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		<title>By: A few words from our panelists &#171; The Hyperlocalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>A few words from our panelists &#171; The Hyperlocalist</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] site in her state capital. But grants are tough to score and corporate donations have the potential to taint her organization&#8217;s objectivity, she told me. On top of that, the nature of investigative news calls for long-form and serial [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] site in her state capital. But grants are tough to score and corporate donations have the potential to taint her organization&#8217;s objectivity, she told me. On top of that, the nature of investigative news calls for long-form and serial [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What makes a nonprofit news org &#8220;legit&#8221;? Here&#8217;s one six-fold path » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>What makes a nonprofit news org &#8220;legit&#8221;? Here&#8217;s one six-fold path » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in February, I posted an essay in this space posing the question: What makes a nonprofit news organization legitimate? It&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Len Downie: For-profit news orgs won&#8217;t create enough journalism » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Len Downie: For-profit news orgs won&#8217;t create enough journalism » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] said he also has been watching nonprofits wrestle with the issue of credibility &#8212; how to achieve it and how to keep [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Monday Mashup – Human Journalism &#124; LunarTravel.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monday Mashup – Human Journalism &#124; LunarTravel.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rosen writes:  These thoughts grew from a comment thread at Nieman Lab. The post in question was titled: The news Good Housekeeping seal: What makes a nonprofit outlet [...]</description>
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		<title>By: This Week in Review: Surveying the online news scene, web-first mags, and Facebook patents its feed &#124; Mark Coddington</title>
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		<dc:creator>This Week in Review: Surveying the online news scene, web-first mags, and Facebook patents its feed &#124; Mark Coddington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Lab’s resident nonprofit guru Jim Barnett published a set of criteria for determining whether a nonprofit journalism outfit is legitimate. Jay Rosen objected to the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: What makes a nonprofit news org legit? Three other questions to separate journalism from advocacy » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>What makes a nonprofit news org legit? Three other questions to separate journalism from advocacy » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week, Jim Barnett raised a question about nonprofit journalism: What makes it legit? How do we know if a nonprofit news outlet shares the ideals and culture of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: This Week in Review: Surveying the online news scene, web-first mags, and Facebook patents its feed » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>This Week in Review: Surveying the online news scene, web-first mags, and Facebook patents its feed » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Lab&#8217;s resident nonprofit guru Jim Barnett published a set of criteria for determining whether a nonprofit journalism outfit is legitimate. Jay Rosen objected to the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: cas127</title>
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		<dc:creator>cas127</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What Makes A Nonprofit Outfit Legit?&quot;

Short answer: Purchased political cover.

I suggest you cross the Yard and have a discussion with the essentially untaxed $25 billion Harvard Endowment.

Public goods indeed.</description>
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<p>Short answer: Purchased political cover.</p>
<p>I suggest you cross the Yard and have a discussion with the essentially untaxed $25 billion Harvard Endowment.</p>
<p>Public goods indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret Wolf Freivogel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret Wolf Freivogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 03:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen Ward, Andy Hall, Brant Houston and I (representing the St. Louis Beacon) were among those involved recently in a day-long discussion on some of these same issues at the University of Wisconsin. That was a prelude to further discussion this spring on ethics in new media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Ward, Andy Hall, Brant Houston and I (representing the St. Louis Beacon) were among those involved recently in a day-long discussion on some of these same issues at the University of Wisconsin. That was a prelude to further discussion this spring on ethics in new media.</p>
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		<title>By: C.W. Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.W. Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay- Very well said.</description>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 04:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know many people love that Potter Stewart quote but I don&#039;t see much of a difference between, &quot;I know it when I see it,&quot; and &quot;Actually, I haven&#039;t a clue.&quot;  

&lt;em&gt;What would you say are some easily discernable, objective criteria to gauge legitimacy?&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;d start with the will to &lt;strong&gt;veracity&lt;/strong&gt;, also known as truthtelling. Truthtelling even when it hurts or causes problems for your friends. Real journalists tell us what happened because it actually happened that way, and not some other way. All forms of legitimacy derive from this one.

Then I&#039;d move on to a manifest concern for &lt;strong&gt;accuracy&lt;/strong&gt;, as in getting it right and correcting it when wrong.

Third pillar: &lt;strong&gt;transparency&lt;/strong&gt;, also called disclosure, so we know where you&#039;re coming from and what your stake is in the matter under review, if any.

&lt;strong&gt;Intellectual honesty&lt;/strong&gt;: like when you paraphrase what Senator Brown says it actually does capture what Senator Brown says. This is sometimes called &quot;fairness,&quot; but I think my term is more descriptive.

&lt;strong&gt;Currency&lt;/strong&gt;, in the sense that you are trying to report what happened recently, to keep up with events and what is known now. Journalism is about the present, not what was true six months or six years ago. Legitimacy in journalism has something to do with a determination to keep us up to date with a shifting world.

&lt;strong&gt;Inquiry&lt;/strong&gt;: not the perfect word but the closest fit I can find. I refer to the drive to find out, to inquire and reveal more than what lies on the surface. We all know of situations in which the person in question didn&#039;t lie but also didn&#039;t try... to find out. That&#039;s what I mean by inquiry: trying to find out. Journalism, to be journalism, must do that.

&lt;strong&gt;Utility&lt;/strong&gt;, sometimes called by another name: public service. Journalists can get into legitimacy problems when they are trying to find out, but finding out serves no public purpose. Their legitimacy is clearest when the public interest is served by what they are striving to reveal to us. 

Veracity, accuracy, transparency, intellectual honesty, currency, inquiry, utility.  That&#039;s where I would start in attempting to define legitimacy in journalism. Providers of news, information and commentary who devote themselves to those seven things are solid citizens of Legit-a-land.

I have to add one more, but you will probably hate me for it because it will strike you as jargon, and all journalists claim to hate jargon (but &quot;lede&quot; is okay, right?) Anyway, my eighth pillar of legitimacy is polyphonicity. &lt;em&gt;I know: awful term!&lt;/em&gt; It means &quot;more than one sound.&quot;

Journalism to be fully legitimate needs to present a plurality of voices, not just one.  I don&#039;t mean to invoke the gods of balance. They are false gods. I mean to suggest that journalism isn&#039;t a monologue. More than one person speaks in it. More than one angle is taken on the object.

Now I am sure you noticed that among my eight key terms for determining legitimacy in journalism one does not find such things as: objectivity, professionalism, &quot;code of ethics,&quot; balance, getting paid, being incorporated as a commercial business, working full time at newsgathering, eschewing opinion, bearing a press pass, or getting certified by the (journalistic) powers that be.

These are shortcuts, and taking shortcuts is not legitimate!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know many people love that Potter Stewart quote but I don&#8217;t see much of a difference between, &#8220;I know it when I see it,&#8221; and &#8220;Actually, I haven&#8217;t a clue.&#8221;  </p>
<p><em>What would you say are some easily discernable, objective criteria to gauge legitimacy?</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;d start with the will to <strong>veracity</strong>, also known as truthtelling. Truthtelling even when it hurts or causes problems for your friends. Real journalists tell us what happened because it actually happened that way, and not some other way. All forms of legitimacy derive from this one.</p>
<p>Then I&#8217;d move on to a manifest concern for <strong>accuracy</strong>, as in getting it right and correcting it when wrong.</p>
<p>Third pillar: <strong>transparency</strong>, also called disclosure, so we know where you&#8217;re coming from and what your stake is in the matter under review, if any.</p>
<p><strong>Intellectual honesty</strong>: like when you paraphrase what Senator Brown says it actually does capture what Senator Brown says. This is sometimes called &#8220;fairness,&#8221; but I think my term is more descriptive.</p>
<p><strong>Currency</strong>, in the sense that you are trying to report what happened recently, to keep up with events and what is known now. Journalism is about the present, not what was true six months or six years ago. Legitimacy in journalism has something to do with a determination to keep us up to date with a shifting world.</p>
<p><strong>Inquiry</strong>: not the perfect word but the closest fit I can find. I refer to the drive to find out, to inquire and reveal more than what lies on the surface. We all know of situations in which the person in question didn&#8217;t lie but also didn&#8217;t try&#8230; to find out. That&#8217;s what I mean by inquiry: trying to find out. Journalism, to be journalism, must do that.</p>
<p><strong>Utility</strong>, sometimes called by another name: public service. Journalists can get into legitimacy problems when they are trying to find out, but finding out serves no public purpose. Their legitimacy is clearest when the public interest is served by what they are striving to reveal to us. </p>
<p>Veracity, accuracy, transparency, intellectual honesty, currency, inquiry, utility.  That&#8217;s where I would start in attempting to define legitimacy in journalism. Providers of news, information and commentary who devote themselves to those seven things are solid citizens of Legit-a-land.</p>
<p>I have to add one more, but you will probably hate me for it because it will strike you as jargon, and all journalists claim to hate jargon (but &#8220;lede&#8221; is okay, right?) Anyway, my eighth pillar of legitimacy is polyphonicity. <em>I know: awful term!</em> It means &#8220;more than one sound.&#8221;</p>
<p>Journalism to be fully legitimate needs to present a plurality of voices, not just one.  I don&#8217;t mean to invoke the gods of balance. They are false gods. I mean to suggest that journalism isn&#8217;t a monologue. More than one person speaks in it. More than one angle is taken on the object.</p>
<p>Now I am sure you noticed that among my eight key terms for determining legitimacy in journalism one does not find such things as: objectivity, professionalism, &#8220;code of ethics,&#8221; balance, getting paid, being incorporated as a commercial business, working full time at newsgathering, eschewing opinion, bearing a press pass, or getting certified by the (journalistic) powers that be.</p>
<p>These are shortcuts, and taking shortcuts is not legitimate!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 23:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Jay -- 

Thanks for the thoughtful comment. But hey, help a fellow. What would you say are some easily discernable, objective criteria to gauge legitimacy? How would you get past the Potter Stewart test?

Thanks,

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Jay &#8212; </p>
<p>Thanks for the thoughtful comment. But hey, help a fellow. What would you say are some easily discernable, objective criteria to gauge legitimacy? How would you get past the Potter Stewart test?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Fons Tuinstra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fons Tuinstra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you did a nice effort to get a start on standards for the US. Not surprisingly considering your constituency.
Now, I&#039;m trying to set up a news section for a global portal on salaries, now active in 46 countries and based in Europe. It might be obvious that many of your suggestions do not work outside the US, while it would be useful to formulate perhaps also a set of criteria with a less US-based slant, since many more or struggling with similar issues outside the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you did a nice effort to get a start on standards for the US. Not surprisingly considering your constituency.<br />
Now, I&#8217;m trying to set up a news section for a global portal on salaries, now active in 46 countries and based in Europe. It might be obvious that many of your suggestions do not work outside the US, while it would be useful to formulate perhaps also a set of criteria with a less US-based slant, since many more or struggling with similar issues outside the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Mayhill Fowler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mayhill Fowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 01:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would any reader of a blog like this one assume that the news articles coming directly from a NGO like Human Rights Watch are journalism? For the larger world of non-profits, isn&#039;t there an epistemological argument that the very nature of &quot;non&quot; narrows the lens of inquiry? For my part,I have never met any director of any non-profit who did not have an agenda.  The few real journalists I have met are skeptics of the first order.  Or they are Socratic teachers like Jay Rosen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would any reader of a blog like this one assume that the news articles coming directly from a NGO like Human Rights Watch are journalism? For the larger world of non-profits, isn&#8217;t there an epistemological argument that the very nature of &#8220;non&#8221; narrows the lens of inquiry? For my part,I have never met any director of any non-profit who did not have an agenda.  The few real journalists I have met are skeptics of the first order.  Or they are Socratic teachers like Jay Rosen.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim: I was mostly with you until the end.  Then I departed completely from your judgment.

First, I don&#039;t think &quot;professionalism&quot; is a feature of legitimacy at all.  We could say it&#039;s one way of attempting to secure legitimacy, but the equation: professional news person = legitimate provider of news does not work at all. Nor does the reverse: you&#039;re legit &lt;i&gt;if&lt;/i&gt; you&#039;re recognizably a professional.

Other than Jayson Blair, is there anyone associated with the New York Times who undermined its legitimacy more than Judith Miller? I can&#039;t think of anyone. And yet after the revelations of what she did in the Plame case came out, the Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ) &lt;a href=&quot;http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2005/11/05/jd_spjm.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gave her a First Amendment award&lt;/a&gt;. Her lack of legitimacy spread to the society. Are you aware what percentage of SPJ members are in fact public relations people? If you find out, you might be more circumspect.

Submitting for prizes guarantees nothing. They do not belong on your list at all. Nor do credentials.  Check out the way the professionals in charge of granting press credentials behave when it comes to getting new providers into the Senate press gallery in DC.  If you look into it, you&#039;ll discover thin to zero legitimacy, but a lot of behavior that is typical of professionals. Is the &lt;a href=&quot;http://washingtonindependent.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Washington Independent&lt;/a&gt; a legitimate news provider?  I bet if you looked at it you&#039;d say yes. Find out if they can get credentials. 

I think you need to separate two things that your list mixes up-- consensus practices and legitimacy.  It&#039;s possible for consensus practices to lack legitimacy and yet remain consensus practices. An example from pro journalism would be: you don&#039;t investigate who my confidential sources are and I won&#039;t investigate yours... deal? Another might be pack journalism.  I would argue that not linking to sources you are drawing from and mentioning lacks legitimacy but it&#039;s a consensus practice. By the way, you won&#039;t find anything about that in the SPJ code.

Attempting to ground sourcing practices in principles of legitimacy, The New York Times has introduced a rule for itself: you can&#039;t attack or lob criticism at another person and remain an anonymous source in the news columns of the New York Times. The rule is very commonly violated by the Times own people because the practice is stronger than the principle of legitimacy the rule appeals to. The public editor has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/22/opinion/22pubed.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;written&lt;/a&gt; about it.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim: I was mostly with you until the end.  Then I departed completely from your judgment.</p>
<p>First, I don&#8217;t think &#8220;professionalism&#8221; is a feature of legitimacy at all.  We could say it&#8217;s one way of attempting to secure legitimacy, but the equation: professional news person = legitimate provider of news does not work at all. Nor does the reverse: you&#8217;re legit <i>if</i> you&#8217;re recognizably a professional.</p>
<p>Other than Jayson Blair, is there anyone associated with the New York Times who undermined its legitimacy more than Judith Miller? I can&#8217;t think of anyone. And yet after the revelations of what she did in the Plame case came out, the Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ) <a href="http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2005/11/05/jd_spjm.html" rel="nofollow">gave her a First Amendment award</a>. Her lack of legitimacy spread to the society. Are you aware what percentage of SPJ members are in fact public relations people? If you find out, you might be more circumspect.</p>
<p>Submitting for prizes guarantees nothing. They do not belong on your list at all. Nor do credentials.  Check out the way the professionals in charge of granting press credentials behave when it comes to getting new providers into the Senate press gallery in DC.  If you look into it, you&#8217;ll discover thin to zero legitimacy, but a lot of behavior that is typical of professionals. Is the <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/" rel="nofollow">Washington Independent</a> a legitimate news provider?  I bet if you looked at it you&#8217;d say yes. Find out if they can get credentials. </p>
<p>I think you need to separate two things that your list mixes up&#8211; consensus practices and legitimacy.  It&#8217;s possible for consensus practices to lack legitimacy and yet remain consensus practices. An example from pro journalism would be: you don&#8217;t investigate who my confidential sources are and I won&#8217;t investigate yours&#8230; deal? Another might be pack journalism.  I would argue that not linking to sources you are drawing from and mentioning lacks legitimacy but it&#8217;s a consensus practice. By the way, you won&#8217;t find anything about that in the SPJ code.</p>
<p>Attempting to ground sourcing practices in principles of legitimacy, The New York Times has introduced a rule for itself: you can&#8217;t attack or lob criticism at another person and remain an anonymous source in the news columns of the New York Times. The rule is very commonly violated by the Times own people because the practice is stronger than the principle of legitimacy the rule appeals to. The public editor has <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/22/opinion/22pubed.html" rel="nofollow">written</a> about it.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the effort to come to grips with what &quot;journalism&quot; is. The article seems aimed at large-scale reporting groups rather than the one or two journalist shops that are starting to pop up. For small operations, the last two items are either  frivolous (entering journalism contests?) or just wrong (government press credentials). They are barriers to entry into the world of responsible journalism not standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the effort to come to grips with what &#8220;journalism&#8221; is. The article seems aimed at large-scale reporting groups rather than the one or two journalist shops that are starting to pop up. For small operations, the last two items are either  frivolous (entering journalism contests?) or just wrong (government press credentials). They are barriers to entry into the world of responsible journalism not standards.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love it - &#039;cept for one. 

How bout 12 not 13? 

Never have trusted press credentialing. 

Maybe that&#039;s jus me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love it &#8211; &#8216;cept for one. </p>
<p>How bout 12 not 13? </p>
<p>Never have trusted press credentialing. </p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s jus me.</p>
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