is confirmed by your conversation with Srinandan Kasi.. because it seems to me the moment you start monetizing then the Associated Press will want their cut.

What it looks and smells like to me is that the AP is trying to strong arm and coerce bloggers, the aggregators and online news into accepting terms that no court would ever grant them. The AP is probably willing to bet that not too many people have the resources to mount what would be an expensive fight.

In the end.. it&#039;s all about the money...dontcha know.

Maybe we should turn the tables and require the AP and its members to compensate everyone else when they take content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue is really more about profits and money than it is of fair use and copyright. </p>
<p>It is no secret that AP and old school media totally got it wrong when it came to the web. Many in paleo-media viewed the web as nothing more than a fad&#8230;</p>
<p>Old world media (this includes the AP) got left behind and entire new business models passed them by and now they are no longer the gatekeepers.</p>
<p>However I believe that the AP has been acting badly&#8230; They&#8217;ve filed lawsuits. sent outrageous DMCA and legal demands etc. From what I read on the DMCA and the actual posts in question I would argue that they fall squarely in the realm of fair use.</p>
<p>What this looks more and more like is that the AP considers that they are entitled to &#8220;Own the news&#8221;, Not just the expression of the news but the &#8220;facts of the day&#8221; or as AP&#8217;s chief strategist called it &#8220;conversation of the day&#8221; as well.  This is confirmed by your conversation with Srinandan Kasi.. because it seems to me the moment you start monetizing then the Associated Press will want their cut.</p>
<p>What it looks and smells like to me is that the AP is trying to strong arm and coerce bloggers, the aggregators and online news into accepting terms that no court would ever grant them. The AP is probably willing to bet that not too many people have the resources to mount what would be an expensive fight.</p>
<p>In the end.. it&#8217;s all about the money&#8230;dontcha know.</p>
<p>Maybe we should turn the tables and require the AP and its members to compensate everyone else when they take content.</p>
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		<title>By: William Dodder</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/who-really-is-the-associated-press-accusing-of-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-27450</link>
		<dc:creator>William Dodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 00:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that you should have taken the time to actually read all the complaints, and responses in this case.  Just because the AP alleges it doesn&#039;t make it true or even factual. 

The judge in the case  tossed the unfair competition and trademark claims as &quot;lacked factual support&quot;.  Read his rulings on the motions.  

http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/associated-press-v-all-headline-news

Your sophomoric parroting of a baseless allegation, that was in fact dismissed as baseless and lacking factual merit is simply and completely horrendous. You didn&#039;t even do basic research or fact checking.

Before you print something that could be defaming you owe it to your reputation and Harvard&#039;s to complete some basic fact checking.

Also... Isn&#039;t it ironic that you are basing your wiring on wired&#039;s article (which may or may not be factual) and doing what AP alleged that All Headline News did.  

I, for one, am a IP law student that actually very closely followed the AP vs All Headline News suit and I don&#039;t think that AP would have been able to win the hot news claim (What this suit was really about) and the copyright claim was anyone&#039;s guess.  What this case really smelled like was a much larger competitor trying to sue a newer and smaller competitor out of existence.

I think that the parties in this case made a business decision to settle.. Which is a shame..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that you should have taken the time to actually read all the complaints, and responses in this case.  Just because the AP alleges it doesn&#8217;t make it true or even factual. </p>
<p>The judge in the case  tossed the unfair competition and trademark claims as &#8220;lacked factual support&#8221;.  Read his rulings on the motions.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/associated-press-v-all-headline-news" rel="nofollow">http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/associated-press-v-all-headline-news</a></p>
<p>Your sophomoric parroting of a baseless allegation, that was in fact dismissed as baseless and lacking factual merit is simply and completely horrendous. You didn&#8217;t even do basic research or fact checking.</p>
<p>Before you print something that could be defaming you owe it to your reputation and Harvard&#8217;s to complete some basic fact checking.</p>
<p>Also&#8230; Isn&#8217;t it ironic that you are basing your wiring on wired&#8217;s article (which may or may not be factual) and doing what AP alleged that All Headline News did.  </p>
<p>I, for one, am a IP law student that actually very closely followed the AP vs All Headline News suit and I don&#8217;t think that AP would have been able to win the hot news claim (What this suit was really about) and the copyright claim was anyone&#8217;s guess.  What this case really smelled like was a much larger competitor trying to sue a newer and smaller competitor out of existence.</p>
<p>I think that the parties in this case made a business decision to settle.. Which is a shame..</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls Weblog &#183; Fee Culture vs. Free Culture</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Searls Weblog &#183; Fee Culture vs. Free Culture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] being covered like a blanket by Zachary M. Seward at the Nieman Journalism Lab. His latest post, Who, really, is The Associated Press accusing of copyright infringement? looks in depth at what the AP has been saying and doing, both in public and in secret. The word [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] being covered like a blanket by Zachary M. Seward at the Nieman Journalism Lab. His latest post, Who, really, is The Associated Press accusing of copyright infringement? looks in depth at what the AP has been saying and doing, both in public and in secret. The word [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary M. Seward</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/who-really-is-the-associated-press-accusing-of-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-27383</link>
		<dc:creator>Zachary M. Seward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William, I&#039;m looking into it, but can you provide more information? I based that statement on Wired&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/hot-news-doctrine-defeats-aggregator-site/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;report&lt;/a&gt;, and the AP&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2009/07/ahnlawsuit.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;original complaint&lt;/a&gt; in the case said that proper credit wasn&#039;t given. The AP&#039;s name and logo were also used in some capacity on the site, which appears to be the root of the trademark claim. And &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ap.org/pages/about/pressreleases/pr_071309a.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&#039;s what AHN admitted in the settlement. If you know more, please let me know. Just want to be accurate. —Zach</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William, I&#8217;m looking into it, but can you provide more information? I based that statement on Wired&#8217;s <a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/hot-news-doctrine-defeats-aggregator-site/" rel="nofollow">report</a>, and the AP&#8217;s <a href="http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2009/07/ahnlawsuit.pdf" rel="nofollow">original complaint</a> in the case said that proper credit wasn&#8217;t given. The AP&#8217;s name and logo were also used in some capacity on the site, which appears to be the root of the trademark claim. And <a href="http://www.ap.org/pages/about/pressreleases/pr_071309a.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>&#8216;s what AHN admitted in the settlement. If you know more, please let me know. Just want to be accurate. —Zach</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/who-really-is-the-associated-press-accusing-of-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-27260</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok waxy is cool, but the ap links r childlike...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok waxy is cool, but the ap links r childlike&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe you gave Baio linkage. Lame...respect = &lt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe you gave Baio linkage. Lame&#8230;respect = &lt;</p>
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		<title>By: William Dodder</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Dodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Seward your &quot;journalism&quot; sucks..  The AP tried to sue All Headline News claiming it the complaint that the defendant&#039;s journalistic attribution to AP violated the AP&#039;s trademarks..  So in fact the AP sued BECAUSE they even properly and ethically credited....  Your characterization that they were not shows that you have failed to do your own even basic research and fact checking..   If you had you would have obviously gotten this basic fact straight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Seward your &#8220;journalism&#8221; sucks..  The AP tried to sue All Headline News claiming it the complaint that the defendant&#8217;s journalistic attribution to AP violated the AP&#8217;s trademarks..  So in fact the AP sued BECAUSE they even properly and ethically credited&#8230;.  Your characterization that they were not shows that you have failed to do your own even basic research and fact checking..   If you had you would have obviously gotten this basic fact straight.</p>
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		<title>By: Here&#8217;s the AP document we&#8217;ve been writing about &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/who-really-is-the-associated-press-accusing-of-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-27199</link>
		<dc:creator>Here&#8217;s the AP document we&#8217;ve been writing about &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] distributed to AP executives, board members, and some members late last month. Though I have some more to say tomorrow, this seems like a good time to release the seven-page document in full. Here are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] distributed to AP executives, board members, and some members late last month. Though I have some more to say tomorrow, this seems like a good time to release the seven-page document in full. Here are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley J. Fikes</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/who-really-is-the-associated-press-accusing-of-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-27149</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley J. Fikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zachary,

Thank you for the answers. However, calling Curley&#039;s statements in the NYT article&#039;s a paraphrase begs the question: Was the paraphrase accurate? If it was inaccurate, presumably, Curley would want to correct it.

Of course, if the paraphrase was accurate, Curley would understandably be reluctant to challenge it directly. He&#039;d be putting his credibility against that of the New York Times reporter.

&quot;John sewell&quot;,
I don&#039;t even know who you are, or why asking these reporters to get to the source of all this controversy is &quot;trolling.&quot; But whatever grudge you have against me (I don&#039;t even know who you are), nice job flacking for AP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zachary,</p>
<p>Thank you for the answers. However, calling Curley&#8217;s statements in the NYT article&#8217;s a paraphrase begs the question: Was the paraphrase accurate? If it was inaccurate, presumably, Curley would want to correct it.</p>
<p>Of course, if the paraphrase was accurate, Curley would understandably be reluctant to challenge it directly. He&#8217;d be putting his credibility against that of the New York Times reporter.</p>
<p>&#8220;John sewell&#8221;,<br />
I don&#8217;t even know who you are, or why asking these reporters to get to the source of all this controversy is &#8220;trolling.&#8221; But whatever grudge you have against me (I don&#8217;t even know who you are), nice job flacking for AP.</p>
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		<title>By: John sewell</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/who-really-is-the-associated-press-accusing-of-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-27139</link>
		<dc:creator>John sewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad,
You spend an inordinate amount of time trolling this blog and others, and then telling Zachary and the CJR blogger what questions to ask. How about if you got off your larda--- and asked Curley et al yourself? Or are you too busy rewriting press releases for your venture-capital blog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,<br />
You spend an inordinate amount of time trolling this blog and others, and then telling Zachary and the CJR blogger what questions to ask. How about if you got off your larda&#8212; and asked Curley et al yourself? Or are you too busy rewriting press releases for your venture-capital blog?</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary M. Seward</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/who-really-is-the-associated-press-accusing-of-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-27136</link>
		<dc:creator>Zachary M. Seward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To answer Bradley&#039;s questions:

&gt; Isn’t Curley the best source for what Curley said?

Yes, but it was a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/24/business/media/24content.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;paraphrase&lt;/a&gt;.

&gt; Has Curley said the NYT article was inaccurate? With specific examples?

No.

&gt; Have you every spoken to Curley about the article? Have you even tried?

No, I have not spoken to him, but yes, I have been trying since the Times article was published. 

&gt; And if AP is refusing to make Curley available, why don’t you say so?

I&#039;ve made it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/why-the-associated-press-plans-to-hold-some-web-content-off-the-wire/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;clear&lt;/a&gt; that the AP &lt;a href=&quot;http://daggle.com/ap-were-done-1151&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stopped&lt;/a&gt; answering questions about its copyright stance and have &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/NiemanLab/status/2879346323&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;expressed&lt;/a&gt; my frustration with that decision.

&gt; Did you get the document with any help from or the knowledge of any AP executives?

No.

&gt; If so, did anyone from AP impose conditions on your release of the document or the terms under which they would talk to you, or what your articles would contain?

No.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer Bradley&#8217;s questions:</p>
<p>> Isn’t Curley the best source for what Curley said?</p>
<p>Yes, but it was a <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/24/business/media/24content.html" rel="nofollow">paraphrase</a>.</p>
<p>> Has Curley said the NYT article was inaccurate? With specific examples?</p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>> Have you every spoken to Curley about the article? Have you even tried?</p>
<p>No, I have not spoken to him, but yes, I have been trying since the Times article was published. </p>
<p>> And if AP is refusing to make Curley available, why don’t you say so?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve made it <a href="http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/why-the-associated-press-plans-to-hold-some-web-content-off-the-wire/" rel="nofollow">clear</a> that the AP <a href="http://daggle.com/ap-were-done-1151" rel="nofollow">stopped</a> answering questions about its copyright stance and have <a href="http://twitter.com/NiemanLab/status/2879346323" rel="nofollow">expressed</a> my frustration with that decision.</p>
<p>> Did you get the document with any help from or the knowledge of any AP executives?</p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>> If so, did anyone from AP impose conditions on your release of the document or the terms under which they would talk to you, or what your articles would contain?</p>
<p>No.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Barnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of this matters.

If any organization makes it difficult to obtain info, then I will go elsewhere.

If ALL news organizations make it difficult to obtain news, then I will spend less time on the InnerTubes® and more time reading books. In other words, I will just stop paying attention to the news.

I say this and I am a news junkie. If I am willing to give up news, then what does that say about the average surfer?

If no one reads this difficult to obtain news, then these organizations will go out of business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of this matters.</p>
<p>If any organization makes it difficult to obtain info, then I will go elsewhere.</p>
<p>If ALL news organizations make it difficult to obtain news, then I will spend less time on the InnerTubes® and more time reading books. In other words, I will just stop paying attention to the news.</p>
<p>I say this and I am a news junkie. If I am willing to give up news, then what does that say about the average surfer?</p>
<p>If no one reads this difficult to obtain news, then these organizations will go out of business.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley J. Fikes</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/who-really-is-the-associated-press-accusing-of-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-27131</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley J. Fikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Tom Curley, president and chief executive of the AP, raised a ruckus last month when he seemed to tell The New York Times that using an AP headline that linked to the original article would require a copyright license.&quot;

&quot;Seemed to tell&quot;?

In the interest of transparency, I have a few questions:

Isn&#039;t Curley the best source for what Curley said?

Has Curley said the NYT article was inaccurate? With specific examples?

Have you every spoken to Curley about the article? Have you even tried?

And if AP is refusing to make Curley available, why don&#039;t you say so?

Did you get the document with any help from or the knowledge of any AP executives?

If so, did anyone from AP impose conditions on your release of the document or the terms under which they would talk to you, or what your articles would contain?

If so, what were the terms?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tom Curley, president and chief executive of the AP, raised a ruckus last month when he seemed to tell The New York Times that using an AP headline that linked to the original article would require a copyright license.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Seemed to tell&#8221;?</p>
<p>In the interest of transparency, I have a few questions:</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t Curley the best source for what Curley said?</p>
<p>Has Curley said the NYT article was inaccurate? With specific examples?</p>
<p>Have you every spoken to Curley about the article? Have you even tried?</p>
<p>And if AP is refusing to make Curley available, why don&#8217;t you say so?</p>
<p>Did you get the document with any help from or the knowledge of any AP executives?</p>
<p>If so, did anyone from AP impose conditions on your release of the document or the terms under which they would talk to you, or what your articles would contain?</p>
<p>If so, what were the terms?</p>
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