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		<title>By: Omaha World-Herald buys WikiCity &#124; Save the Media</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/wikicity-aims-to-tap-hyper-niche-markets-for-news-and-information/comment-page-1/#comment-46839</link>
		<dc:creator>Omaha World-Herald buys WikiCity &#124; Save the Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] WikiCity, a hyperlocal site with local content for just more than 22,000 U.S. communities that I wrote about on this blog in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Omaha World-Herald, rethinking its product, buys hyperlocal WikiCity » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omaha World-Herald, rethinking its product, buys hyperlocal WikiCity » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] WikiCity, a hyperlocal site with local content for just more than 22,000 U.S. communities that I wrote about here in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Hottest Niche Markets &#187; Wikicity Aims To Tap Hyper-Niche Markets For News And Information</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hottest Niche Markets &#187; Wikicity Aims To Tap Hyper-Niche Markets For News And Information</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wikicity Aims To Tap Hyper-Niche Markets For News And Information  September 13th, 2009 The NicheMaster      Wikicity Aims To Tap Hyper-Niche Markets For News And Information [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MichaelJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A thing to consider is that hyper niches can also be defined by the intersection of geography and interest. When they overlap it will probably turn into a hot bed of meme exchange. But, the interest will probably spread to different localities.

Maybe a way to think about how this model works for any newspaper in any particular geographic area. Unlike the old days &quot;living&quot; in a small town, does not mean &quot;thinking or talking in a small town.&#039;

So if the appropriate unit of analysis is the &quot;community of interest&quot;, space becomes a dependent as opposed to an independent variable.

The most interesting-to-me way this might play out is in seeing a high school as a spaced bounded community of interest that can distribute it&#039;s memes through parents and teachers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thing to consider is that hyper niches can also be defined by the intersection of geography and interest. When they overlap it will probably turn into a hot bed of meme exchange. But, the interest will probably spread to different localities.</p>
<p>Maybe a way to think about how this model works for any newspaper in any particular geographic area. Unlike the old days &#8220;living&#8221; in a small town, does not mean &#8220;thinking or talking in a small town.&#8217;</p>
<p>So if the appropriate unit of analysis is the &#8220;community of interest&#8221;, space becomes a dependent as opposed to an independent variable.</p>
<p>The most interesting-to-me way this might play out is in seeing a high school as a spaced bounded community of interest that can distribute it&#8217;s memes through parents and teachers.</p>
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		<title>By: Arild Nybø</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arild Nybø</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very interesting. In an ongoing project in Norway, we are using almost a similar idea as a part of our project: http://as.long.as. But I guess we will not use the wiki-model. Some elements in our service will be aggregated, others will be filtered and/or produced by our journalists, hopefully in collaboration with local media and niche media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very interesting. In an ongoing project in Norway, we are using almost a similar idea as a part of our project: <a href="http://as.long.as" rel="nofollow">http://as.long.as</a>. But I guess we will not use the wiki-model. Some elements in our service will be aggregated, others will be filtered and/or produced by our journalists, hopefully in collaboration with local media and niche media.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Chen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perry,

You raise a good point. Many of the WikiCity pages now are empty. That&#039;s why I think the greatest potential success for WikiCity would be in teaming up local newspapers, which could lend the local flare and knowledge. But that may not work either. It&#039;s really unclear to me at this point.

As far as you point about the fallacy of my argument that it&#039;s time-consuming, costly and difficult for smaller papers to build hyperlocal pages, I can&#039;t agree with you there. Maybe it&#039;s possible for some papers, but I think many really don&#039;t have the staffers who know how to do that. They can&#039;t hire, so they must rely on training existing employees on already-depleted staffs. 

The results it you can&#039;t have the instant fluidity that is needed to really make a new project work. It&#039;s more like plan a prototype, put it together over six months and then launch and see if it works. To me, it&#039;s beneficial to get an idea up and running more quickly and, as they say, fail quickly, and tweak as you go.

I guess I wonder if quality hyperlocal projects are so easy for smaller papers, why aren&#039;t they doing a better job at them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perry,</p>
<p>You raise a good point. Many of the WikiCity pages now are empty. That&#8217;s why I think the greatest potential success for WikiCity would be in teaming up local newspapers, which could lend the local flare and knowledge. But that may not work either. It&#8217;s really unclear to me at this point.</p>
<p>As far as you point about the fallacy of my argument that it&#8217;s time-consuming, costly and difficult for smaller papers to build hyperlocal pages, I can&#8217;t agree with you there. Maybe it&#8217;s possible for some papers, but I think many really don&#8217;t have the staffers who know how to do that. They can&#8217;t hire, so they must rely on training existing employees on already-depleted staffs. </p>
<p>The results it you can&#8217;t have the instant fluidity that is needed to really make a new project work. It&#8217;s more like plan a prototype, put it together over six months and then launch and see if it works. To me, it&#8217;s beneficial to get an idea up and running more quickly and, as they say, fail quickly, and tweak as you go.</p>
<p>I guess I wonder if quality hyperlocal projects are so easy for smaller papers, why aren&#8217;t they doing a better job at them?</p>
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		<title>By: Perry Gaskill</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/wikicity-aims-to-tap-hyper-niche-markets-for-news-and-information/comment-page-1/#comment-28280</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry Gaskill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Gina, but it strikes me that WikiCity could serve as a poster child for what&#039;s generally wrong with the direction of hyper-local news efforts. Once again, what we&#039;re seeing is a quasi-franchise business model based on selling low-CPM ads against freely generated content. Nothing special.

Spend any time wandering around WikiCity, and what you find is the same dog who doesn&#039;t bark. No sense of each town&#039;s quirkiness; no sense of place. Instead of a local cafe where the cook knows you like your eggs scrambled, you get an Egg McMuffin.

Back when most newspaper owners actually cared about the towns they served, there was a healthy symbiosis between resident-journalists and non-journalist residents with everyone mostly trying to row the same boat. Reporters were paid because folks found it useful to support somebody who could write well about what the town wanted or needed to know about. All of which is now supposed to somehow be magically replaced with local volunteers interested in helping WikiCity make money.

It should also be mentioned that one of the larger foundational fallacies of the WikiCity model is that, in your words, &quot;building hyperlocal pages and innovations like these, particularly for the smallest newspapers, can be costly, time-consuming and sometimes impossible given technological limitations of staffs.&quot; This is simply not true, or at least not true to the extent you probably think it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Gina, but it strikes me that WikiCity could serve as a poster child for what&#8217;s generally wrong with the direction of hyper-local news efforts. Once again, what we&#8217;re seeing is a quasi-franchise business model based on selling low-CPM ads against freely generated content. Nothing special.</p>
<p>Spend any time wandering around WikiCity, and what you find is the same dog who doesn&#8217;t bark. No sense of each town&#8217;s quirkiness; no sense of place. Instead of a local cafe where the cook knows you like your eggs scrambled, you get an Egg McMuffin.</p>
<p>Back when most newspaper owners actually cared about the towns they served, there was a healthy symbiosis between resident-journalists and non-journalist residents with everyone mostly trying to row the same boat. Reporters were paid because folks found it useful to support somebody who could write well about what the town wanted or needed to know about. All of which is now supposed to somehow be magically replaced with local volunteers interested in helping WikiCity make money.</p>
<p>It should also be mentioned that one of the larger foundational fallacies of the WikiCity model is that, in your words, &#8220;building hyperlocal pages and innovations like these, particularly for the smallest newspapers, can be costly, time-consuming and sometimes impossible given technological limitations of staffs.&#8221; This is simply not true, or at least not true to the extent you probably think it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Text Links Etc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Text Links Etc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] WikiCity aims to tap hyper-niche markets for news and information. [Neiman Journalism Lab] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Web and Technology Links: 18 August 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web and Technology Links: 18 August 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] WikiCity aims to tap hyper-niche markets for news and information. [Neiman Journalism Lab] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: WikiCity aims to offer hyperlocal news, information &#124; Save the Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>WikiCity aims to offer hyperlocal news, information &#124; Save the Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read the rest of the post at Nieman Journalism Lab. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: PhilPhil</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhilPhil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a pretty cool site.  I have spent a lot of time in small towns and they have a real need for this.  One town I go to regularly has a gossip column on the menu in the &quot;best&quot; restaurant in town.  Pork tenderloin sandwiches are $4.95 and includes fries.  Rural areas are better connected than many of us urbanites would imagine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a pretty cool site.  I have spent a lot of time in small towns and they have a real need for this.  One town I go to regularly has a gossip column on the menu in the &#8220;best&#8221; restaurant in town.  Pork tenderloin sandwiches are $4.95 and includes fries.  Rural areas are better connected than many of us urbanites would imagine.</p>
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		<title>By: Harvard Journalism Highlights WikiCity! &#171; WikiCity&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvard Journalism Highlights WikiCity! &#171; WikiCity&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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