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		<title>By: Mark Moskow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Moskow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 05:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are naturally afraid of change. Doing it &quot;the old way&quot; is safe. It requires no thought, but is not what&#039;s best for society. Technology is continously changing our world every day, like it or not.

A similar situation is going on in NY where companies that form LLCs must pay up to $1,000 to publish their formation notice in newspapers. Many of the LLCs are small business owners who would like less expensive alternatives such as the Internet. In most areas including rural areas, internet penetration is greater than the paid newspaper penetration. There is a site called http://legal-notice.org that is proactively doing something about it. They are publishing all LLC notices for free online. While the current law still requires publication in newspapers, it&#039;s great to see how easy the &quot;new world&quot; will be as soon as the law catches up with technology. 
In response to the &quot;fox guarding the hen-house&quot; argument of government run web sites. Why not replace expensive newspaper requirements with &quot;designated&quot; publication sites like http://legal-notice.org approved but not run by the government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are naturally afraid of change. Doing it &#8220;the old way&#8221; is safe. It requires no thought, but is not what&#8217;s best for society. Technology is continously changing our world every day, like it or not.</p>
<p>A similar situation is going on in NY where companies that form LLCs must pay up to $1,000 to publish their formation notice in newspapers. Many of the LLCs are small business owners who would like less expensive alternatives such as the Internet. In most areas including rural areas, internet penetration is greater than the paid newspaper penetration. There is a site called <a href="http://legal-notice.org" rel="nofollow">http://legal-notice.org</a> that is proactively doing something about it. They are publishing all LLC notices for free online. While the current law still requires publication in newspapers, it&#8217;s great to see how easy the &#8220;new world&#8221; will be as soon as the law catches up with technology.<br />
In response to the &#8220;fox guarding the hen-house&#8221; argument of government run web sites. Why not replace expensive newspaper requirements with &#8220;designated&#8221; publication sites like <a href="http://legal-notice.org" rel="nofollow">http://legal-notice.org</a> approved but not run by the government?</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Hutcheson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip Hutcheson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mac: You&#039;re saying they are outdated because of two factors: small type and “relegated” to deep, dark sections of the newspaper.
As Max Heath noted, and it is true in Kentucky, the size of the type is mandated by law. In Kentucky, public notices are to be printed in 7 pt. type. As far as the location, many newspapers have taken proactive measures to create better positioning for public notices. Most papers, like ours, carry them in Classifieds. That puts them in a very visible, highly desirable part of the paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mac: You&#8217;re saying they are outdated because of two factors: small type and “relegated” to deep, dark sections of the newspaper.<br />
As Max Heath noted, and it is true in Kentucky, the size of the type is mandated by law. In Kentucky, public notices are to be printed in 7 pt. type. As far as the location, many newspapers have taken proactive measures to create better positioning for public notices. Most papers, like ours, carry them in Classifieds. That puts them in a very visible, highly desirable part of the paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Mac Slocum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac Slocum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chip: I understand what you&#039;re saying. I don&#039;t have any argument with access concerns. I do not hold to the belief that digital = permanent. I&#039;ve lost far too many hard drives to accept that fallacy.

The government issue is absolutely relevant as well. I note that in the piece. There&#039;s a slippery slope concern here. 

What I&#039;m arguing against is the *way* some folks are positioning this. Quippy soundbites about electricity and henhouses sound clever, but they don&#039;t overcome some pretty big detriments: public notices seem outdated because in many respects they are outdated. They&#039;re printed in very small type. They&#039;re relegated to deep, dark sections of the newspaper. There&#039;s a couple strikes already against them, yet some of the people defending them -- people with legitimate arguments -- rely on messaging that&#039;s hard to stomach. I think that&#039;s counterproductive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chip: I understand what you&#8217;re saying. I don&#8217;t have any argument with access concerns. I do not hold to the belief that digital = permanent. I&#8217;ve lost far too many hard drives to accept that fallacy.</p>
<p>The government issue is absolutely relevant as well. I note that in the piece. There&#8217;s a slippery slope concern here. </p>
<p>What I&#8217;m arguing against is the *way* some folks are positioning this. Quippy soundbites about electricity and henhouses sound clever, but they don&#8217;t overcome some pretty big detriments: public notices seem outdated because in many respects they are outdated. They&#8217;re printed in very small type. They&#8217;re relegated to deep, dark sections of the newspaper. There&#8217;s a couple strikes already against them, yet some of the people defending them &#8212; people with legitimate arguments &#8212; rely on messaging that&#8217;s hard to stomach. I think that&#8217;s counterproductive.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Hutcheson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip Hutcheson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mac,
You are completely off-base in understanding the reasoning here. This is not an issue of the electricity being off or on. What may be accessible on the Internet today might be totally inaccessible years from now (i.e. 8-track tapes, floppy disks from previous years, just examples of the things we felt were secure that suddenly were ineffective). And the idea that governments control their own web sites, hence their own public notices, is akin to the fox guarding the hen house.
Regarding software, school districts in Kentucky must post certain public notices on their individual web sites. Some are very lax in doing that - having the notices available months later than they should be. Not all are in Acrobat - some are Word documents, Excel spreadsheets, even Publisher documents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mac,<br />
You are completely off-base in understanding the reasoning here. This is not an issue of the electricity being off or on. What may be accessible on the Internet today might be totally inaccessible years from now (i.e. 8-track tapes, floppy disks from previous years, just examples of the things we felt were secure that suddenly were ineffective). And the idea that governments control their own web sites, hence their own public notices, is akin to the fox guarding the hen house.<br />
Regarding software, school districts in Kentucky must post certain public notices on their individual web sites. Some are very lax in doing that &#8211; having the notices available months later than they should be. Not all are in Acrobat &#8211; some are Word documents, Excel spreadsheets, even Publisher documents.</p>
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		<title>By: Merle Baranczyk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Merle Baranczyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The city of Salida, CO conducted a recent survey with a 16 % response rate. One question was where do you go for local news? 91.8% said the local newspaper, 4% said the city website. And city officials were surprised at their website&#039;s poor showing. In 2008 our public notice revenues ran 1.1% of gross, which is about average. Last year due primarily to an increase in numbers of foreclosures, revenues were 1.6% of gross. The purpose behind public notice is to make the public aware of official notices. So where do you put them to be noticed? On city websites or in newspapers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The city of Salida, CO conducted a recent survey with a 16 % response rate. One question was where do you go for local news? 91.8% said the local newspaper, 4% said the city website. And city officials were surprised at their website&#8217;s poor showing. In 2008 our public notice revenues ran 1.1% of gross, which is about average. Last year due primarily to an increase in numbers of foreclosures, revenues were 1.6% of gross. The purpose behind public notice is to make the public aware of official notices. So where do you put them to be noticed? On city websites or in newspapers?</p>
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		<title>By: Mac Slocum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac Slocum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chip: Any argument that relies on the lights staying on (or off) absolutely teeter on absurdity in my book. If electricity is down long enough for people to be worrying about public notice retrieval, we&#039;ll have plenty of other things to concern ourselves with. 

Fear mongering obscures reasonable points. As I noted in the piece, Rush didn&#039;t resort to that kind of thing and I found the arguments she made quite sound. That&#039;s what&#039;s unfortunate here. The bombast doesn&#039;t further the dialogue.

One question  -- and this came up as I was working on this piece as well -- what software package (or packages) are you referring to? I&#039;m assuming Acrobat, but I really don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chip: Any argument that relies on the lights staying on (or off) absolutely teeter on absurdity in my book. If electricity is down long enough for people to be worrying about public notice retrieval, we&#8217;ll have plenty of other things to concern ourselves with. </p>
<p>Fear mongering obscures reasonable points. As I noted in the piece, Rush didn&#8217;t resort to that kind of thing and I found the arguments she made quite sound. That&#8217;s what&#8217;s unfortunate here. The bombast doesn&#8217;t further the dialogue.</p>
<p>One question  &#8212; and this came up as I was working on this piece as well &#8212; what software package (or packages) are you referring to? I&#8217;m assuming Acrobat, but I really don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Hutcheson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip Hutcheson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teetered on absurdity? That shows a complete lack of understanding regarding the long-term viability of printed public notices versus those on the Internet. I challenge you to find public notices on many government-based sites. And in some cases those notices require software that the average consumer will not have on their computer. And the claim that these notices are serious revenue streams is absurd. 
For a real-world application, ask the average person how they would go about finding a public notice on a government-based web site. Then ask that person how many public notices they have seen in newspapers. I&#039;d call that a slam dunk victory for newspapers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teetered on absurdity? That shows a complete lack of understanding regarding the long-term viability of printed public notices versus those on the Internet. I challenge you to find public notices on many government-based sites. And in some cases those notices require software that the average consumer will not have on their computer. And the claim that these notices are serious revenue streams is absurd.<br />
For a real-world application, ask the average person how they would go about finding a public notice on a government-based web site. Then ask that person how many public notices they have seen in newspapers. I&#8217;d call that a slam dunk victory for newspapers.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Heath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a semi-retired postal consultant who has &quot;lobbied&quot; the Kentucky legislature for my company since 1980, I would like to point out just a few things.

1. In recent years, the same legislature that wanted to take public notices out of newspapers (usually because some legislator was mad at his or her newspaper over news coverage, or prompted by local public officials mad at the newspaper), very often proposed bills on a variety of new programs which also included a public-notice provision to ensure awareness and public accountability. While newspapers might understandably be interested in protecting their public-notice revenue stream, my experience, and a reading of history, I believe, will show that legislators themselves proposed public notices for very good reasons. 

2. The small type that critics use against the newspaper industry is also often proscribed by legislation. 

3. I can assure you that other than exceptional years for some major power company public filing or heavy election years, that legals do NOT provide more than 1% of the income for most community newspapers.

4. Newspapers are a good vehicle because they are available to subscribers and single-copy purchasers to see as they page through a newspaper. The idea that people would spend time searching for public notices online, other perhaps bidders for contracts, is specious at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a semi-retired postal consultant who has &#8220;lobbied&#8221; the Kentucky legislature for my company since 1980, I would like to point out just a few things.</p>
<p>1. In recent years, the same legislature that wanted to take public notices out of newspapers (usually because some legislator was mad at his or her newspaper over news coverage, or prompted by local public officials mad at the newspaper), very often proposed bills on a variety of new programs which also included a public-notice provision to ensure awareness and public accountability. While newspapers might understandably be interested in protecting their public-notice revenue stream, my experience, and a reading of history, I believe, will show that legislators themselves proposed public notices for very good reasons. </p>
<p>2. The small type that critics use against the newspaper industry is also often proscribed by legislation. </p>
<p>3. I can assure you that other than exceptional years for some major power company public filing or heavy election years, that legals do NOT provide more than 1% of the income for most community newspapers.</p>
<p>4. Newspapers are a good vehicle because they are available to subscribers and single-copy purchasers to see as they page through a newspaper. The idea that people would spend time searching for public notices online, other perhaps bidders for contracts, is specious at best.</p>
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		<title>By: David Westphal</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Westphal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good piece, Max.  Interesting comments, too.  One thing I&#039;m eager to know more precisely is the national cost of public notices.  The 1 to 2 percent figure has to be way high.  Local governments (not including state governments) spend $1.7 trillion or so annually.  1 to 2 percent of that is $17 to $34 billion.  Even the low end there would amount to more than half of all newspaper advertising.

The Iowa Press Association estimated the Iowa total at one-20th of 1 percent of local government spending.  Extrapolated nationally, that would be just shy of $1 billion, as we noted in our report.

But this doesn&#039;t include either federal or state public notices.  (Did anyone see yesterday&#039;s Wall Street Journal?  More than 4 pages of public notices notices paid for by the federal government.)  It also doesn&#039;t include the entirely separate category of notices the government requires of the private sector.  When we were in Washington last week, virtually the entire Post classified section we picked up was bank-paid foreclosure notices required by the state of Virginia.

On the merits, I think newspapers have strong arguments right now that Web-posting on a government page would drastically reduce the public&#039;s exposure to these announcements.  This is an issue that&#039;s worthy of a full public airing, given the importance of public notices throughout American history and, I believe, the critical role they&#039;ve played in setting a standard of openness.

Even so, it&#039;s clear where this is going longer term.  Notices will eventually end up on the Web and this great revenue stream for newspapers will shrink significantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good piece, Max.  Interesting comments, too.  One thing I&#8217;m eager to know more precisely is the national cost of public notices.  The 1 to 2 percent figure has to be way high.  Local governments (not including state governments) spend $1.7 trillion or so annually.  1 to 2 percent of that is $17 to $34 billion.  Even the low end there would amount to more than half of all newspaper advertising.</p>
<p>The Iowa Press Association estimated the Iowa total at one-20th of 1 percent of local government spending.  Extrapolated nationally, that would be just shy of $1 billion, as we noted in our report.</p>
<p>But this doesn&#8217;t include either federal or state public notices.  (Did anyone see yesterday&#8217;s Wall Street Journal?  More than 4 pages of public notices notices paid for by the federal government.)  It also doesn&#8217;t include the entirely separate category of notices the government requires of the private sector.  When we were in Washington last week, virtually the entire Post classified section we picked up was bank-paid foreclosure notices required by the state of Virginia.</p>
<p>On the merits, I think newspapers have strong arguments right now that Web-posting on a government page would drastically reduce the public&#8217;s exposure to these announcements.  This is an issue that&#8217;s worthy of a full public airing, given the importance of public notices throughout American history and, I believe, the critical role they&#8217;ve played in setting a standard of openness.</p>
<p>Even so, it&#8217;s clear where this is going longer term.  Notices will eventually end up on the Web and this great revenue stream for newspapers will shrink significantly.</p>
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		<title>By: Back to Basics on Public Notices &#171; Reinventing the Newsroom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Back to Basics on Public Notices &#171; Reinventing the Newsroom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by reinventingthenewsroom on February 5, 2010   Yesterday at Nieman Journalism Lab, Mac Slocum offered a roundup of the arguments for requiring governments to continue printing public notices in newspapers [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by reinventingthenewsroom on February 5, 2010   Yesterday at Nieman Journalism Lab, Mac Slocum offered a roundup of the arguments for requiring governments to continue printing public notices in newspapers [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Stray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Stray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The argument that electronic notices are less secure could be nullified if (whoa) proper security procedures were used. Any post-publication changes would be reliably detected if each notice file was cryptographically signed with the current date. Standards and infrastructure already exist for doing this, see e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_timestamping.

Note that this would also prevent undetectable changes by the government. The signing time stamp would no longer match the purported date of the story.

In my opinion, *all* news publication should be cryptographically time stamped. It&#039;s not very hard, and completely prevents a hacker from undetectably changing the story. It also keeps the publisher honest, since they have to admit to any story changes after publication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument that electronic notices are less secure could be nullified if (whoa) proper security procedures were used. Any post-publication changes would be reliably detected if each notice file was cryptographically signed with the current date. Standards and infrastructure already exist for doing this, see e.g. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_timestamping" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_timestamping</a>.</p>
<p>Note that this would also prevent undetectable changes by the government. The signing time stamp would no longer match the purported date of the story.</p>
<p>In my opinion, *all* news publication should be cryptographically time stamped. It&#8217;s not very hard, and completely prevents a hacker from undetectably changing the story. It also keeps the publisher honest, since they have to admit to any story changes after publication.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Mathews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Mathews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The industry response would be more coherent if the lobbyist practiced the kind of transparency newspapers expect from government itself. State press associations consistently and tenaciously lobby for these public notice requirements every legislative session in order to preserve their revenue and margins. The revenues are not a little money--there is no editorial cost, so they&#039;re even more profitable than classifieds used to be. I would think that most of the revenue drops to the newspapers&#039; bottom lines.

The issue of cost to the municipalities is nontrivial, too. Beyond Sam&#039;s first point about the amount of absolute dollars spent by towns and counties, consider the compliance costs: the laws requiring that public notices appear in newspapers have convoluted, difficult-to-comply with provisions that assure that every publisher gets his finger in the pot.

Speaking as the CEO of a company that has been asked again and again by our state and municipal clients if we can handle their public postings for them, I can say that there are businesses that could do this cheaper, better and with none of the conflicts of interest that the newspaper lobbyist fears. Even better, we could even syndicate the postings back to the newspapers in easy-to-publish formats that would still allow them to report it to their audiences--if they thought that the news was worth more than the money they took to print it in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The industry response would be more coherent if the lobbyist practiced the kind of transparency newspapers expect from government itself. State press associations consistently and tenaciously lobby for these public notice requirements every legislative session in order to preserve their revenue and margins. The revenues are not a little money&#8211;there is no editorial cost, so they&#8217;re even more profitable than classifieds used to be. I would think that most of the revenue drops to the newspapers&#8217; bottom lines.</p>
<p>The issue of cost to the municipalities is nontrivial, too. Beyond Sam&#8217;s first point about the amount of absolute dollars spent by towns and counties, consider the compliance costs: the laws requiring that public notices appear in newspapers have convoluted, difficult-to-comply with provisions that assure that every publisher gets his finger in the pot.</p>
<p>Speaking as the CEO of a company that has been asked again and again by our state and municipal clients if we can handle their public postings for them, I can say that there are businesses that could do this cheaper, better and with none of the conflicts of interest that the newspaper lobbyist fears. Even better, we could even syndicate the postings back to the newspapers in easy-to-publish formats that would still allow them to report it to their audiences&#8211;if they thought that the news was worth more than the money they took to print it in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Hartle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Hartle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before addressing some of the issues involved in the debate, I think at the very least local government should have the OPTION of whether to publish public notices in print or on third-party, independent Web sites (and not on their own Web sites).

1) The issue of money: I get that newspapers are searching for sustainable revenue streams and fighting tooth and nail to maintain existing streams.

But newspapers also purportedly serve the public interest. And the public interest is to make sure government is operating as effectively and efficiently as possible. If that interest means governments should have the option of whether to post in print or online, they should have that option.

And it&#039;s hogwash that the money doesn&#039;t matter to either the government or the media company seeking the ability to run public notices. If you&#039;ve got a town of 5,000 people, the municipal budget might stand around $4 million - two percent of that is $80,000. Even a town with a $1 million budget might spend at least $10,000 annually in public notices, according to Tonda&#039;s figures.

That $80,000 (or even $10,000) is a significant amount for both the government and the media company.

3) On the issue of you can&#039;t trust the man: This is significantly more complicated than just pointing out who does what. It&#039;s an issue of influence.

What influence does the government have over a &quot;independent&quot; publication that might live and die on that $80,000 in revenue from public notices? Is that publication going to tread carefully on governmental issues to avoid jeopardizing that contract and thus, its existence?

Anecdotally, I&#039;ve seen instances where the government just avoids the issue altogether and has one of its cronies create a print publication and sends all the public notices there.

All of these points, and the points made in the piece, don&#039;t point to having public notices in just print or just online.

What it points to is that local governments should have the option.

But press associations across the country don&#039;t seem to keen on even allowing the option to be available.

And not having the option is something the public should notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before addressing some of the issues involved in the debate, I think at the very least local government should have the OPTION of whether to publish public notices in print or on third-party, independent Web sites (and not on their own Web sites).</p>
<p>1) The issue of money: I get that newspapers are searching for sustainable revenue streams and fighting tooth and nail to maintain existing streams.</p>
<p>But newspapers also purportedly serve the public interest. And the public interest is to make sure government is operating as effectively and efficiently as possible. If that interest means governments should have the option of whether to post in print or online, they should have that option.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s hogwash that the money doesn&#8217;t matter to either the government or the media company seeking the ability to run public notices. If you&#8217;ve got a town of 5,000 people, the municipal budget might stand around $4 million &#8211; two percent of that is $80,000. Even a town with a $1 million budget might spend at least $10,000 annually in public notices, according to Tonda&#8217;s figures.</p>
<p>That $80,000 (or even $10,000) is a significant amount for both the government and the media company.</p>
<p>3) On the issue of you can&#8217;t trust the man: This is significantly more complicated than just pointing out who does what. It&#8217;s an issue of influence.</p>
<p>What influence does the government have over a &#8220;independent&#8221; publication that might live and die on that $80,000 in revenue from public notices? Is that publication going to tread carefully on governmental issues to avoid jeopardizing that contract and thus, its existence?</p>
<p>Anecdotally, I&#8217;ve seen instances where the government just avoids the issue altogether and has one of its cronies create a print publication and sends all the public notices there.</p>
<p>All of these points, and the points made in the piece, don&#8217;t point to having public notices in just print or just online.</p>
<p>What it points to is that local governments should have the option.</p>
<p>But press associations across the country don&#8217;t seem to keen on even allowing the option to be available.</p>
<p>And not having the option is something the public should notice.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Fry</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/02/should-the-government-be-spending-tax-dollars-printing-tiny-type-in-newspapers-the-arguments-in-favor/comment-page-1/#comment-74180</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Fry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first argument basically says that a small cost-savings isn&#039;t worth pursuing because it&#039;s small.

The second argument pretty much ignores every technological innovation that&#039;s come down the pike since about 1995. 

The third argument is, to be blunt, insane.

Our industry is in enough trouble as it is. Now we&#039;re going to ask the government to help us out by continuing to do things in a backwards way that doesn&#039;t serve the public? Great plan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first argument basically says that a small cost-savings isn&#8217;t worth pursuing because it&#8217;s small.</p>
<p>The second argument pretty much ignores every technological innovation that&#8217;s come down the pike since about 1995. </p>
<p>The third argument is, to be blunt, insane.</p>
<p>Our industry is in enough trouble as it is. Now we&#8217;re going to ask the government to help us out by continuing to do things in a backwards way that doesn&#8217;t serve the public? Great plan!</p>
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