Comments on: Bill Keller trying to read the Times “mostly in digital forms” http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/bill-keller-trying-to-read-the-times-mostly-in-digital-forms/ Just another WordPress weblog Thu, 18 Mar 2010 05:23:16 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: NYT’s Keller: “What you can do with less, is less” » Nieman Journalism Lab http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/bill-keller-trying-to-read-the-times-mostly-in-digital-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-50283 NYT’s Keller: “What you can do with less, is less” » Nieman Journalism Lab Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:46:44 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=10084#comment-50283 [...] Gray Lady clears her nose: Bill Keller, the Times’ executive editor who’s becoming a regular around here, delivered a newsroom address on Thursday that touched on layoffs, efficiency, and [...]

[...] Gray Lady clears her nose: Bill Keller, the Times’ executive editor who’s becoming a regular around here, delivered a newsroom address on Thursday that touched on layoffs, efficiency, and [...]

]]> By: Melissa http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/bill-keller-trying-to-read-the-times-mostly-in-digital-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-45106 Melissa Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:44:08 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=10084#comment-45106 @A young Journalist & @Matt Mireles I think you've missed the point of this article completely. Of course there are a lot of people who prefer the web; but the idea is to see how someone who prefers print deals with the web. I think it's a forward-looking approach for someone like Keller to try going web-only. It allows him to see the strengths and weaknesses in the digital platform, not just for those currently using it, but for those who may be interested in transitioning. He can use the things he uncovers to help develop the online medium into a more intuitive one for those who are traditionally print readers. @HJ - I think that the Times is one of the few papers that truly is using the web to advantage. I love that when I read a story on their website, I can click through to more stories about that topic and learn the whole background for the situation through stories they've done, especially on major issues. @A young Journalist & @Matt Mireles
I think you’ve missed the point of this article completely. Of course there are a lot of people who prefer the web; but the idea is to see how someone who prefers print deals with the web. I think it’s a forward-looking approach for someone like Keller to try going web-only. It allows him to see the strengths and weaknesses in the digital platform, not just for those currently using it, but for those who may be interested in transitioning. He can use the things he uncovers to help develop the online medium into a more intuitive one for those who are traditionally print readers.

@HJ – I think that the Times is one of the few papers that truly is using the web to advantage. I love that when I read a story on their website, I can click through to more stories about that topic and learn the whole background for the situation through stories they’ve done, especially on major issues.

]]> By: Bill Keller tries the digital cold turkey « The Nowledge http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/bill-keller-trying-to-read-the-times-mostly-in-digital-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-45027 Bill Keller tries the digital cold turkey « The Nowledge Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:00:59 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=10084#comment-45027 [...] Overall, he was pleasantly surprised it seems. Check out his findings here. [...]

[...] Overall, he was pleasantly surprised it seems. Check out his findings here. [...]

]]> By: josh http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/bill-keller-trying-to-read-the-times-mostly-in-digital-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-44869 josh Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:34:30 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=10084#comment-44869 i'm kind of surprised mr. keller is just now getting around to doing this. this should've been a high priority a few years ago. i’m kind of surprised mr. keller is just now getting around to doing this. this should’ve been a high priority a few years ago.

]]> By: Freestyler http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/bill-keller-trying-to-read-the-times-mostly-in-digital-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-44818 Freestyler Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:49:28 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=10084#comment-44818 Well, I guess that's it! We're already having probs with delivery of NYT -- still love Sunday in print, on paper, all that touchy-feely stuff --but Keller's assessment seems like online it shall go. I also love the NYT online -- far superior to many other print pubs' versions. But there are a few newspapers and magazines I'd still like to get "for real." I promise to recycle. Well, I guess that’s it! We’re already having probs with delivery of NYT — still love Sunday in print, on paper, all that touchy-feely stuff –but Keller’s assessment seems like online it shall go.

I also love the NYT online — far superior to many other print pubs’ versions. But there are a few newspapers and magazines I’d still like to get “for real.” I promise to recycle.

]]> By: Lien http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/bill-keller-trying-to-read-the-times-mostly-in-digital-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-44506 Lien Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:31:40 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=10084#comment-44506 They could think about how to patent the concept behind Twitter, being about what's happening now, and adapt journalism to it. They could think about how to patent the concept behind Twitter, being about what’s happening now, and adapt journalism to it.

]]> By: Lien http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/bill-keller-trying-to-read-the-times-mostly-in-digital-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-44494 Lien Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:28:55 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=10084#comment-44494 I think it is just about the publisher trying to figure out trying to use their product on the new devices. Their are those that remember when TV was first invented. Nobody knew how to use it until someone came up with a commercial. Apart from the devices giving readers more opportunity to have the time to read the paper, working on the issue of ads that don't work would be more important to me. If Britney Spears cant't sell Coca-Cola and Michael Jackson couldn't sell Pepsi, I am surprised there is not any coverage about Madison Avenue going out of business. I think it is just about the publisher trying to figure out trying to use their product on the new devices.

Their are those that remember when TV was first invented. Nobody knew how to use it until someone came up with a commercial.

Apart from the devices giving readers more opportunity to have the time to read the paper, working on the issue of ads that don’t work would be more important to me.

If Britney Spears cant’t sell Coca-Cola and Michael Jackson couldn’t sell Pepsi, I am surprised there is not any coverage about Madison Avenue going out of business.

]]> By: Experiência interessante : Ponto Media http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/bill-keller-trying-to-read-the-times-mostly-in-digital-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-44481 Experiência interessante : Ponto Media Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:29:03 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=10084#comment-44481 [...] DIRECTOR do The New York Times está há três semanas a ler o seu jornal quase exclusivamente [...]

[...] DIRECTOR do The New York Times está há três semanas a ler o seu jornal quase exclusivamente [...]

]]> By: Finance Geek » NYT Editor: Reading The Times On The Kindle Is The Worst! http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/bill-keller-trying-to-read-the-times-mostly-in-digital-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-44471 Finance Geek » NYT Editor: Reading The Times On The Kindle Is The Worst! Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:05:33 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=10084#comment-44471 [...] The New York Times’ executive editor, Bill Keller, has taken to reading the Times, and its rivals in only digital formats writes Zachary Seward at the Nieman Journalism Lab. [...]

[...] The New York Times’ executive editor, Bill Keller, has taken to reading the Times, and its rivals in only digital formats writes Zachary Seward at the Nieman Journalism Lab. [...]

]]> By: New York Times, still uncertain on charging, sets seven digital priorities » Nieman Journalism Lab http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/bill-keller-trying-to-read-the-times-mostly-in-digital-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-44470 New York Times, still uncertain on charging, sets seven digital priorities » Nieman Journalism Lab Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:01:47 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=10084#comment-44470 [...] desk. To prepare, Keller said he and Abramson have been attending meetings with web staff and, as I wrote yesterday, trying to read the Times mostly [...]

[...] desk. To prepare, Keller said he and Abramson have been attending meetings with web staff and, as I wrote yesterday, trying to read the Times mostly [...]

]]> By: Steven M. http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/bill-keller-trying-to-read-the-times-mostly-in-digital-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-44456 Steven M. Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:28:19 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=10084#comment-44456 I spend a lot of time on the New York Times' website, but I also spend $850 annually to buy the print edition so as to financially support the institution. Plus the print edition is eminently more readable. I wish those in the executive suite at the New York Times better understood their news consumers, business model, and road map to the future. But I fear they don't. I spend a lot of time on the New York Times’ website, but I also spend $850 annually to buy the print edition so as to financially support the institution. Plus the print edition is eminently more readable. I wish those in the executive suite at the New York Times better understood their news consumers, business model, and road map to the future. But I fear they don’t.

]]> By: Jason Shen http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/bill-keller-trying-to-read-the-times-mostly-in-digital-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-44386 Jason Shen Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:23:47 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=10084#comment-44386 My favorite way to read news now is first thing in the morning. Right after my iPhone wakes me up, I can scan my Stanford Daily app for the news. I can do this while still under the covers, as soon as the articles published to the website. You can curl up much more easily with a small device than you can with broadsheet newsprint. My favorite way to read news now is first thing in the morning. Right after my iPhone wakes me up, I can scan my Stanford Daily app for the news. I can do this while still under the covers, as soon as the articles published to the website. You can curl up much more easily with a small device than you can with broadsheet newsprint.

]]> By: Tim http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/bill-keller-trying-to-read-the-times-mostly-in-digital-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-44353 Tim Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:54:27 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=10084#comment-44353 "Curling up with a paper" is perhaps the most revealing phrase in Keller's writeup. Whenever an older-generation newsperson talks about new electronic delivery systems, a little nugget like this one gets tucked in somewhere. Because these debates over change are really only about comfort -- and the older generation can't imagine how others could be comfortable in the digital-only world. I grew up with the internet, and I too like curling up with a paper and reading print on a page. But I'd manage fine if there were no more paper. “Curling up with a paper” is perhaps the most revealing phrase in Keller’s writeup.

Whenever an older-generation newsperson talks about new electronic delivery systems, a little nugget like this one gets tucked in somewhere. Because these debates over change are really only about comfort — and the older generation can’t imagine how others could be comfortable in the digital-only world.

I grew up with the internet, and I too like curling up with a paper and reading print on a page.

But I’d manage fine if there were no more paper.

]]> By: Jeremy White http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/bill-keller-trying-to-read-the-times-mostly-in-digital-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-44345 Jeremy White Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:45:19 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=10084#comment-44345 @HJ, The fact that you can not watch the news whenever it was convenient and skip to the exact story you want means that television is not as immediately accessible as a newspaper. The web inherits both television's delivery speed and the convenience of newspapers. @HJ,

The fact that you can not watch the news whenever it was convenient and skip to the exact story you want means that television is not as immediately accessible as a newspaper.

The web inherits both television’s delivery speed and the convenience of newspapers.

]]> By: nolongershocked http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/bill-keller-trying-to-read-the-times-mostly-in-digital-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-44342 nolongershocked Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:26:59 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=10084#comment-44342 So much triumphal arrogance of the young here, all amounting to "Keller is old. That is stupid." I wish this were something other than a cliche, but it's (so to speak) age-old. The surprising thing is the way so many people commenting feel like they have all of new media wired. We're in the very early days here, folks. Before it's over, intelligence, taste, and experience may matter too. At least Keller, unlike many of you, is testing his assumptions and trying new things. So much triumphal arrogance of the young here, all amounting to “Keller is old. That is stupid.” I wish this were something other than a cliche, but it’s (so to speak) age-old. The surprising thing is the way so many people commenting feel like they have all of new media wired. We’re in the very early days here, folks. Before it’s over, intelligence, taste, and experience may matter too. At least Keller, unlike many of you, is testing his assumptions and trying new things.

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