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	<title>Comments on: The future of news in 4 dimensions: Charting new kinds of news orgs</title>
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		<title>By: Authorties and Their Censorship &#171; Jgualotuna&#39;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Authorties and Their Censorship &#171; Jgualotuna&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 03:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] technology advancing companies and advertisers are filtering our news. They are following us around like stalkers on all of our visited sites on the internet. This makes [...]</description>
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		<title>By: News Organizations: How Transparent Can We Be? &#171; DigiDave &#8211; Journalism is a Process, Not a Product</title>
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		<dc:creator>News Organizations: How Transparent Can We Be? &#171; DigiDave &#8211; Journalism is a Process, Not a Product</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] They are ill-equipped to be transparent in their editorial processes. Distributed reporting is an emerging art and large news organizations  have yet to master it. (For some good examples of distributed reporting, see NewAssignment.Net, OffTheBus.Net, ProPublica&#8217;s efforts and this Nieman Journalism article.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] They are ill-equipped to be transparent in their editorial processes. Distributed reporting is an emerging art and large news organizations  have yet to master it. (For some good examples of distributed reporting, see NewAssignment.Net, OffTheBus.Net, ProPublica&#8217;s efforts and this Nieman Journalism article.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: For News Organizations, Transparency is the New Objectivity &#171; The Levisa Lazer</title>
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		<dc:creator>For News Organizations, Transparency is the New Objectivity &#171; The Levisa Lazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] They are ill-equipped to be transparent in their editorial processes. Distributed reporting is an emerging art and large news organizations  have yet to master it. (For some good examples of distributed reporting, seeNewAssignment.Net, OffTheBus.Net, ProPublica&#8217;s efforts and this Nieman Journalism article.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] They are ill-equipped to be transparent in their editorial processes. Distributed reporting is an emerging art and large news organizations  have yet to master it. (For some good examples of distributed reporting, seeNewAssignment.Net, OffTheBus.Net, ProPublica&#8217;s efforts and this Nieman Journalism article.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: This week in media musings: Dividing and conquering, and two news models &#124; Mark Coddington</title>
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		<dc:creator>This week in media musings: Dividing and conquering, and two news models &#124; Mark Coddington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] aspects of information online. In his first post at the Nieman Journalism Lab, C.W. Anderson proposed a chart for news organizations examining their institutionalization, level of fact-finding vs. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The future of news in 4 dimensions: How real news orgs fit in the model &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>The future of news in 4 dimensions: How real news orgs fit in the model &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my last post, I spent a lot of time laying out a fairly abstract framework for how we can think intelligently [...]</description>
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		<title>By: antes do 7 de setembro, 7 links &#171; monitorando</title>
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		<dc:creator>antes do 7 de setembro, 7 links &#171; monitorando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] C.W. Anderson trata do futuro das notícias em quatro dimensões. Leia aqui. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Shared Items: 4 September 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shared Items: 4 September 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The future of news in 4 dimensions: Charting new kinds of news orgs. [Nieman Journalism Lab] The economic crisis in the news reporting industry is well documented. In this post C.W. Anderson discusses new kinds of news organizations. As an aside, look at Yahoo and the number of journalists they&#8217;re hiring. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The future of news in 4 dimensions: Charting new kinds of news orgs. [Nieman Journalism Lab] The economic crisis in the news reporting industry is well documented. In this post C.W. Anderson discusses new kinds of news organizations. As an aside, look at Yahoo and the number of journalists they&#8217;re hiring. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Hertz</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hertz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I like the thinking here. As newspapers evaluate what they are and what they aspire to be, the schema is helpful.

Of course, media will go through the debate of how to maintain standards under attack by shoddy reporting, but that has always been the case. It&#039;s just that we monitored ourselves, with mixed success. (Jayson Blair?)Citizen journalism is not going away, so newspapers need to embrace it, as you suggest they have. 

As to your question of the history of the last three years of journalism, I&#039;d add the rise of public dialogue. Sure, newspapers used to employ letters to the editor. Then they added comment spaces at the end of articles placed online. Now, smart media are becoming centers of information AND dialogue. They integrate community discourse. Of course, they have to figure out how to make a profit at it as well. Which brings us back to community journalists.....

David Hertz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I like the thinking here. As newspapers evaluate what they are and what they aspire to be, the schema is helpful.</p>
<p>Of course, media will go through the debate of how to maintain standards under attack by shoddy reporting, but that has always been the case. It&#8217;s just that we monitored ourselves, with mixed success. (Jayson Blair?)Citizen journalism is not going away, so newspapers need to embrace it, as you suggest they have. </p>
<p>As to your question of the history of the last three years of journalism, I&#8217;d add the rise of public dialogue. Sure, newspapers used to employ letters to the editor. Then they added comment spaces at the end of articles placed online. Now, smart media are becoming centers of information AND dialogue. They integrate community discourse. Of course, they have to figure out how to make a profit at it as well. Which brings us back to community journalists&#8230;..</p>
<p>David Hertz</p>
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		<title>By: Catch up or get left behind &#8211; Invisible Inkling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catch up or get left behind &#8211; Invisible Inkling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The future of news in 4 dimensions: Charting new kinds of news orgs Nieman Journalism Lab &#124; September 1, 2009 C.W. Anderson builds the sort of continuum/quadrant chart that makes the mass communications scholar in me go all smiley. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matthew Powers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Powers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris -- I like the schema you offer, as it provides a way of thinking through the different activities and resources founds in news orgs (as opposed to recreating a series of &#039;ideal types,&#039; e.g. mainstream newspapers, alternative blogs, etc.).

That said, I do have a question about how this schema might be used to help us think through the ways in which news organization are themselves internally divided. I get that you are talking about &quot;predominant&quot; trends, but what are we to make, say, of the increased importance within &#039;traditional&#039; news orgs of programmers (or programmer-journalists, or whatever one might call them)? One relevant part of the recent history, it seems to me, is that many &#039;traditional&#039; orgs have reintegrated online and print staffs and some individuals within the organization retain a higher standing in this process. And this higher standing translates, presumably, into a different vision of what constitutes &#039;fact-gathering&#039; itself (I am thinking of Adrian Holovaty&#039;s Everyblock, for instance; or Matt Waite&#039;s Politifact, etc.).

My question for you, then, is this: is there a way you can envision your schema as incorporating the ways in which news orgs are internally divided? Or is this question orthogonal to your present concern? 

Thanks for the thoughtful post. 

-Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8212; I like the schema you offer, as it provides a way of thinking through the different activities and resources founds in news orgs (as opposed to recreating a series of &#8216;ideal types,&#8217; e.g. mainstream newspapers, alternative blogs, etc.).</p>
<p>That said, I do have a question about how this schema might be used to help us think through the ways in which news organization are themselves internally divided. I get that you are talking about &#8220;predominant&#8221; trends, but what are we to make, say, of the increased importance within &#8216;traditional&#8217; news orgs of programmers (or programmer-journalists, or whatever one might call them)? One relevant part of the recent history, it seems to me, is that many &#8216;traditional&#8217; orgs have reintegrated online and print staffs and some individuals within the organization retain a higher standing in this process. And this higher standing translates, presumably, into a different vision of what constitutes &#8216;fact-gathering&#8217; itself (I am thinking of Adrian Holovaty&#8217;s Everyblock, for instance; or Matt Waite&#8217;s Politifact, etc.).</p>
<p>My question for you, then, is this: is there a way you can envision your schema as incorporating the ways in which news orgs are internally divided? Or is this question orthogonal to your present concern? </p>
<p>Thanks for the thoughtful post. </p>
<p>-Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Mireles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Mireles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi CW,

I guess that&#039;s my issue––is that I don&#039;t see the schema as having a whole lot of value outside of a strictly academic setting. How does the schema change how I operate or think about the world? By itself, It doesn&#039;t.

That said, if you were to take it and tweak it so that you used it to numerically score news orgs on some Anderson scale of dinosaur/mammalness  and then charted out those scores with regards to profitability, growth, revenues vs costs and other metrics of survivability in the digital age, then you&#039;d have something interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi CW,</p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;s my issue––is that I don&#8217;t see the schema as having a whole lot of value outside of a strictly academic setting. How does the schema change how I operate or think about the world? By itself, It doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>That said, if you were to take it and tweak it so that you used it to numerically score news orgs on some Anderson scale of dinosaur/mammalness  and then charted out those scores with regards to profitability, growth, revenues vs costs and other metrics of survivability in the digital age, then you&#8217;d have something interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: The future of news in 4 dimensions: Charting new kinds of news orgs » Nieman Journalism Lab &#8211; The 5th Estate: Citizen News</title>
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		<dc:creator>The future of news in 4 dimensions: Charting new kinds of news orgs » Nieman Journalism Lab &#8211; The 5th Estate: Citizen News</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] The future of news in 4 dimensions: Charting new kinds of news orgs » Nieman Journalism Lab. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Future of News in Four Dimensions &#171; J-School: Educating Independent Journalists</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/the-future-of-news-in-4-dimensions-charting-new-kinds-of-news-orgs/comment-page-1/#comment-30769</link>
		<dc:creator>The Future of News in Four Dimensions &#171; J-School: Educating Independent Journalists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Posted by chanders on September 1, 2009  [...] This new journalism timeline would emphasize dynamic organizational movement along four axes: (a) the type of work predominant in your organization, (b) how traditionally “institutionalized” your organization is, (c) your institutional resources, and (d) how open or closed your organization is to non-affiliated members (volunteers, etc). And when we talk about the history of online journalism, we can trace the movements of different people, or organizations, or wide-scale “centers of gravity,” across all four of these axes. [...] [Read Full Post at Nieman Lab] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Posted by chanders on September 1, 2009  [...] This new journalism timeline would emphasize dynamic organizational movement along four axes: (a) the type of work predominant in your organization, (b) how traditionally “institutionalized” your organization is, (c) your institutional resources, and (d) how open or closed your organization is to non-affiliated members (volunteers, etc). And when we talk about the history of online journalism, we can trace the movements of different people, or organizations, or wide-scale “centers of gravity,” across all four of these axes. [...] [Read Full Post at Nieman Lab] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: C.W. Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.W. Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Matt,

Play along for a minute. What do *you* think the value of the schema is? And how do you think it could be applied, if at all ... or do you think that in practical terms it is fairly useless?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matt,</p>
<p>Play along for a minute. What do *you* think the value of the schema is? And how do you think it could be applied, if at all &#8230; or do you think that in practical terms it is fairly useless?</p>
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		<title>By: Download Rock Band for Nintendo Wii &#124; Download Rock Band &#8211; Nintendo Wii &#124; Rock Music 4 ALL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Download Rock Band for Nintendo Wii &#124; Download Rock Band &#8211; Nintendo Wii &#124; Rock Music 4 ALL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matt Mireles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Mireles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Style comment: I&#039;ll try to be kind here...This piece is very, umm, academic. And by that I mean not just boring but that it offers a theoretical framework without applying it or explaining why i as a reader should care or making an argument why the theory itself is important. That&#039;s OK in strictly academic circles, but I expect more from the nieman jlab.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Style comment: I&#8217;ll try to be kind here&#8230;This piece is very, umm, academic. And by that I mean not just boring but that it offers a theoretical framework without applying it or explaining why i as a reader should care or making an argument why the theory itself is important. That&#8217;s OK in strictly academic circles, but I expect more from the nieman jlab.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Mireles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Mireles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@sharon Trustworthiness is a relative thing that depends on the individual. This is the beauty of Facebook. You may think all the people in my network are loons, but I actually know them and therefore implicitly trust them (or some of them) more and value what they have to say. Similarly, depending on your politics, the New York Times may be a very trustworthy information source, or it may be part of the evil MSM that spits out lies. Ditto with Fox News. Trustworthiness is not an absolute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sharon Trustworthiness is a relative thing that depends on the individual. This is the beauty of Facebook. You may think all the people in my network are loons, but I actually know them and therefore implicitly trust them (or some of them) more and value what they have to say. Similarly, depending on your politics, the New York Times may be a very trustworthy information source, or it may be part of the evil MSM that spits out lies. Ditto with Fox News. Trustworthiness is not an absolute.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon Stevenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon Stevenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps you do not consider it within the scope of this article, but where does the element of trustworthiness enter? In fact I would say it is a major element in the concept of professionalism. 
   And how then is trustworthiness created. In large part it is a perception on the part of the reader, but anyone thinking a bit farther could assume that it depends on the sources of information of the write (as well as their judgment and transmission arts of that information. 
   So does the normal blogger with a day job have the time and resources to build up a coterie of sources easily tapable and expandable beyond one topic? Does the blogger have the time to assiduously cultivate sources beyond normal work, friends and family relations? When getting to the bottom of issues requires travel, does the normal blogger have access to those funds to allow them to travel and stay the time required to dig, cultivate, plumb the resources in that location?
   Of course I expect a realist could say simply the great majority of eyeballs doesn&#039;t give a damn, unless their own pecuniary or familial interests are touched and therefore normally are not served by the likes of investigative journalism or even balanced journalism. When those interests ARE touched, of course, then you can bet trustworthiness does count. 
    I would suggest you try to incorporate trustworthiness as a quality in a consideration of new news organizations, as well as the old, of course!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you do not consider it within the scope of this article, but where does the element of trustworthiness enter? In fact I would say it is a major element in the concept of professionalism.<br />
   And how then is trustworthiness created. In large part it is a perception on the part of the reader, but anyone thinking a bit farther could assume that it depends on the sources of information of the write (as well as their judgment and transmission arts of that information.<br />
   So does the normal blogger with a day job have the time and resources to build up a coterie of sources easily tapable and expandable beyond one topic? Does the blogger have the time to assiduously cultivate sources beyond normal work, friends and family relations? When getting to the bottom of issues requires travel, does the normal blogger have access to those funds to allow them to travel and stay the time required to dig, cultivate, plumb the resources in that location?<br />
   Of course I expect a realist could say simply the great majority of eyeballs doesn&#8217;t give a damn, unless their own pecuniary or familial interests are touched and therefore normally are not served by the likes of investigative journalism or even balanced journalism. When those interests ARE touched, of course, then you can bet trustworthiness does count.<br />
    I would suggest you try to incorporate trustworthiness as a quality in a consideration of new news organizations, as well as the old, of course!</p>
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