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		<title>By: The iTunes of News? &#171; excapite</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/micropayments-for-news-the-holy-grail-or-just-a-dangerous-delusion/comment-page-1/#comment-62121</link>
		<dc:creator>The iTunes of News? &#171; excapite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] far the best piece I have uncovered so far is this detailed post by Mathew Ingram for Nieman Labs Micropayments for news: The holy grail or just a dangerous delusion?. It provides a detailed and balance review of the pro&#8217;s and con&#8217;s facing the newspaper [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Your readers are paying you &#8212; with attention</title>
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		<dc:creator>Your readers are paying you &#8212; with attention</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Santori made a similar point in a comment on one of my paywall-related posts at the Nieman Journalism Lab. As he put it: &#8220;overlooked in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/micropayments-for-news-the-holy-grail-or-just-a-dangerous-delusion/comment-page-1/#comment-49654</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a really great point, David -- sharing (in other words, redistributing) the content is a crucial part of social media, and disconnecting people from that by putting up pay walls means effectively shutting down a really fundamental aspect of online behaviour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a really great point, David &#8212; sharing (in other words, redistributing) the content is a crucial part of social media, and disconnecting people from that by putting up pay walls means effectively shutting down a really fundamental aspect of online behaviour.</p>
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		<title>By: David Cortesi</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Cortesi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overlooked in all this is the social aspect: any web item that interests or amuses or intrigues me, I want to share. And if I can&#039;t share it promptly and easily -- in an email link or on my blog or Facebook &quot;wall&quot; or in a tweet -- I will be frustrated and irked just in proportion to the degree of interest I felt in the item.

The more interesting I found it, the more &quot;valuable&quot; in any sense the item was in my eyes, the more I want to pass it along -- and the angrier I will be when the link doesn&#039;t work, or when it doesn&#039;t go to the item proper (Evan Rudowski&#039;s notion that a link back to the originating site alone will do is hopeful malarky), or when sends my correspondents to a bare abstract with a &quot;pay here&quot; link to see more.

This remains the case when the micropayment is zero -- remember the NYT registration system? How many times did you see in slashdot or digg a link to a NYT story with an embarrassed &quot;(registration required)&quot; after it? The NYT registration barrier was in fact a micropayment system, one in which the payment was extracted in the form of the reader&#039;s time and keystrokes to log in whenever they got a link to a useful story.

I cannot imagine a micropayment system that would place a LOWER barrier to casual linking than the old NYT registration system did. But it was widely detested and widely flouted. People who wanted to share a NYT story on digg or facebook knew their correspondents hated having to sign in to read something, so they -- almost without conscious thought -- just dragged over the text, hit copy and then hit paste. Violating copyright, not to mention often expunging the byline, losing the formatting, omitting to mention the source, and not infrequently introducing undocumented errors, omissions or intentional changes.

By dropping their registration system the NYT regained some measure of control over their content. Now most sharing would be via simple links back to the original, at least preserving the author&#039;s byline, the format, the complete text, and the accompanying illustrations. And giving the NYT some slight chance of selling marginal ads.

No content-control system that impedes people from easily sharing content in their tweets, blogs, emails and other networking media, will work. If the content is really compelling, people will share it by copy/paste. If it isn&#039;t, they just won&#039;t bother, and readership will wither.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overlooked in all this is the social aspect: any web item that interests or amuses or intrigues me, I want to share. And if I can&#8217;t share it promptly and easily &#8212; in an email link or on my blog or Facebook &#8220;wall&#8221; or in a tweet &#8212; I will be frustrated and irked just in proportion to the degree of interest I felt in the item.</p>
<p>The more interesting I found it, the more &#8220;valuable&#8221; in any sense the item was in my eyes, the more I want to pass it along &#8212; and the angrier I will be when the link doesn&#8217;t work, or when it doesn&#8217;t go to the item proper (Evan Rudowski&#8217;s notion that a link back to the originating site alone will do is hopeful malarky), or when sends my correspondents to a bare abstract with a &#8220;pay here&#8221; link to see more.</p>
<p>This remains the case when the micropayment is zero &#8212; remember the NYT registration system? How many times did you see in slashdot or digg a link to a NYT story with an embarrassed &#8220;(registration required)&#8221; after it? The NYT registration barrier was in fact a micropayment system, one in which the payment was extracted in the form of the reader&#8217;s time and keystrokes to log in whenever they got a link to a useful story.</p>
<p>I cannot imagine a micropayment system that would place a LOWER barrier to casual linking than the old NYT registration system did. But it was widely detested and widely flouted. People who wanted to share a NYT story on digg or facebook knew their correspondents hated having to sign in to read something, so they &#8212; almost without conscious thought &#8212; just dragged over the text, hit copy and then hit paste. Violating copyright, not to mention often expunging the byline, losing the formatting, omitting to mention the source, and not infrequently introducing undocumented errors, omissions or intentional changes.</p>
<p>By dropping their registration system the NYT regained some measure of control over their content. Now most sharing would be via simple links back to the original, at least preserving the author&#8217;s byline, the format, the complete text, and the accompanying illustrations. And giving the NYT some slight chance of selling marginal ads.</p>
<p>No content-control system that impedes people from easily sharing content in their tweets, blogs, emails and other networking media, will work. If the content is really compelling, people will share it by copy/paste. If it isn&#8217;t, they just won&#8217;t bother, and readership will wither.</p>
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		<title>By: This week in media musings: Shirky speaks, and three new projects to watch &#124; Mark Coddington</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/micropayments-for-news-the-holy-grail-or-just-a-dangerous-delusion/comment-page-1/#comment-39123</link>
		<dc:creator>This week in media musings: Shirky speaks, and three new projects to watch &#124; Mark Coddington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this week, and the battleground du jour seems to be micropayments. The Globe and Mail&#8217;s Mathew Ingram doesn&#8217;t like them because newspapers don&#8217;t have a monopoly on their industry anymore. Pat Thornton agrees and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Il ReteGiornale - la Tua Voce in Rete&#187; Libertà d'informazione &#187; Volano numeri contrastanti sulla questione del pagamento dei contenuti online</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/micropayments-for-news-the-holy-grail-or-just-a-dangerous-delusion/comment-page-1/#comment-37506</link>
		<dc:creator>Il ReteGiornale - la Tua Voce in Rete&#187; Libertà d'informazione &#187; Volano numeri contrastanti sulla questione del pagamento dei contenuti online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] disposti a pagare preferirebbero farlo con un abbonamento annuale &#160;piuttosto che con il &#160;controverso sistema dei micropagamenti oppure del pagamento giorno per giorno, e che per rale abbonamento annuale &#160;il 72% degli [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] disposti a pagare preferirebbero farlo con un abbonamento annuale &nbsp;piuttosto che con il &nbsp;controverso sistema dei micropagamenti oppure del pagamento giorno per giorno, e che per rale abbonamento annuale &nbsp;il 72% degli [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Volano numeri contrastanti sulla questione del pagamento dei contenuti online &#124; LSDI</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/micropayments-for-news-the-holy-grail-or-just-a-dangerous-delusion/comment-page-1/#comment-37457</link>
		<dc:creator>Volano numeri contrastanti sulla questione del pagamento dei contenuti online &#124; LSDI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] disposti a pagare preferirebbero farlo con un abbonamento annuale &#160;piuttosto che con il &#160;controverso sistema dei micropagamenti oppure del pagamento giorno per giorno, e che per rale abbonamento annuale &#160;il 72% degli [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bunyip</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/micropayments-for-news-the-holy-grail-or-just-a-dangerous-delusion/comment-page-1/#comment-37259</link>
		<dc:creator>Bunyip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, when Leo Hindery and Steve Brill talk, I listen. Brill&#039;s Content was such a huge success, and as for Leo&#039;s time at the helm of Global Crossing, well, need I say more. Leo always seems to omit that chapter of his career from his CV. Just a very modest chap, I guess....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, when Leo Hindery and Steve Brill talk, I listen. Brill&#8217;s Content was such a huge success, and as for Leo&#8217;s time at the helm of Global Crossing, well, need I say more. Leo always seems to omit that chapter of his career from his CV. Just a very modest chap, I guess&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Glasberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Glasberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 02:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mathew,

This is Clay Shirky&#039;s text about iTunes:

 &quot;Fans of the iTunes model are right to point out that people use it because they find it more convenient, but they overlook the legal and regulatory hurdles put in place precisely to make other models less convenient (especially for law-abiding citizens.) (...) Newspapers, even if every single one of them acted in collusion, cannot establish a monopoly on news.&quot;

I think it is indeed important to analyze why iTunes is more convenient than downloading music through file-sharing software, but it&#039;s not at all for the reason Shirky points out. Basically Shirky is saying that users are buying from iTunes because they are forced to, they have no other option. This is simply not true. Monopoly by one definition is the market condition that exists when there is only one seller. I can hardly see how a company can be called a monopolist if you can get the same or almost the same product for free from your home computer. In addition, I have talked to dozens of friends who regularly buy from iTunes and not a single one told me they use the service because they think they would not be law-abiding citizens if they downloaded it for free.

If the overwhelming majority of Internet users don&#039;t think it is wrong downloading music for free how is iTunes selling content hand over fist? The answer is that users already have iPods and iPhones. iPods connect directly with iTunes music player. iTunes music player is also itself the browser for iTunes Music Store, and for the App Store that sells iPhone applications. iPhone only lets users upload applications from App Store, and so on. The result is that once you are inside Apple&#039;s virtual perimeter, it&#039;s not at all the same to get music from some other music store.

Shirky is right when he says that people find iTunes more convenient because there are hurdles put in place precisely to make other models less convenient, but the hurdle is not legal or regulatory. The hurdle is that Apple has created a significant mental transaction cost (a psychological factor) for you to acquire music *outside* of Apple&#039;s music store, once you have an iPod.


@Steve Outing:
I have an original thought for you: how content providers (including news websites) can replicate what Apple has done with iTunes: http://www.icents.net/en/website/TheNewCaseForMicropayments2009.html


@Phillip Hallam-Baker:
About the risk that the payment system itself becomes a monopoly: users should be able to pay with the payment systems they already use. In other words, a micropayment platform should simply aggregate regular payment systems, like PayPal, Google Checkout, Zong, Amazon Payments etc, and &quot;change them&quot; so they work for micropayments. This is what iCents.net does.

@Mathew: sorry for the long comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mathew,</p>
<p>This is Clay Shirky&#8217;s text about iTunes:</p>
<p> &#8220;Fans of the iTunes model are right to point out that people use it because they find it more convenient, but they overlook the legal and regulatory hurdles put in place precisely to make other models less convenient (especially for law-abiding citizens.) (&#8230;) Newspapers, even if every single one of them acted in collusion, cannot establish a monopoly on news.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it is indeed important to analyze why iTunes is more convenient than downloading music through file-sharing software, but it&#8217;s not at all for the reason Shirky points out. Basically Shirky is saying that users are buying from iTunes because they are forced to, they have no other option. This is simply not true. Monopoly by one definition is the market condition that exists when there is only one seller. I can hardly see how a company can be called a monopolist if you can get the same or almost the same product for free from your home computer. In addition, I have talked to dozens of friends who regularly buy from iTunes and not a single one told me they use the service because they think they would not be law-abiding citizens if they downloaded it for free.</p>
<p>If the overwhelming majority of Internet users don&#8217;t think it is wrong downloading music for free how is iTunes selling content hand over fist? The answer is that users already have iPods and iPhones. iPods connect directly with iTunes music player. iTunes music player is also itself the browser for iTunes Music Store, and for the App Store that sells iPhone applications. iPhone only lets users upload applications from App Store, and so on. The result is that once you are inside Apple&#8217;s virtual perimeter, it&#8217;s not at all the same to get music from some other music store.</p>
<p>Shirky is right when he says that people find iTunes more convenient because there are hurdles put in place precisely to make other models less convenient, but the hurdle is not legal or regulatory. The hurdle is that Apple has created a significant mental transaction cost (a psychological factor) for you to acquire music *outside* of Apple&#8217;s music store, once you have an iPod.</p>
<p>@Steve Outing:<br />
I have an original thought for you: how content providers (including news websites) can replicate what Apple has done with iTunes: <a href="http://www.icents.net/en/website/TheNewCaseForMicropayments2009.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.icents.net/en/website/TheNewCaseForMicropayments2009.html</a></p>
<p>@Phillip Hallam-Baker:<br />
About the risk that the payment system itself becomes a monopoly: users should be able to pay with the payment systems they already use. In other words, a micropayment platform should simply aggregate regular payment systems, like PayPal, Google Checkout, Zong, Amazon Payments etc, and &#8220;change them&#8221; so they work for micropayments. This is what iCents.net does.</p>
<p>@Mathew: sorry for the long comment!</p>
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		<title>By: ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator>ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Evan Rudowski
Agreed.
Your example brings up another point. Authority.
It seems to me your example is a specialist &quot;social&quot; network with the focus on herbs. 
Common interest, common context. But also by association, authority.
Newspapers claim authority for their reporting. 
Questions is, do they have that authority or do just claim to have it. My guess it People have found out that most stories are aggregated from other sources therefor have little authority as reporting from a given newspaper.
Not a good thing to make me want pay for that article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Evan Rudowski<br />
Agreed.<br />
Your example brings up another point. Authority.<br />
It seems to me your example is a specialist &#8220;social&#8221; network with the focus on herbs.<br />
Common interest, common context. But also by association, authority.<br />
Newspapers claim authority for their reporting.<br />
Questions is, do they have that authority or do just claim to have it. My guess it People have found out that most stories are aggregated from other sources therefor have little authority as reporting from a given newspaper.<br />
Not a good thing to make me want pay for that article.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Rudowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Rudowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ronald

I think another deficiency in the current debate is that all everyone is talking about is how to get people to pay for an old format -- a news article -- in a new medium, online.

In reality the new medium offers new formats, and that is what people will pay for. I may not pay for a news article on herbs, for example, but I may pay to be part of a knowledgeable community of herbalists who share information, ideas and encouragement (one of our very successful SubHub sites, herbmentor.com).

Most of the noisy current debate is by old media companies trying to figure out how to get people to pay for old content formats. Why should they? The old media companies are not spending nearly as much time thinking of how to create something new as they are thinking of how to charge people for the old stuff.

The people who are using the capabilities of the new medium to create something new are the ones who will find they are successful, at charging for content and at attracting advertisers.

Kind regards,
Evan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ronald</p>
<p>I think another deficiency in the current debate is that all everyone is talking about is how to get people to pay for an old format &#8212; a news article &#8212; in a new medium, online.</p>
<p>In reality the new medium offers new formats, and that is what people will pay for. I may not pay for a news article on herbs, for example, but I may pay to be part of a knowledgeable community of herbalists who share information, ideas and encouragement (one of our very successful SubHub sites, herbmentor.com).</p>
<p>Most of the noisy current debate is by old media companies trying to figure out how to get people to pay for old content formats. Why should they? The old media companies are not spending nearly as much time thinking of how to create something new as they are thinking of how to charge people for the old stuff.</p>
<p>The people who are using the capabilities of the new medium to create something new are the ones who will find they are successful, at charging for content and at attracting advertisers.</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />
Evan</p>
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		<title>By: ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator>ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Evan Rudowski
Maybe one size doesn&#039;t fit all.  Maybe &quot;you&quot; provide something useful.
Let&#039;s see:
Information = Data in context
Context = Organized data
Learning = Self Organization of data (builds context)

Now if we have a small well defined context one can provide useful new information by organizing data for a reader. Specially if I need that information &quot;now&quot; to do something.

If we have a large shared context build upon the environment/culture we live in. Providing something &quot;new&quot; is rather difficult. I can scan for example a headline and know what the article will be about without reading it, since I already have a context with many overlapping areas. And will make up what&#039;s missing with a good enough ratio.

The question becomes what it is worth to me, in the first place something. If somebody organizes data for me to make it easier to grasp the relations that&#039;s worth something. IFF it fits my model of context. 
In the later case, well not so much since the information value is really,really small. 
But most articles fall in the second category for most people. Then again we work from our context, if &quot;you&quot; provide some real information in a small context, people might be willing to pay for it. 

If somebody would provide a better craigslist for example. Organize data from local providers, maps, prices, reviews (local, I don&#039;t care for flatland car reviews, I live in the Colorado mountains and need a car which can handle snow, right now) to a given search. My guess is, that would be worth something at least to the local advertisers and most likely to customers too.
Intent on those searches is really high, see above.

Or in other words shallow articles without much information since they are based on a wide shared context just won&#039;t cut it. Or one can twitter about shallow stuff, most people will get it, but hardly about scientific research, most people will go huh?  
Btw, to make things worse. We are working on a system to automate all of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Evan Rudowski<br />
Maybe one size doesn&#8217;t fit all.  Maybe &#8220;you&#8221; provide something useful.<br />
Let&#8217;s see:<br />
Information = Data in context<br />
Context = Organized data<br />
Learning = Self Organization of data (builds context)</p>
<p>Now if we have a small well defined context one can provide useful new information by organizing data for a reader. Specially if I need that information &#8220;now&#8221; to do something.</p>
<p>If we have a large shared context build upon the environment/culture we live in. Providing something &#8220;new&#8221; is rather difficult. I can scan for example a headline and know what the article will be about without reading it, since I already have a context with many overlapping areas. And will make up what&#8217;s missing with a good enough ratio.</p>
<p>The question becomes what it is worth to me, in the first place something. If somebody organizes data for me to make it easier to grasp the relations that&#8217;s worth something. IFF it fits my model of context.<br />
In the later case, well not so much since the information value is really,really small.<br />
But most articles fall in the second category for most people. Then again we work from our context, if &#8220;you&#8221; provide some real information in a small context, people might be willing to pay for it. </p>
<p>If somebody would provide a better craigslist for example. Organize data from local providers, maps, prices, reviews (local, I don&#8217;t care for flatland car reviews, I live in the Colorado mountains and need a car which can handle snow, right now) to a given search. My guess is, that would be worth something at least to the local advertisers and most likely to customers too.<br />
Intent on those searches is really high, see above.</p>
<p>Or in other words shallow articles without much information since they are based on a wide shared context just won&#8217;t cut it. Or one can twitter about shallow stuff, most people will get it, but hardly about scientific research, most people will go huh?<br />
Btw, to make things worse. We are working on a system to automate all of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Journalista &#8211; the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sept. 23, 2009: A sliver of hypocrisy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalista &#8211; the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sept. 23, 2009: A sliver of hypocrisy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries, Evan -- happens all the time :-)  Thanks for the comment.</description>
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		<title>By: Evan Rudowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Rudowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. And apologies, Mathew, for misspelling your name in my previous comment!</description>
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		<title>By: Evan Rudowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Rudowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since we at SubHub run one of the few commercially successful subscription and membership website publishing solutions, with more than 500 sites on our network, I am always interested in these discussions.

In these conversations, certain points are frequently misunderstood or misrepresented, as evidenced in some of the comments above.

The main one is that subscription websites do not benefit from the link economy, as their content is locked behind a &quot;pay wall.&quot;

Any good subscription website will publish a blend of free and paid content, with the free content being more than enough to cause the site to be well indexed by the search engines and linked to by those interested in the subject.

Additionally, even the paid content behind the so-called &quot;wall&quot; can be published in a way that leaves headlines and article summaries exposed to the search engines, causing the individual paid articles to be indexed just fine.

If we are going to have a legitimate conversation about the relative benefits of different revenue models, it&#039;s important that people truly understand the functionality of these models.

There&#039;s a lot of genuine and honest misunderstanding, and some of this is unfortunately exacerbated by pundits who know better but perpetuate the negative myths because it reinforces the strident positions they&#039;ve taken for or against one method or another.

Your blog, Matthew, has always been well balanced and thoughtful, so thanks for that!

Kind regards,
Evan Rudowski</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we at SubHub run one of the few commercially successful subscription and membership website publishing solutions, with more than 500 sites on our network, I am always interested in these discussions.</p>
<p>In these conversations, certain points are frequently misunderstood or misrepresented, as evidenced in some of the comments above.</p>
<p>The main one is that subscription websites do not benefit from the link economy, as their content is locked behind a &#8220;pay wall.&#8221;</p>
<p>Any good subscription website will publish a blend of free and paid content, with the free content being more than enough to cause the site to be well indexed by the search engines and linked to by those interested in the subject.</p>
<p>Additionally, even the paid content behind the so-called &#8220;wall&#8221; can be published in a way that leaves headlines and article summaries exposed to the search engines, causing the individual paid articles to be indexed just fine.</p>
<p>If we are going to have a legitimate conversation about the relative benefits of different revenue models, it&#8217;s important that people truly understand the functionality of these models.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of genuine and honest misunderstanding, and some of this is unfortunately exacerbated by pundits who know better but perpetuate the negative myths because it reinforces the strident positions they&#8217;ve taken for or against one method or another.</p>
<p>Your blog, Matthew, has always been well balanced and thoughtful, so thanks for that!</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />
Evan Rudowski</p>
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		<title>By: Flow &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily Digest for September 23rd - The zeitgeist daily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flow &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily Digest for September 23rd - The zeitgeist daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Robert H. Heath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert H. Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 05:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad link in previous comment.  Here is a working one.

http://roberthheath.blogspot.com/2009/07/clueless-in-chicago-unraveling.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad link in previous comment.  Here is a working one.</p>
<p><a href="http://roberthheath.blogspot.com/2009/07/clueless-in-chicago-unraveling.html" rel="nofollow">http://roberthheath.blogspot.com/2009/07/clueless-in-chicago-unraveling.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert H. Heath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert H. Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 05:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article, and thanks for the link to Clay Shirky&#039;s 2003 article.  

I can add nothing to Shirky&#039;s arguments why micro-payments are likely to fail.  He&#039;s done a masterly job of showing why the micro-payment approach is less efficient than the alternatives: aggregation, subscription and subsidy.

Even if he&#039;s wrong (and I seriously doubt it) a successful micro-payments based business model will only expose how much of traditional newspaper economics are based on bundling other people&#039;s content.  The web does a pretty good job of that at a pretty reasonable price, which will make it impossible for newspapers to reclaim that revenue on or off the web.

For more on this topic, see my post at http://roberthheath.blogspot.com/2009/07/clueless-in-chicago-unraveling.html.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article, and thanks for the link to Clay Shirky&#8217;s 2003 article.  </p>
<p>I can add nothing to Shirky&#8217;s arguments why micro-payments are likely to fail.  He&#8217;s done a masterly job of showing why the micro-payment approach is less efficient than the alternatives: aggregation, subscription and subsidy.</p>
<p>Even if he&#8217;s wrong (and I seriously doubt it) a successful micro-payments based business model will only expose how much of traditional newspaper economics are based on bundling other people&#8217;s content.  The web does a pretty good job of that at a pretty reasonable price, which will make it impossible for newspapers to reclaim that revenue on or off the web.</p>
<p>For more on this topic, see my post at <a href="http://roberthheath.blogspot.com/2009/07/clueless-in-chicago-unraveling.html" rel="nofollow">http://roberthheath.blogspot.com/2009/07/clueless-in-chicago-unraveling.html</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Thoughts on why micropayments are a dangerous delusion &#124; The Journalism Iconoclast</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Thoughts on why micropayments are a dangerous delusion &#124; The Journalism Iconoclast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ingram has a post over at The Nieman Journalism Lab asking if micropayments are the holy grail or a dangerous delusion? I think the answer is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-09-22 &#124; Joanna Geary</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/micropayments-for-news-the-holy-grail-or-just-a-dangerous-delusion/comment-page-1/#comment-36793</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-09-22 &#124; Joanna Geary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Micropayments for news: The holy grail or just a dangerous delusion? &quot;The unfortunate reality is that even the best micropayment system is not going to recreate that system of artificial scarcity and control — and some have argued that micropayments could even be bad for journalism as a whole, putting pressure on individual stories to be revenue generators.&quot; (tags: journalism newspapers business micropayments) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Micropayments for news: The holy grail or just a dangerous delusion? &quot;The unfortunate reality is that even the best micropayment system is not going to recreate that system of artificial scarcity and control — and some have argued that micropayments could even be bad for journalism as a whole, putting pressure on individual stories to be revenue generators.&quot; (tags: journalism newspapers business micropayments) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Micropayments are like Flying Cars and Cities under the Ocean &#171; Carpet Bomberz Inc.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micropayments are like Flying Cars and Cities under the Ocean &#171; Carpet Bomberz Inc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] via Micropayments for news: The holy grail or just a dangerous delusion? » Nieman Journalism Lab. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Katherine Warman Kern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine Warman Kern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no one solution to generating more consumer revenues for newspapers.  

Micropayments are a way to eliminate one hurdle: resistance to an all or nothing choice (i.e., subscribe or you get nothing).

Micropayments enable paid trial: if marketed effectively is much more effective than trying to convince people attracted to a free offer to upgrade because the people to whom free appeals are the least likely to be interested in paying anything at all.  

But micropayments should be part of a more comprehensive marketing strategy involving product, pricing, promotion, and placement.

Mainly inpsired by a back and forth with Paul Graham about his post &quot;Post-Media Publishing&quot;- http://bit.ly/MenLY - I just posted that a turning point may come when publishers recognize they are in the B2C (business to consumer) not the B2B (business to business, namely advertisers).  http://bit.ly/h7eEi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no one solution to generating more consumer revenues for newspapers.  </p>
<p>Micropayments are a way to eliminate one hurdle: resistance to an all or nothing choice (i.e., subscribe or you get nothing).</p>
<p>Micropayments enable paid trial: if marketed effectively is much more effective than trying to convince people attracted to a free offer to upgrade because the people to whom free appeals are the least likely to be interested in paying anything at all.  </p>
<p>But micropayments should be part of a more comprehensive marketing strategy involving product, pricing, promotion, and placement.</p>
<p>Mainly inpsired by a back and forth with Paul Graham about his post &#8220;Post-Media Publishing&#8221;- <a href="http://bit.ly/MenLY" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/MenLY</a> &#8211; I just posted that a turning point may come when publishers recognize they are in the B2C (business to consumer) not the B2B (business to business, namely advertisers).  <a href="http://bit.ly/h7eEi" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/h7eEi</a></p>
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		<title>By: Strange Attractor &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Paid content: Real scarcity versus artificial scarcity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Strange Attractor &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Paid content: Real scarcity versus artificial scarcity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ingram at the Nieman Journalism Lab has an excellent post looking at the issues of paid content in general and mic.... It&#8217;s a really useful post because he rounds up quite a number of posts and points of view on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ingram at the Nieman Journalism Lab has an excellent post looking at the issues of paid content in general and mic&#8230;. It&#8217;s a really useful post because he rounds up quite a number of posts and points of view on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2009-09-22</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/micropayments-for-news-the-holy-grail-or-just-a-dangerous-delusion/comment-page-1/#comment-36708</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2009-09-22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Micropayments for news: The holy grail or just a dangerous delusion? » Nieman Journalism Lab Last paragraph is key. &quot;Does that mean newspapers can’t make any money? Not at all. I think Mike Masnick has done a great job of pointing out how a media business can make money even if it gives content away for free — his company Techdirt does it, plenty of musicians and artists do it. And they do it by using the free content to promote the aspects of their business that have *real* scarcity rather than artificial scarcity. For music, that includes things like personal access, convenience, higher quality and so on. What does it mean for journalism? It could mean charging for different platforms, for early alerts, for special “members-only” access to certain premium or value-added content. But I’m pretty sure of one thing: It doesn’t mean charging people fractions of a cent to read a news story, no matter how sophisticated the process.&quot; (tags: buildtheecho mediaconsortium business_models micropayments)     Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Micropayments for news: The holy grail or just a dangerous delusion? » Nieman Journalism Lab Last paragraph is key. &quot;Does that mean newspapers can’t make any money? Not at all. I think Mike Masnick has done a great job of pointing out how a media business can make money even if it gives content away for free — his company Techdirt does it, plenty of musicians and artists do it. And they do it by using the free content to promote the aspects of their business that have *real* scarcity rather than artificial scarcity. For music, that includes things like personal access, convenience, higher quality and so on. What does it mean for journalism? It could mean charging for different platforms, for early alerts, for special “members-only” access to certain premium or value-added content. But I’m pretty sure of one thing: It doesn’t mean charging people fractions of a cent to read a news story, no matter how sophisticated the process.&quot; (tags: buildtheecho mediaconsortium business_models micropayments)     Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Barnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I already have an ad-free reading experience thanks to Firefox and AdBlock Plus (with an extensive, hand-crafted list of filters).

I will pay micro-amounts (for example, 5 mils per article), but I won&#039;t pay stupid amounts such as 25 cents per article. I will go elsewhere.

If 100% of the content providers charge for access and the price is more than I &quot;want to pay&quot;, I will stop reading the news and will read other things on the web. I personally find it difficult to imagine that 100% of the providers will charge. The NY Times and the Times of London may charge, but I bet that http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ will not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I already have an ad-free reading experience thanks to Firefox and AdBlock Plus (with an extensive, hand-crafted list of filters).</p>
<p>I will pay micro-amounts (for example, 5 mils per article), but I won&#8217;t pay stupid amounts such as 25 cents per article. I will go elsewhere.</p>
<p>If 100% of the content providers charge for access and the price is more than I &#8220;want to pay&#8221;, I will stop reading the news and will read other things on the web. I personally find it difficult to imagine that 100% of the providers will charge. The NY Times and the Times of London may charge, but I bet that <a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/" rel="nofollow">http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/</a> will not.</p>
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		<title>By: ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator>ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is what is new. News doesn’t want to be free, it’s like a Virus. It spreads by any communication it can, and mutates on the way. Good luck to the old media and try to contain it.
And like a virus some people are immune to it, while other will carry it on.

The old way of:
Business Value = Subscribers * Demographics

Made us valuable to the publishers, little money from the subscribers, which were targeted with for example writing style and layout, to build Demographics which was sold to Advertisers.  
We got a little &quot;information&quot; and entertainment since we most likely belonged to targeted Demographics. We feel good since this enforced our believe system.  This model is still carried forward by the WSJ for example. 
It&#039;s basically a statistical model, no hard facts.

Then came:
Business Value = Eyeballs * intent

And intent was proof-able, aka Google click through.  But most people just looked at one part of the equation, eyeballs.  But 250M * 0 still equals 0.

As long as newspapers chase the eyeballs without understanding intent, they will loose. 
If one writes a program to value the news value, like.

Information = Data in context
News = new information in that context

Most so called articles provide very little news, spread that out over online distribution and the value goes to 0.  Means it would only make sense to pay a fraction of a cent to one article in that context, there go the eyeballs for the rest.
Since they still haven&#039;t figured out intent, they end up with 0 * 0. 

I think they haven&#039;t thought it through. Their delusion seems to be that they will be the first to brake any &quot;news&quot; therefor they will get the fraction of that cent.  But since they can&#039;t control the &quot;spreading&quot; any more. It&#039;s just that,
delusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is what is new. News doesn’t want to be free, it’s like a Virus. It spreads by any communication it can, and mutates on the way. Good luck to the old media and try to contain it.<br />
And like a virus some people are immune to it, while other will carry it on.</p>
<p>The old way of:<br />
Business Value = Subscribers * Demographics</p>
<p>Made us valuable to the publishers, little money from the subscribers, which were targeted with for example writing style and layout, to build Demographics which was sold to Advertisers.<br />
We got a little &#8220;information&#8221; and entertainment since we most likely belonged to targeted Demographics. We feel good since this enforced our believe system.  This model is still carried forward by the WSJ for example.<br />
It&#8217;s basically a statistical model, no hard facts.</p>
<p>Then came:<br />
Business Value = Eyeballs * intent</p>
<p>And intent was proof-able, aka Google click through.  But most people just looked at one part of the equation, eyeballs.  But 250M * 0 still equals 0.</p>
<p>As long as newspapers chase the eyeballs without understanding intent, they will loose.<br />
If one writes a program to value the news value, like.</p>
<p>Information = Data in context<br />
News = new information in that context</p>
<p>Most so called articles provide very little news, spread that out over online distribution and the value goes to 0.  Means it would only make sense to pay a fraction of a cent to one article in that context, there go the eyeballs for the rest.<br />
Since they still haven&#8217;t figured out intent, they end up with 0 * 0. </p>
<p>I think they haven&#8217;t thought it through. Their delusion seems to be that they will be the first to brake any &#8220;news&#8221; therefor they will get the fraction of that cent.  But since they can&#8217;t control the &#8220;spreading&#8221; any more. It&#8217;s just that,<br />
delusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, Phillip -- nice to hear from someone who actually has some real experience implementing micropayments.</description>
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		<title>By: Scott L. Burson</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/micropayments-for-news-the-holy-grail-or-just-a-dangerous-delusion/comment-page-1/#comment-36691</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott L. Burson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about other people, but I can tell you that as one consumer, I would be more than happy to use a well-designed micropayment system, at reasonable prices, to read my favorite news sites without ads.  An ad-free reading experience seems to be the one thing news sites have left to sell to me, and I wish they would do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about other people, but I can tell you that as one consumer, I would be more than happy to use a well-designed micropayment system, at reasonable prices, to read my favorite news sites without ads.  An ad-free reading experience seems to be the one thing news sites have left to sell to me, and I wish they would do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Is keeping big media alive good for the future of journalism? &#124; Software as Services &#124; ZDNet.com</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/micropayments-for-news-the-holy-grail-or-just-a-dangerous-delusion/comment-page-1/#comment-36688</link>
		<dc:creator>Is keeping big media alive good for the future of journalism? &#124; Software as Services &#124; ZDNet.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It turns out that GigaOm Pro runs its subscriptions on the Zuora service, which is why I said earlier that Zuora may well play a part in saving journalism (although it has a lot on its plate, with existing initiatives to underpin online business models for Web 2.0, cloud and SaaS). But I&#8217;m not holding my breath for an early end to the gnashing of teeth in big media, which is too hung up on rescuing a business model that&#8217;s no longer viable. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It turns out that GigaOm Pro runs its subscriptions on the Zuora service, which is why I said earlier that Zuora may well play a part in saving journalism (although it has a lot on its plate, with existing initiatives to underpin online business models for Web 2.0, cloud and SaaS). But I&#8217;m not holding my breath for an early end to the gnashing of teeth in big media, which is too hung up on rescuing a business model that&#8217;s no longer viable. [...]</p>
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