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		<title>By: The Next Newsroom Project &#124; Blog &#124; What we&#39;re reading</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-141231</link>
		<dc:creator>The Next Newsroom Project &#124; Blog &#124; What we&#39;re reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Newspapers get the kind of communities they deserve [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A case for better comments &#171;</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-115838</link>
		<dc:creator>A case for better comments &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 19:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Scott Rosenberg &#8211; Newspaper comments: Forget anonymity! The problem is management Mathew Ingram &#8211; Newspapers get the kind of communities they deserve [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wie der Schmutz ins Internet kommt &#124; Kontextschmiede</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-112563</link>
		<dc:creator>Wie der Schmutz ins Internet kommt &#124; Kontextschmiede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 23:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] des Guar­dian und Mathew Ingram vom kana­di­schen The Globe and Mail ins Feld füh­ren. Ingram sagt, dass die Qua­li­tät der Debat­ten deut­lich steigt, wenn sich die Auto­ren an den [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mine seneste bookmarks (19.09.09 &#8211; 27.10.09) - Morten Gade</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-46388</link>
		<dc:creator>Mine seneste bookmarks (19.09.09 &#8211; 27.10.09) - Morten Gade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Newspapers get the kind of communities they deserve &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab: (medier community avis2.0 ) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Los diarios tienen las comunidades que se merecen &#171; tejiendo redes</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-42245</link>
		<dc:creator>Los diarios tienen las comunidades que se merecen &#171; tejiendo redes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interesante post de Mathew Ingram en Nieman Journalism Lab que les da algunas pistas a los editores de sitios web de diarios y pone en su lugar a los bloggers [...]</description>
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		<title>By: To comment or not to comment&#8230;. &#171; Print Media Editing / Drake University</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-40592</link>
		<dc:creator>To comment or not to comment&#8230;. &#171; Print Media Editing / Drake University</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] month the Neiman Journalism Lab published an article talking about building &#8220;community&#8221; with online papers, mostly with readers comments. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Morten Gade &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hvad kan en journalist, som en 13-årig dreng ikke kan?</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-39565</link>
		<dc:creator>Morten Gade &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hvad kan en journalist, som en 13-årig dreng ikke kan?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Men det kan et par 13-årige drenge jo også gøre, som Mathew Ingram fortæller i artiklen Newspapers get the kind of communities they deserve:&#8220;Take a look at Net News Daily sometime. Looks nice, doesn’t it? That site was founded by [...]</description>
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		<title>By: What about the community? &#171; Journalism Technology</title>
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		<dc:creator>What about the community? &#171; Journalism Technology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recently read an interesting piece on the Nieman Lab called Newspapers get the kind of communities they deserve All we have left is the trust that our readers — that our community — have in us. And how do we [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stuff I&#8217;ve been reading &#171; ASH-10</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-37540</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuff I&#8217;ve been reading &#171; ASH-10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Newspapers get the kind of communities they deserve &#187; Nieman Journalism LabThe money quote here is &quot;many newspapers still see comments as some kind of necessary evil: a bone tossed to readers to help drive traffic, but something that produces little else of value.&quot; And they wonder why their comments are a cess-pool? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Vorwärts?! &#8211; Sudelbuch</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-37212</link>
		<dc:creator>Vorwärts?! &#8211; Sudelbuch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] der kanadischen The Globe and Mail, schrieb in seinem kürzlich erschienen Text &#8220;Newspapers get the Communities they deserve&#8220;: &#8220;Alles, was uns übrig geblieben ist, ist das Vertrauen unserer Leser. Und wie [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Karen McAllister</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-36687</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen McAllister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece, Matthew. I&#039;m the audience editor @TampaBay.com and also have recently looked at how a number of other sites handle comments. 
I find here and elsewhere that the quality of comments rises to a higher level when writers/bloggers are involved in the conversation. I think readers would be less inclined to post petty/obnoxious comments if they knew the writer was part of the conversation and offering feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece, Matthew. I&#8217;m the audience editor @TampaBay.com and also have recently looked at how a number of other sites handle comments.<br />
I find here and elsewhere that the quality of comments rises to a higher level when writers/bloggers are involved in the conversation. I think readers would be less inclined to post petty/obnoxious comments if they knew the writer was part of the conversation and offering feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-36660</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That isn’t what you wrote, Matt: “They do fact-checking for us, which we should be grateful for.” You didn’t say anonymous cowards fill in that tiny 1% of errors your august publication could not possibly be expected to catch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That isn’t what you wrote, Matt: “They do fact-checking for us, which we should be grateful for.” You didn’t say anonymous cowards fill in that tiny 1% of errors your august publication could not possibly be expected to catch.</p>
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		<title>By: Footprints (21.09.09) &#124; Chris Deary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Footprints (21.09.09) &#124; Chris Deary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-09-21 &#124; Joanna Geary</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-36535</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-09-21 &#124; Joanna Geary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Newspapers get the kind of communities they deserve &quot;Another thing that seems to escape many journalists is the direct connection between their own indifference to interacting with readers and the parlous state of their comments. If my research has taught me anything — not to mention writing columns and a blog for 15 years — it is that the surest way to improve the tone of the debate in forums or comments is to get involved in them.&quot; (tags: community journalism comments newspapers socialmedia)     Share this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Newspapers get the kind of communities they deserve &quot;Another thing that seems to escape many journalists is the direct connection between their own indifference to interacting with readers and the parlous state of their comments. If my research has taught me anything — not to mention writing columns and a blog for 15 years — it is that the surest way to improve the tone of the debate in forums or comments is to get involved in them.&quot; (tags: community journalism comments newspapers socialmedia)     Share this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Borwick</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-36533</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Borwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve spent a lot of time on this subject myself and agree totally. When the editorial staff get involved they are endorsing the value of discussion and instead of being a footnote to their soapbox, the comments become part of the piece itself.

They also create a model for the proper behavior by being adopting a civil tone and by responding to the people who have made valid contributions. If you think that a good comment will get noticed you are encourage to be good.

Personally I think comments are of great value but I have spent the last couple of years focusing on Social Q&amp;A where the community can ask the questions that matter to them and the community can provide their opinions. This moves them out of the ranks of the footnote altogether and creates a community where people can get a reputation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve spent a lot of time on this subject myself and agree totally. When the editorial staff get involved they are endorsing the value of discussion and instead of being a footnote to their soapbox, the comments become part of the piece itself.</p>
<p>They also create a model for the proper behavior by being adopting a civil tone and by responding to the people who have made valid contributions. If you think that a good comment will get noticed you are encourage to be good.</p>
<p>Personally I think comments are of great value but I have spent the last couple of years focusing on Social Q&amp;A where the community can ask the questions that matter to them and the community can provide their opinions. This moves them out of the ranks of the footnote altogether and creates a community where people can get a reputation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-36506</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Always a pleasure to hear from you, Joe :-)  As far as &quot;outsourcing fact-checking,&quot; that&#039;s not what we&#039;re doing at all - we&#039;re just recognizing that we can&#039;t possibly catch everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always a pleasure to hear from you, Joe :-)  As far as &#8220;outsourcing fact-checking,&#8221; that&#8217;s not what we&#8217;re doing at all &#8211; we&#8217;re just recognizing that we can&#8217;t possibly catch everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Notes from a Teacher - Monday squibs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notes from a Teacher - Monday squibs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Newspapers get the kind of communities they deserve. Mathew Ingram, who herds the cats for the Globe &amp; Mail, has some wise words on what it takes to build and maintain online community. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joe Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-36465</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When a large newspaper outsources its “fact-checking” to anonymous cowards in comment fields, maybe it’s time to pack it in and take up a job, say, co-owning a for-profit conference on the same topics you cover for that newspaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a large newspaper outsources its “fact-checking” to anonymous cowards in comment fields, maybe it’s time to pack it in and take up a job, say, co-owning a for-profit conference on the same topics you cover for that newspaper.</p>
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		<title>By: LynJ</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-36341</link>
		<dc:creator>LynJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting piece.  I&#039;ve always been struck at how comment and discussion forums play a much larger role in online Chinese media than they do in the U.S.  Not that Chinese journalists pay more attention to the comments than their American counterparts (though the government certainly does).  But for savvy Chinese readers, the comments are as or even more important than the media piece itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting piece.  I&#8217;ve always been struck at how comment and discussion forums play a much larger role in online Chinese media than they do in the U.S.  Not that Chinese journalists pay more attention to the comments than their American counterparts (though the government certainly does).  But for savvy Chinese readers, the comments are as or even more important than the media piece itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Medial Digital &#8211; Medien, digitale Medien, Medienwandel, Journalismus, Internet, soziales Internet, Social Web, Web 2.0&#187; Linktipps Neu &#187; Linktipps zum Wochenstart (26)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Medial Digital &#8211; Medien, digitale Medien, Medienwandel, Journalismus, Internet, soziales Internet, Social Web, Web 2.0&#187; Linktipps Neu &#187; Linktipps zum Wochenstart (26)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: &#160; Bookmarks for August 25th through September 20th&#160;by&#160;andydickinson.net</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-36333</link>
		<dc:creator>&#160; Bookmarks for August 25th through September 20th&#160;by&#160;andydickinson.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Newspapers get the kind of communities they deserve &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab &#8211; quot;The reality is that many newspapers still see comments as some kind of necessary evil: a bone tossed to readers to help drive traffic, but something that produces little else of value.quot; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: More ideas for the fall from CM Life and mndaily.com, and WordCamp Portland &#124; CoPress</title>
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		<dc:creator>More ideas for the fall from CM Life and mndaily.com, and WordCamp Portland &#124; CoPress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] WordPressMU and WordPress merger will be in version 3.0, says @photomattTwitter &#124; September 19, 2009Newspapers get the kind of communities they deserveNieman Journalism LabDaniel Bachhuber says: Things commenters can actually be useful for: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-09-19 &#171; Sarah Hartley</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-36183</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-09-19 &#171; Sarah Hartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Newspapers get the kind of communities they deserve » Nieman Journalism Lab Another thing that seems to escape many journalists is the direct connection between their own indifference to interacting with readers and the parlous state of their comments. If my research has taught me anything — not to mention writing columns and a blog for 15 years — it is that the surest way to improve the tone of the debate in forums or comments is to get involved in them. (tags: community journalism comments newspaper news communities) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Newspapers get the kind of communities they deserve » Nieman Journalism Lab Another thing that seems to escape many journalists is the direct connection between their own indifference to interacting with readers and the parlous state of their comments. If my research has taught me anything — not to mention writing columns and a blog for 15 years — it is that the surest way to improve the tone of the debate in forums or comments is to get involved in them. (tags: community journalism comments newspaper news communities) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely share your concerns, Jill. There&#039;s no question in my mind that comments involving personal attacks should be removed -- and we make a point of doing that at the Globe (or trying hard to do so). Unfortunately, the term &quot;personal attack&quot; covers a wide range of behaviour and is difficult to define.

To answer the first question, I think reasonable and thoughtful readers definitely stay away from the comments because they too often descend into mud-wrestling with idiots. The only way to make comments more appealing, I think, is to be diligent in removing outright offensive comments, and to actively respond to those intelligent comments that do get posted -- which creates an incentive for others.

I agree that there are legal and ethical issues involved -- in fact, the first of these is the main reason why we close comments on stories that involve legal cases, crimes and stories that might lead to slanderous or libelous comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely share your concerns, Jill. There&#8217;s no question in my mind that comments involving personal attacks should be removed &#8212; and we make a point of doing that at the Globe (or trying hard to do so). Unfortunately, the term &#8220;personal attack&#8221; covers a wide range of behaviour and is difficult to define.</p>
<p>To answer the first question, I think reasonable and thoughtful readers definitely stay away from the comments because they too often descend into mud-wrestling with idiots. The only way to make comments more appealing, I think, is to be diligent in removing outright offensive comments, and to actively respond to those intelligent comments that do get posted &#8212; which creates an incentive for others.</p>
<p>I agree that there are legal and ethical issues involved &#8212; in fact, the first of these is the main reason why we close comments on stories that involve legal cases, crimes and stories that might lead to slanderous or libelous comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Van Wyke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Van Wyke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point well-taken, Matt, on how shutting down comments squelches the conversation. You&#039;ve convinced me.

Do you think, though, that reasonable, insightful readers stay away from the comment forums when the conversation sinks into abuse and offense? I want those readers in the conversation; we need them. They could steer the conversation back to civility and confront intolerance. But I sense they want no part of something they deem unseemly and unruly.

And how should we handle personal attacks? I&#039;m thinking of a sad case here in Iowa when a middle-schooler died of a prescription drug overdose at a &quot;pharm&quot; party. Some Des Moines Register readers posted vitriolic comments disparaging the boy&#039;s mother, by name, accusing her of awful things and blaming her for her son&#039;s death. The comments were later removed, but were up for several hours.

Generally, I&#039;m in favor of the free-for-all, but cases like that one give me pause. I think we&#039;re on shaky ground legally and ethically in such a situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point well-taken, Matt, on how shutting down comments squelches the conversation. You&#8217;ve convinced me.</p>
<p>Do you think, though, that reasonable, insightful readers stay away from the comment forums when the conversation sinks into abuse and offense? I want those readers in the conversation; we need them. They could steer the conversation back to civility and confront intolerance. But I sense they want no part of something they deem unseemly and unruly.</p>
<p>And how should we handle personal attacks? I&#8217;m thinking of a sad case here in Iowa when a middle-schooler died of a prescription drug overdose at a &#8220;pharm&#8221; party. Some Des Moines Register readers posted vitriolic comments disparaging the boy&#8217;s mother, by name, accusing her of awful things and blaming her for her son&#8217;s death. The comments were later removed, but were up for several hours.</p>
<p>Generally, I&#8217;m in favor of the free-for-all, but cases like that one give me pause. I think we&#8217;re on shaky ground legally and ethically in such a situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine Warman Kern</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-36114</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine Warman Kern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. But I think expecting Journalists, among other media &amp; advertising professionials, to be comfortable, let alone enthusiastic, interacting with their audience, without changing the game is unrealistic.  

Journalism, music, film, advertising, television have reached a very high level of professionalism through obsessive control, scrubbing out every flaw for perfection.  An image of an operating room comes to mind, right down to the anesthetized patient.

However, as we all know this &quot;clinical&quot; style does not fit with today&#039;s market.  Mark Thompson, director general of the BBC says, “who doesn’t want to just sit there but to take part, debate, create, communicate, share.”

Media professionals must feel like a surgeon being asked to operate with the patient awake, complete with responding to the patient&#039;s questions and input during the surgical procedure.

To change the game, think about how the internet&#039;s advantages of real time interactivity may add value to both the journalist and audience.  Here&#039;s an example.  A news story breaks on the radio, cable tv and on search engines.  Most of these stories aren&#039;t black and white.  They are complicated.  The audience has a wide variation of pre-existing knowledge.   

But the journalist has a core audience, inherently representative of a significant percentage of the journalist’s audience, who want camaraderie with the journalist.  They have the potential to help a journalist develop a community.

Currently when news breaks, a journalist researches and writes in a vacuum and hopes their readers will “get it” and pass it on.  By tapping core readers&#039; understanding and questions, a journalist can start to the build the story from the perspective of what the audience is most curious about. And instead of writing one comprehensive story.  The story may unfold in segments, with core audience responses helping the journalist guide the way the story builds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. But I think expecting Journalists, among other media &amp; advertising professionials, to be comfortable, let alone enthusiastic, interacting with their audience, without changing the game is unrealistic.  </p>
<p>Journalism, music, film, advertising, television have reached a very high level of professionalism through obsessive control, scrubbing out every flaw for perfection.  An image of an operating room comes to mind, right down to the anesthetized patient.</p>
<p>However, as we all know this &#8220;clinical&#8221; style does not fit with today&#8217;s market.  Mark Thompson, director general of the BBC says, “who doesn’t want to just sit there but to take part, debate, create, communicate, share.”</p>
<p>Media professionals must feel like a surgeon being asked to operate with the patient awake, complete with responding to the patient&#8217;s questions and input during the surgical procedure.</p>
<p>To change the game, think about how the internet&#8217;s advantages of real time interactivity may add value to both the journalist and audience.  Here&#8217;s an example.  A news story breaks on the radio, cable tv and on search engines.  Most of these stories aren&#8217;t black and white.  They are complicated.  The audience has a wide variation of pre-existing knowledge.   </p>
<p>But the journalist has a core audience, inherently representative of a significant percentage of the journalist’s audience, who want camaraderie with the journalist.  They have the potential to help a journalist develop a community.</p>
<p>Currently when news breaks, a journalist researches and writes in a vacuum and hopes their readers will “get it” and pass it on.  By tapping core readers&#8217; understanding and questions, a journalist can start to the build the story from the perspective of what the audience is most curious about. And instead of writing one comprehensive story.  The story may unfold in segments, with core audience responses helping the journalist guide the way the story builds.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Powazek - links for 2009-09-19</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Powazek - links for 2009-09-19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 10:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Newspapers get the kind of communities they deserve Exactly. (tags: community publishing) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lynchjustiz umarmen? &#8211; synapsenschnappsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynchjustiz umarmen? &#8211; synapsenschnappsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 08:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] von Gehlen, dem auch das [via] zu obigem Artikel geh&#246;rt, verweist auf einen Erkl&#228;rungsversuch von Mathew Ingram, dem Community-Leiter der kanadischen &#8220;The Globe and Mail&#8221;: If my research has taught [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] von Gehlen, dem auch das [via] zu obigem Artikel geh&#246;rt, verweist auf einen Erkl&#228;rungsversuch von Mathew Ingram, dem Community-Leiter der kanadischen &#8220;The Globe and Mail&#8221;: If my research has taught [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/newspapers-get-the-kind-of-communities-they-deserve/comment-page-1/#comment-35930</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that link, Darren -- I agree with your defence of anonymity.  That&#039;s another battle that I fight almost daily  :-)  I think the anonymity issue is a red herring, frankly.  Not to mention that there is a long tradition of anonymous political speech in North America, and I think we shouldn&#039;t toss away that kind of protection lightly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that link, Darren &#8212; I agree with your defence of anonymity.  That&#8217;s another battle that I fight almost daily  :-)  I think the anonymity issue is a red herring, frankly.  Not to mention that there is a long tradition of anonymous political speech in North America, and I think we shouldn&#8217;t toss away that kind of protection lightly.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, Jill. I don&#039;t like closing comments on any story -- although the Globe does so on stories involving legal cases and criminal trials because our legal counsel is concerned about contempt of court.

We know that certain stories will draw offensive or abusive comments -- the Middle East, abortion, etc. -- but at the same time those are some of the issues that people feel strongly about, and deserve to be allowed to discuss.

But (and I have this argument at work all the time) if we close comments on contentious stories because we&#039;re afraid of offensive speech, then we will only have comments on innocuous stories -- which then raises the question of why we are bothering in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Jill. I don&#8217;t like closing comments on any story &#8212; although the Globe does so on stories involving legal cases and criminal trials because our legal counsel is concerned about contempt of court.</p>
<p>We know that certain stories will draw offensive or abusive comments &#8212; the Middle East, abortion, etc. &#8212; but at the same time those are some of the issues that people feel strongly about, and deserve to be allowed to discuss.</p>
<p>But (and I have this argument at work all the time) if we close comments on contentious stories because we&#8217;re afraid of offensive speech, then we will only have comments on innocuous stories &#8212; which then raises the question of why we are bothering in the first place.</p>
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