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		<title>By: Bloggende wetenschapper &#8800; journalist &#171; De nieuwe reporter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bloggende wetenschapper &#8800; journalist &#171; De nieuwe reporter</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] gelezen. Zou de wetenschapsjournalistiek geen toenadering moeten zoeken tot deze bloggers? Een hybride model, waarbij een kernredactie van professionele journalisten samenwerkt met een groot netwerk van [...]</description>
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		<title>By: As quatro dimensões do futuro das notícias : Ponto Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>As quatro dimensões do futuro das notícias : Ponto Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Flow &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily Digest for September 10th - The zeitgeist daily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flow &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily Digest for September 10th - The zeitgeist daily</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Rachel Van Dongen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel Van Dongen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We launched WhoRunsGov.com, from the Washington Post Company, on Sept. 9 (check it out here: http://www.whorunsgov.com).

It&#039;s a hybrid wiki with content from an in-house editorial team, official partners (including journalism schools, media orgs and political stakeholders), and the wisdom of the crowds.

We have two real, live collaborative reporting projects we just debuted. All seem relevant to the very interesting debate here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We launched WhoRunsGov.com, from the Washington Post Company, on Sept. 9 (check it out here: <a href="http://www.whorunsgov.com)" rel="nofollow">http://www.whorunsgov.com)</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a hybrid wiki with content from an in-house editorial team, official partners (including journalism schools, media orgs and political stakeholders), and the wisdom of the crowds.</p>
<p>We have two real, live collaborative reporting projects we just debuted. All seem relevant to the very interesting debate here.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Mireles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Mireles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the more I think of it, the more I think you need to tweak the model. 

1) &lt;b&gt;Fact-finding and opinion are NOT mutually exclusive. &lt;/b&gt;They need not have an inverse relationship, although in the traditional newspaper world, they have. Again see, TechCrunch as an example of where they merge both.

2) As I previously mentioned, hyperlinking and aggregation need not vary with the amount of commentary vs fact-finding in a news org.

3) Unless you can quantify and define it, &quot;size of organizational resources&quot; is way too vague. Instead, I think we should &lt;b&gt;refer discretely to &quot;number of reporters employed&quot; or &quot;size of newsroom budget,&quot; in actual dollar amounts&lt;/b&gt;.

Institutionalization vs de-institutionalization is the only relationship that really seems to fit the axis metaphor. It might not be as pretty, but perhaps you could score individual orgs on a scale of 1 to 100 for each of these values and then compare them? Once you have them scored, you could then analyze and generalize about their relative cost structures, revenues (CPM, CPE, etc), and web traffic. In this form, you could really start to quantify and really answer these deeper questions that are the point of the lab: What is the Future of News? and What kind of news orgs actually create enough value to be profitable in the internet age?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the more I think of it, the more I think you need to tweak the model. </p>
<p>1) <b>Fact-finding and opinion are NOT mutually exclusive. </b>They need not have an inverse relationship, although in the traditional newspaper world, they have. Again see, TechCrunch as an example of where they merge both.</p>
<p>2) As I previously mentioned, hyperlinking and aggregation need not vary with the amount of commentary vs fact-finding in a news org.</p>
<p>3) Unless you can quantify and define it, &#8220;size of organizational resources&#8221; is way too vague. Instead, I think we should <b>refer discretely to &#8220;number of reporters employed&#8221; or &#8220;size of newsroom budget,&#8221; in actual dollar amounts</b>.</p>
<p>Institutionalization vs de-institutionalization is the only relationship that really seems to fit the axis metaphor. It might not be as pretty, but perhaps you could score individual orgs on a scale of 1 to 100 for each of these values and then compare them? Once you have them scored, you could then analyze and generalize about their relative cost structures, revenues (CPM, CPE, etc), and web traffic. In this form, you could really start to quantify and really answer these deeper questions that are the point of the lab: What is the Future of News? and What kind of news orgs actually create enough value to be profitable in the internet age?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Mireles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Mireles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey CW, 

Great post! Much more useful and thought provoking than your last one. It&#039;s cool to see that you take comments seriously....

Anywho, I think you need to &lt;b&gt;explode linking into its own axis&lt;/b&gt;. The degree to which a news org links to other content has no neccesary relationship to how much original reporting it does. Look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techcrunch.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TechCrunch&lt;/a&gt; (my vote for the future of news). They includes tons of links to other content AND they do buttloads of original reporting. Equally, you can have an entirely commentary-driven writer like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/23/opinion/23rich.html?_r=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Frank Rich&lt;/a&gt; of NYT who includes lots of links in his work. I think it&#039;s a mistake to treat link-gathering as a variable that dependent upon the relative level of commentary vs fact-finding.

Now I hate to be the only capitalist in the room, but I do think that you could use this chart to plot out profitability and forecast it going forward. My sense is that &lt;b&gt;very few publications based solely on commentary (left side of spectrum) will be profitable in the future. &lt;/b&gt;From a strategy perspective, the barriers to entry are just too low.  However, I think we are seeing that original reporting does in fact have value and that organizations who do it are growing in size and revenue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey CW, </p>
<p>Great post! Much more useful and thought provoking than your last one. It&#8217;s cool to see that you take comments seriously&#8230;.</p>
<p>Anywho, I think you need to <b>explode linking into its own axis</b>. The degree to which a news org links to other content has no neccesary relationship to how much original reporting it does. Look at <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com" rel="nofollow">TechCrunch</a> (my vote for the future of news). They includes tons of links to other content AND they do buttloads of original reporting. Equally, you can have an entirely commentary-driven writer like <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/23/opinion/23rich.html?_r=1" rel="nofollow">Frank Rich</a> of NYT who includes lots of links in his work. I think it&#8217;s a mistake to treat link-gathering as a variable that dependent upon the relative level of commentary vs fact-finding.</p>
<p>Now I hate to be the only capitalist in the room, but I do think that you could use this chart to plot out profitability and forecast it going forward. My sense is that <b>very few publications based solely on commentary (left side of spectrum) will be profitable in the future. </b>From a strategy perspective, the barriers to entry are just too low.  However, I think we are seeing that original reporting does in fact have value and that organizations who do it are growing in size and revenue.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Fulkerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Fulkerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. Given the recent announcement from The Washington Post&#039;s WhoRunsGov.com I think the graph needs updating. I took the liberty of updating it myself. :-) You can find it here: http://bit.ly/wpni</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. Given the recent announcement from The Washington Post&#8217;s WhoRunsGov.com I think the graph needs updating. I took the liberty of updating it myself. :-) You can find it here: <a href="http://bit.ly/wpni" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/wpni</a></p>
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		<title>By: Disrupting the Media Industry &#124; MindTouch, Inc Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/the-future-of-news-in-4-dimensions-how-real-news-orgs-fit-in-the-model/comment-page-1/#comment-33037</link>
		<dc:creator>Disrupting the Media Industry &#124; MindTouch, Inc Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this end, Nieman Journalism Lab&#8217;s C.W. Anderson laid out a model for what he sees as the future of news organizations.&#160; It is a highly insightful post that I encourage you to read.&#160; In it, he plots a number [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robin Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need a z-axis as well: level of self-pity and delusion. The WSJ editorial page pegs that, with WaPo&#039;s not far behind. But major media - with the notable exception of McClatchy - isn&#039;t far behind.

Putting AP dispatches and classified ads on pulp delivered every morning wasn&#039;t a business model: it was a license to print money. The news media sell trust, not fun - although a little fun is ok - and given all the slovenly reporting that passes for &quot;news&quot; who trusts the journos? 

These fantasies about making people pay for content are a joke. Murdoch was gong to make WSJ.com free until he saw how much money they were making - but here&#039;s the kicker: most people who subscribe to WSJ.com are there for the quality journalism and factual content, not the bonehead editorial page. And that&#039;s the rub: most papers don&#039;t produce content worth paying for.

Until that is fixed the death spiral will continue. And I welcome it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need a z-axis as well: level of self-pity and delusion. The WSJ editorial page pegs that, with WaPo&#8217;s not far behind. But major media &#8211; with the notable exception of McClatchy &#8211; isn&#8217;t far behind.</p>
<p>Putting AP dispatches and classified ads on pulp delivered every morning wasn&#8217;t a business model: it was a license to print money. The news media sell trust, not fun &#8211; although a little fun is ok &#8211; and given all the slovenly reporting that passes for &#8220;news&#8221; who trusts the journos? </p>
<p>These fantasies about making people pay for content are a joke. Murdoch was gong to make WSJ.com free until he saw how much money they were making &#8211; but here&#8217;s the kicker: most people who subscribe to WSJ.com are there for the quality journalism and factual content, not the bonehead editorial page. And that&#8217;s the rub: most papers don&#8217;t produce content worth paying for.</p>
<p>Until that is fixed the death spiral will continue. And I welcome it.</p>
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		<dc:creator>The future of news in 4 dimensions: How real news orgs fit in the model &#171; J-School: Educating Independent Journalists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Future of News in Four Dimensions: How Real News Orgs Fit in the Model [Voices] &#124; UpOff.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Future of News in Four Dimensions: How Real News Orgs Fit in the Model [Voices] &#124; UpOff.com</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: This week in media musings: Dividing and conquering, and two news models &#124; Mark Coddington</title>
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		<dc:creator>This week in media musings: Dividing and conquering, and two news models &#124; Mark Coddington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wasn&#8217;t much use until he gave us an idea of how he intends to apply it, but I see that in a follow-up post today, he&#8217;s done just that. (See what happens when you [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Golis &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2009-09-08</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Golis &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2009-09-08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The future of news in 4 dimensions: How real news orgs fit in the model » Nieman Journalism Lab This analysis of us makes sense to me. (tags: tpm journalism visualization aggregation nieman.journalism.lab) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Perception [Today in Infographics] &#171; State of the Fourth Estate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perception [Today in Infographics] &#171; State of the Fourth Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2009 September 8   tags: bloggers v. journalists, perception by Dave Levy   Take a minute and read through all of C.W. Anderson&#8217;s excellent analysis of the perception of the role of news organizations. In the meantime, just enjoy this [...]</description>
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