Comments on: What The Associated Press is saying to Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/what-the-associated-press-is-saying-to-google-microsoft-and-yahoo/ Just another WordPress weblog Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:44:11 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: This Week in Review: Google’s new features, what to do with the iPad, and Facebook’s rise as a news reader » Nieman Journalism Lab http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/what-the-associated-press-is-saying-to-google-microsoft-and-yahoo/comment-page-1/#comment-74681 This Week in Review: Google’s new features, what to do with the iPad, and Facebook’s rise as a news reader » Nieman Journalism Lab Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:01:48 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=9622#comment-74681 [...] so. Search engine guru Danny Sullivan wonders what it might mean, given the AP and Google’s icy relations. Oh yeah, and Google demoed some ideas of what a Chrome OS tablet — read: iPad competitor — [...]

[...] so. Search engine guru Danny Sullivan wonders what it might mean, given the AP and Google’s icy relations. Oh yeah, and Google demoed some ideas of what a Chrome OS tablet — read: iPad competitor — [...]

]]> By: Google Economist Explains Why You Won’t Pay For Online News « computer news http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/what-the-associated-press-is-saying-to-google-microsoft-and-yahoo/comment-page-1/#comment-72666 Google Economist Explains Why You Won’t Pay For Online News « computer news Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:28:12 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=9622#comment-72666 [...] for the tension between some news agencies and Google over Google News, Varian painted a very rosy picture of the Google/newspaper interaction, noting [...]

[...] for the tension between some news agencies and Google over Google News, Varian painted a very rosy picture of the Google/newspaper interaction, noting [...]

]]> By: Lost Remote | AP stories no longer appearing on Google News http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/what-the-associated-press-is-saying-to-google-microsoft-and-yahoo/comment-page-1/#comment-69204 Lost Remote | AP stories no longer appearing on Google News Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:21:19 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=9622#comment-69204 [...] points us to a speech AP CEO Tom Curley made at a media summit back in October, which strongly hinted the AP was disappointed with the level [...]

[...] points us to a speech AP CEO Tom Curley made at a media summit back in October, which strongly hinted the AP was disappointed with the level [...]

]]> By: L’information au cœur de la bataille entre Google et Microsoft - Media Trend http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/what-the-associated-press-is-saying-to-google-microsoft-and-yahoo/comment-page-1/#comment-56799 L’information au cœur de la bataille entre Google et Microsoft - Media Trend Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:22:46 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=9622#comment-56799 [...] la conférence, Tom Curley, rapporte Zachary M. Seward, sur le site du NiemanJournalismLab, a poursuivi la discussion de manière plus [...]

[...] la conférence, Tom Curley, rapporte Zachary M. Seward, sur le site du NiemanJournalismLab, a poursuivi la discussion de manière plus [...]

]]> By: Thinking Allowed » Blog Archive » The Great Newspaper Debate http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/what-the-associated-press-is-saying-to-google-microsoft-and-yahoo/comment-page-1/#comment-53291 Thinking Allowed » Blog Archive » The Great Newspaper Debate Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:55:30 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=9622#comment-53291 [...] to do the same. If he can get enough to jump on board — and it sounds like Associated Press is halfway there already — the thinking is he could put pressure on Google to pay up as [...]

[...] to do the same. If he can get enough to jump on board — and it sounds like Associated Press is halfway there already — the thinking is he could put pressure on Google to pay up as [...]

]]> By: Josh Cohen Of Google News On Paywalls, Partnerships & Working With Publishers http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/what-the-associated-press-is-saying-to-google-microsoft-and-yahoo/comment-page-1/#comment-52691 Josh Cohen Of Google News On Paywalls, Partnerships & Working With Publishers Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:01:59 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=9622#comment-52691 [...] What The Associated Press is saying to Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo [...]

[...] What The Associated Press is saying to Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo [...]

]]> By: Is Rupert Murdoch stupid like a fox? http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/what-the-associated-press-is-saying-to-google-microsoft-and-yahoo/comment-page-1/#comment-52331 Is Rupert Murdoch stupid like a fox? Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:42:55 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=9622#comment-52331 [...] do the same. If he can get enough to jump on board — and it sounds like Associated Press is halfway there already — the thinking is he could put pressure on Google to pay up as well. Mike Butcher at [...]

[...] do the same. If he can get enough to jump on board — and it sounds like Associated Press is halfway there already — the thinking is he could put pressure on Google to pay up as well. Mike Butcher at [...]

]]> By: The web as a contested landscape « Netcultures http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/what-the-associated-press-is-saying-to-google-microsoft-and-yahoo/comment-page-1/#comment-46830 The web as a contested landscape « Netcultures Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:31:57 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=9622#comment-46830 [...] faculty to us here. Has anyone been following the story of Associated Press versus Google (1, 2)? There’s a really nice exposé on  ABC’s Background Briefing called Who Owns The [...]

[...] faculty to us here. Has anyone been following the story of Associated Press versus Google (1, 2)? There’s a really nice exposé on  ABC’s Background Briefing called Who Owns The [...]

]]> By: Mike Pasquale http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/what-the-associated-press-is-saying-to-google-microsoft-and-yahoo/comment-page-1/#comment-45314 Mike Pasquale Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:02:05 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=9622#comment-45314 Now Google has quite a bit of cash floating around and could easily assemble it's own news gathering operation quite handily. What would AP do if Google were to assemble such an organization then pull a "Walmart" by under charging for the aggregated content thereby pulling AP's membership base away from them and effectively putting them out of business? Mr. Curley is playing a dangerous game of cat-and-mouse and given Google's proven internet and business acumen and Microsoft's equally relevant missteps (ME, Zune, Vista, etc.) which team would you bet on to succeed -- a savvy Google news and business powerhouse or a brazen yet shaky AP/Microsoft news venture with as much (or more) potential for failure as it has for success? It's a wild world out there and Google has been on top for quite awhile now. My advice to AP would be to hold your well intentioned plans a little closer to the vest for now because Google is likely already planning to counter attack. Another potential issue for AP is it's "not for profit" status which may be called into question by federal regulators if their alliance with Microsoft proves to be as profitable as they hope it would be. Google would no doubt push that hot button with anti-trust regulators at a time of their liking (presumably as the competition between AP/Microsoft and Google starts to really heat up). All of this is naturally conjecture at this point but Google has proven to be a sturdy competitor in the past and would presumably take off the kid gloves if an all out news conglomerate battle were to erupt between themselves and any organization. Now Google has quite a bit of cash floating around and could easily assemble it’s own news gathering operation quite handily. What would AP do if Google were to assemble such an organization then pull a “Walmart” by under charging for the aggregated content thereby pulling AP’s membership base away from them and effectively putting them out of business? Mr. Curley is playing a dangerous game of cat-and-mouse and given Google’s proven internet and business acumen and Microsoft’s equally relevant missteps (ME, Zune, Vista, etc.) which team would you bet on to succeed — a savvy Google news and business powerhouse or a brazen yet shaky AP/Microsoft news venture with as much (or more) potential for failure as it has for success? It’s a wild world out there and Google has been on top for quite awhile now. My advice to AP would be to hold your well intentioned plans a little closer to the vest for now because Google is likely already planning to counter attack. Another potential issue for AP is it’s “not for profit” status which may be called into question by federal regulators if their alliance with Microsoft proves to be as profitable as they hope it would be. Google would no doubt push that hot button with anti-trust regulators at a time of their liking (presumably as the competition between AP/Microsoft and Google starts to really heat up). All of this is naturally conjecture at this point but Google has proven to be a sturdy competitor in the past and would presumably take off the kid gloves if an all out news conglomerate battle were to erupt between themselves and any organization.

]]> By: This week in media musings: Obama v. Fox News, and NPR’s social media tact | Mark Coddington http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/what-the-associated-press-is-saying-to-google-microsoft-and-yahoo/comment-page-1/#comment-43978 This week in media musings: Obama v. Fox News, and NPR’s social media tact | Mark Coddington Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:06:07 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=9622#comment-43978 [...] relentless Zachary Seward, we get some clarification and much smarter stuff from Curley. (Short version/full [...]

[...] relentless Zachary Seward, we get some clarification and much smarter stuff from Curley. (Short version/full [...]

]]> By: Dean Miller http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/what-the-associated-press-is-saying-to-google-microsoft-and-yahoo/comment-page-1/#comment-43415 Dean Miller Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:07:39 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=9622#comment-43415 It's fascinating to note that the first remarks always come from the haters. ("blindness, stupidity" etc) Do they really think that Google is going to spend the money digging up news, verifying it and taking the risks that come with independence? Save your hot air. You're going to need it when there's no one with the resources and attention span to expose something as complex as the S.W.I.F.T. bank surveillance, the eastern european gulags...etc. Many want to say they can do news. Few want to pay the dues. People who cherish their freedom should be hoping against hope that AP will succeed. Any organization, like Google, that lives to lap up metrics will be severely handicapped in its ability to ignore the market. AP isn't perfect, but at least the culture at AP has more to do with public service than monetizing algorithmic foci... It’s fascinating to note that the first remarks always come from the haters. (“blindness, stupidity” etc)
Do they really think that Google is going to spend the money digging up news, verifying it and taking the risks that come with independence?
Save your hot air. You’re going to need it when there’s no one with the resources and attention span to expose something as complex as the S.W.I.F.T. bank surveillance, the eastern european gulags…etc.
Many want to say they can do news.
Few want to pay the dues.
People who cherish their freedom should be hoping against hope that AP will succeed.
Any organization, like Google, that lives to lap up metrics will be severely handicapped in its ability to ignore the market.
AP isn’t perfect, but at least the culture at AP has more to do with public service than monetizing algorithmic foci…

]]> By: Nieman Journalism Lab: AP’s Tom Curley on the ‘oversupply’ of news – full text and audio | Journalism.co.uk Editors' Blog http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/what-the-associated-press-is-saying-to-google-microsoft-and-yahoo/comment-page-1/#comment-42637 Nieman Journalism Lab: AP’s Tom Curley on the ‘oversupply’ of news – full text and audio | Journalism.co.uk Editors' Blog Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:26:43 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=9622#comment-42637 [...] as Nieman Journalism Lab reported on Friday, Curley was ‘far more revealing’ when he spoke without a prepared text on October 6 at [...]

[...] as Nieman Journalism Lab reported on Friday, Curley was ‘far more revealing’ when he spoke without a prepared text on October 6 at [...]

]]> By: AP’s Tom Curley on the “oversupply” of news and what he’s doing about it » Nieman Journalism Lab http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/what-the-associated-press-is-saying-to-google-microsoft-and-yahoo/comment-page-1/#comment-42388 AP’s Tom Curley on the “oversupply” of news and what he’s doing about it » Nieman Journalism Lab Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:40:21 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=9622#comment-42388 [...] a prepared text on October 6 at the Foreign Correspondents’ Club in Hong Kong. I wrote about the big news from that talk on Friday but can now share the audio and [...]

[...] a prepared text on October 6 at the Foreign Correspondents’ Club in Hong Kong. I wrote about the big news from that talk on Friday but can now share the audio and [...]

]]> By: Nick @ Brick Marketing http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/what-the-associated-press-is-saying-to-google-microsoft-and-yahoo/comment-page-1/#comment-42095 Nick @ Brick Marketing Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:08:28 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=9622#comment-42095 I think we are all a little excited to see what Bing's plans are now to really pull in market share. I think we are all a little excited to see what Bing’s plans are now to really pull in market share.

]]> By: Michael Martinez http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/10/what-the-associated-press-is-saying-to-google-microsoft-and-yahoo/comment-page-1/#comment-41945 Michael Martinez Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:25:58 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=9622#comment-41945 Google DOES have a self-referring network. That is how they have inflated their page views over the page views that Microsoft and Yahoo! generate from search. The search industry today is, unfortunately, measured on the basis of those page views rather than on the basis of how much traffic the search engines actually send to other sites. I'm not saying the Associated Press and News Corp have the right idea in mind -- I will be the last person to pay a subscription for news -- but many of the criticisms he is reportedly making in the citations you provide are valid. Google DOES have a self-referring network. That is how they have inflated their page views over the page views that Microsoft and Yahoo! generate from search.

The search industry today is, unfortunately, measured on the basis of those page views rather than on the basis of how much traffic the search engines actually send to other sites.

I’m not saying the Associated Press and News Corp have the right idea in mind — I will be the last person to pay a subscription for news — but many of the criticisms he is reportedly making in the citations you provide are valid.

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