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		<title>By: My story of digital journalism &#171; Media in Touch</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/12/on-transparency-objectivity-and-the-near-occasion-of-subjectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-139791</link>
		<dc:creator>My story of digital journalism &#171; Media in Touch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Entrepreneurial Journalism: What Is It, Why It Matters and Can You Teach It? &#171; SPREADER OF GOSSIP &#38; VICE</title>
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		<dc:creator>Entrepreneurial Journalism: What Is It, Why It Matters and Can You Teach It? &#171; SPREADER OF GOSSIP &#38; VICE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 20:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] • Transparency over objectivity. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Carrie Brown-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/12/on-transparency-objectivity-and-the-near-occasion-of-subjectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-64790</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie Brown-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 04:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Gina.

What&#039;s interesting to me is that transparency isn&#039;t really &quot;new&quot; at all - it&#039;s an idea that had been lost but was intrinsic to the original meaning of objectivity when it arose in the American context in the 1920s, according to historians like Mindich and Kovach and Rosenstiel&#039;s Elements of Journalism. The idea was not that the journalist him or herself could ever be objective/free of any personal feeling or belief- Freud, relativism, and other trends of the time made that increasingly seem naive -  but that she would use an objective METHOD for testing and verifying information and then be transparent about that method so that others would know what to think. Much like the scientific method, albeit on deadline.

 But the Web with its interactivity has made it all the more vital that journalists use transparency. 

If you haven&#039;t read it, Stephen Ward&#039;s conception of &quot;pragmatic objectivity&quot; is the smartest explanation of having your cake and eating it too that I&#039;ve ever seen. :) 

Cheers,
Carrie Brown-Smith
@brizzyc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Gina.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting to me is that transparency isn&#8217;t really &#8220;new&#8221; at all &#8211; it&#8217;s an idea that had been lost but was intrinsic to the original meaning of objectivity when it arose in the American context in the 1920s, according to historians like Mindich and Kovach and Rosenstiel&#8217;s Elements of Journalism. The idea was not that the journalist him or herself could ever be objective/free of any personal feeling or belief- Freud, relativism, and other trends of the time made that increasingly seem naive &#8211;  but that she would use an objective METHOD for testing and verifying information and then be transparent about that method so that others would know what to think. Much like the scientific method, albeit on deadline.</p>
<p> But the Web with its interactivity has made it all the more vital that journalists use transparency. </p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t read it, Stephen Ward&#8217;s conception of &#8220;pragmatic objectivity&#8221; is the smartest explanation of having your cake and eating it too that I&#8217;ve ever seen. :) </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Carrie Brown-Smith<br />
@brizzyc</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Chen</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/12/on-transparency-objectivity-and-the-near-occasion-of-subjectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-62154</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

True enough. Bloggers (at least some of them) get this concept more than many traditional journalists. But I hope there are still some trad journos to get it before they die out.

Michael,

I agree that transparency also includes clueing the reader into the process of the story. But I do think transparency applies to the journalists themselves and isn&#039;t all that obvious. Yes, it&#039;s obvious that journalists have opinions. Not sure it&#039;s obvious to readers what those opinions are.


Gina</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>True enough. Bloggers (at least some of them) get this concept more than many traditional journalists. But I hope there are still some trad journos to get it before they die out.</p>
<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I agree that transparency also includes clueing the reader into the process of the story. But I do think transparency applies to the journalists themselves and isn&#8217;t all that obvious. Yes, it&#8217;s obvious that journalists have opinions. Not sure it&#8217;s obvious to readers what those opinions are.</p>
<p>Gina</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Becker</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/12/on-transparency-objectivity-and-the-near-occasion-of-subjectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-61748</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see transparency more from the procedural side than the personal side. It&#039;s not so much about letting the public know the obvious, that reporters have personal opinions. It&#039;s about letting the public see exactly how journalists gather information and produce stories. It&#039;s about letting them know the questions we asked, who we asked and what we don&#039;t know. That way, the public can judge for themselves whether the coverage we produce is objective.

(Thanks for the link, by the way.)
I think that&#039;s what Craig Newmark was getting at when he said that &quot;objectivity is the new transparency.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see transparency more from the procedural side than the personal side. It&#8217;s not so much about letting the public know the obvious, that reporters have personal opinions. It&#8217;s about letting the public see exactly how journalists gather information and produce stories. It&#8217;s about letting them know the questions we asked, who we asked and what we don&#8217;t know. That way, the public can judge for themselves whether the coverage we produce is objective.</p>
<p>(Thanks for the link, by the way.)<br />
I think that&#8217;s what Craig Newmark was getting at when he said that &#8220;objectivity is the new transparency.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Mireles</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/12/on-transparency-objectivity-and-the-near-occasion-of-subjectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-60592</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Mireles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gina,

Nice post. 

I think you&#039;re right on a lot of levels, and i think that the fact that the blogging community has already adopted what you&#039;re advocating as a norm speaks to the power and pull of this. 

I think of Michael Arrington and his recent &quot;Scamville&quot; series on TechCrunch about lead generation services that lock unsuspecting people into obscure monthly subscriptions to useless services and that are making $100s of millions of revenue for social gaming startups like Zynga. He was a man on a mission, and he didn&#039;t hide it. I know I came to respect him more for it. 

That&#039;s the rub: what you&#039;re describing and advocating is something that people in the blogosphere and the new crop of young, growing media companies are already doing. It is only the dinosaurs in rapidly shrinking newspaper land that cling to this old notion of objectivity über ales. I don&#039;t know that you need to make the argument (although it&#039;s fun) so much as sit and wait for time to kill off the news orgs that don&#039;t get it. 

-Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gina,</p>
<p>Nice post. </p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right on a lot of levels, and i think that the fact that the blogging community has already adopted what you&#8217;re advocating as a norm speaks to the power and pull of this. </p>
<p>I think of Michael Arrington and his recent &#8220;Scamville&#8221; series on TechCrunch about lead generation services that lock unsuspecting people into obscure monthly subscriptions to useless services and that are making $100s of millions of revenue for social gaming startups like Zynga. He was a man on a mission, and he didn&#8217;t hide it. I know I came to respect him more for it. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the rub: what you&#8217;re describing and advocating is something that people in the blogosphere and the new crop of young, growing media companies are already doing. It is only the dinosaurs in rapidly shrinking newspaper land that cling to this old notion of objectivity über ales. I don&#8217;t know that you need to make the argument (although it&#8217;s fun) so much as sit and wait for time to kill off the news orgs that don&#8217;t get it. </p>
<p>-Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Chen</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/12/on-transparency-objectivity-and-the-near-occasion-of-subjectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-60546</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

You&#039;re right. I&#039;m Catholic. Guilty as charged. However, I thought the meaning would be clear enough to anyone. Apologizes if it wasn&#039;t. 

Gina</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right. I&#8217;m Catholic. Guilty as charged. However, I thought the meaning would be clear enough to anyone. Apologizes if it wasn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Gina</p>
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		<title>By: Findes objektivitet overhovedet? &#124; Digitale medier, håb &#38; falliterklæringer</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/12/on-transparency-objectivity-and-the-near-occasion-of-subjectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-60447</link>
		<dc:creator>Findes objektivitet overhovedet? &#124; Digitale medier, håb &#38; falliterklæringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] samme grund er det naturligt at spørge, om der overhovedet findes objektivitet? Og om der bør [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Journalism in the Age of the Blog &#171; The Written Word and Other Fantastic Creatures</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/12/on-transparency-objectivity-and-the-near-occasion-of-subjectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-60422</link>
		<dc:creator>Journalism in the Age of the Blog &#171; The Written Word and Other Fantastic Creatures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 05:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Fien Print by Andrew Gordon   Gina Chen at the Nieman Journalism Lab recently published an article about a shift she wants to see in how journalists write. Where once the goal was &#8220;avoiding the near occasion of subjectivity, not true [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Fien Print by Andrew Gordon   Gina Chen at the Nieman Journalism Lab recently published an article about a shift she wants to see in how journalists write. Where once the goal was &#8220;avoiding the near occasion of subjectivity, not true [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/12/on-transparency-objectivity-and-the-near-occasion-of-subjectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-60389</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all of your readers are Catholic... I had an inkling from context what the phrase &quot;near occasion of ____&quot; might mean, but had to Google it to be certain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all of your readers are Catholic&#8230; I had an inkling from context what the phrase &#8220;near occasion of ____&#8221; might mean, but had to Google it to be certain.</p>
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