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		<title>By: Hyperlocal news sites worth following &#171; Christopher Wink</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/buying-time-in-chi-town/comment-page-1/#comment-65148</link>
		<dc:creator>Hyperlocal news sites worth following &#171; Christopher Wink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] DailyNews &#8212; Chicago&#8217;s online-only news beast made news when it announced plans to shift from nonprofit to a profit [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] DailyNews &#8212; Chicago&#8217;s online-only news beast made news when it announced plans to shift from nonprofit to a profit [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rex F.</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/buying-time-in-chi-town/comment-page-1/#comment-35464</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He wasn&#039;t able to create a sustainable business with 3 years and $300,000.  How&#039;s he supposed to be able to do it with $1M and investors who expect an actual return breathing down his neck?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He wasn&#8217;t able to create a sustainable business with 3 years and $300,000.  How&#8217;s he supposed to be able to do it with $1M and investors who expect an actual return breathing down his neck?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Barnett</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/buying-time-in-chi-town/comment-page-1/#comment-34615</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid you&#039;ve misread again. For those who simply want to maximize revenues, I&#039;d agree absolutely that the nonprofit model probably is the wrong way to go. Again, I think this point is obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid you&#8217;ve misread again. For those who simply want to maximize revenues, I&#8217;d agree absolutely that the nonprofit model probably is the wrong way to go. Again, I think this point is obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Potts</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/buying-time-in-chi-town/comment-page-1/#comment-34612</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Potts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve spoken to Geoff, who&#039;s a friend, about what happened at ChiTown Daily News, and he believes non-profit status, among other things, crimped his ability to maximize revenue. Maybe you should do some reporting and talk to him about why he&#039;s making the switch, rather than speculating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve spoken to Geoff, who&#8217;s a friend, about what happened at ChiTown Daily News, and he believes non-profit status, among other things, crimped his ability to maximize revenue. Maybe you should do some reporting and talk to him about why he&#8217;s making the switch, rather than speculating.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Kramer</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/buying-time-in-chi-town/comment-page-1/#comment-34588</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Kramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both nonprofits and for-profits have to focus on finding enough revenue and dealing with all the challenges that raises for independence, pressures on management&#039;s time, etc. But nonprofit journalism enterprises can sell advertising -- MinnPost is covering about 25% of its expenses this year with a combination of advertising and sponsorships, and we aim to increase that percentage next year.  I find it difficult to imagine how a serious local journalism enterprise brings in enough advertising revenue to totally cover the high costs of public affairs reporting and editing, let alone generate profits.  That&#039;s why we also rely on individual donors (about 1,700 so far) and foundations. I wish all the for-profit experiments out there great success, but the nonprofit model can also be quite flexible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both nonprofits and for-profits have to focus on finding enough revenue and dealing with all the challenges that raises for independence, pressures on management&#8217;s time, etc. But nonprofit journalism enterprises can sell advertising &#8212; MinnPost is covering about 25% of its expenses this year with a combination of advertising and sponsorships, and we aim to increase that percentage next year.  I find it difficult to imagine how a serious local journalism enterprise brings in enough advertising revenue to totally cover the high costs of public affairs reporting and editing, let alone generate profits.  That&#8217;s why we also rely on individual donors (about 1,700 so far) and foundations. I wish all the for-profit experiments out there great success, but the nonprofit model can also be quite flexible.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Barnett</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/buying-time-in-chi-town/comment-page-1/#comment-34587</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Careful, Mark.

There&#039;s absolutely nothing about the nonprofit model that precludes selling advertising or pursuing other revenue sources, and Dougherty said nothing to that effect in his post on Friday. (The CUNY News Innovation model, in fact, assumes that about half a nonprofit&#039;s revenues could come from advertising by Year 3.) If CTDN couldn&#039;t generate the advertising revenues they needed, then that&#039;s a reflection of their own effort or self-imposed limitation, and it should not be represented as anything else.

When you operate a newsroom or any business as a for-profit, your first duty -- your fiduciary duty -- is to your investors. You owe it to them to protect their investment. A nonprofit&#039;s first duty is to its mission, whether it&#039;s news, fighting homelessness or curing disease. Those are statements of fact, not &quot;claptrap&quot; or idealism. There are different ways of doing things, and they have different outcomes.

At the same time, to say that a nonprofit has to generate enough money to sustain its operations is a blinding glimpse of the obvious. Any business does. And of course there&#039;s no &quot;magic wand&quot; that comes with the nonprofit model -- no one here is claiming that there is. If anything, a nonprofit business needs to be smarter and more innovative than its for-profit counterparts.

The nonprofit model isn&#039;t a cureall; nor is the for-profit model. There is a place for both, especially in a time of such upheaval in the news business. We&#039;d do well to discuss them both in an informed, thoughtful way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Careful, Mark.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s absolutely nothing about the nonprofit model that precludes selling advertising or pursuing other revenue sources, and Dougherty said nothing to that effect in his post on Friday. (The CUNY News Innovation model, in fact, assumes that about half a nonprofit&#8217;s revenues could come from advertising by Year 3.) If CTDN couldn&#8217;t generate the advertising revenues they needed, then that&#8217;s a reflection of their own effort or self-imposed limitation, and it should not be represented as anything else.</p>
<p>When you operate a newsroom or any business as a for-profit, your first duty &#8212; your fiduciary duty &#8212; is to your investors. You owe it to them to protect their investment. A nonprofit&#8217;s first duty is to its mission, whether it&#8217;s news, fighting homelessness or curing disease. Those are statements of fact, not &#8220;claptrap&#8221; or idealism. There are different ways of doing things, and they have different outcomes.</p>
<p>At the same time, to say that a nonprofit has to generate enough money to sustain its operations is a blinding glimpse of the obvious. Any business does. And of course there&#8217;s no &#8220;magic wand&#8221; that comes with the nonprofit model &#8212; no one here is claiming that there is. If anything, a nonprofit business needs to be smarter and more innovative than its for-profit counterparts.</p>
<p>The nonprofit model isn&#8217;t a cureall; nor is the for-profit model. There is a place for both, especially in a time of such upheaval in the news business. We&#8217;d do well to discuss them both in an informed, thoughtful way.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Potts</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/buying-time-in-chi-town/comment-page-1/#comment-34576</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Potts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This statement: &quot;The great strength of the nonprofit model, I believe, is that it puts the needs of the newsroom ahead of all others,&quot; is idealistic claptrap. Indeed, Dougherty found that the primary responsibility of a non-profit was to raise enough money to support that newsroom. What non-profit status inhibited was his ability to sell advertising and pursue other revenue sources to support his efforts, and his switch to for-profit status will solve that. 

Moreover, the idea that investors will somehow inhibit his coverage is similarly ridiculous. What investors care about is making money (that&#039;s not a bad thing, incidentally). If Dougherty&#039;s new venture successfully gains an audience and advertisers, he&#039;ll have happy investors. He won&#039;t have to &quot;ask permission of his investors&quot; for anything else.

Dougherty&#039;s experience highlights the great limitations of the non-profit model, chief among them that even a non-profit has to generate enough money to sustain its operations. There&#039;s no magic wand that protects any non-profit--even a news operation--from that simple law of economics. For-profit status, in most cases, provides more flexibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This statement: &#8220;The great strength of the nonprofit model, I believe, is that it puts the needs of the newsroom ahead of all others,&#8221; is idealistic claptrap. Indeed, Dougherty found that the primary responsibility of a non-profit was to raise enough money to support that newsroom. What non-profit status inhibited was his ability to sell advertising and pursue other revenue sources to support his efforts, and his switch to for-profit status will solve that. </p>
<p>Moreover, the idea that investors will somehow inhibit his coverage is similarly ridiculous. What investors care about is making money (that&#8217;s not a bad thing, incidentally). If Dougherty&#8217;s new venture successfully gains an audience and advertisers, he&#8217;ll have happy investors. He won&#8217;t have to &#8220;ask permission of his investors&#8221; for anything else.</p>
<p>Dougherty&#8217;s experience highlights the great limitations of the non-profit model, chief among them that even a non-profit has to generate enough money to sustain its operations. There&#8217;s no magic wand that protects any non-profit&#8211;even a news operation&#8211;from that simple law of economics. For-profit status, in most cases, provides more flexibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Case Ernsting</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/buying-time-in-chi-town/comment-page-1/#comment-34574</link>
		<dc:creator>Case Ernsting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great story. I&#039;m choosing to fall on the side of, &quot;This is the next evolution&quot; rather than, &quot;This is the end&quot;.  The CTDN was a pioneer for other groups to follow and hopefully, this is just the next step in a successful model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great story. I&#8217;m choosing to fall on the side of, &#8220;This is the next evolution&#8221; rather than, &#8220;This is the end&#8221;.  The CTDN was a pioneer for other groups to follow and hopefully, this is just the next step in a successful model.</p>
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