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		<title>By: Mandiquita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandiquita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now there&#039;s a new &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chatroulette20.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chatroulette&lt;/a&gt; 2.0&lt;/b&gt;, With a lot of options to have fun.</description>
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		<title>By: Thoughts on Discourse and Technology &#124; Josh Braun&#39;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thoughts on Discourse and Technology &#124; Josh Braun&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to others who are operating within a different discursive community. That’s not to make another lamentation of “cyber-balkanization” or another call for the return of the “mass public sphere” where [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Blood libel&#8221;: How language evolves and spreads within online worlds &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab &#187; Pushing to the Future of Journalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Blood libel&#8221;: How language evolves and spreads within online worlds &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab &#187; Pushing to the Future of Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] others who are operating within a different discursive community. That&#8217;s not to make another lamentation of &#8220;cyber-balkanization&#8221; or another call for the return of the &#8220;mass public [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Google News experiments with human control, promotes a new serendipity with Editors&#8217; Pick » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google News experiments with human control, promotes a new serendipity with Editors&#8217; Pick » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that would give readers important but surprising information? And how, increasingly, many news thinkers have come to believe that systematizing serendipity is not so much a contradiction as a democratic [...]</description>
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		<title>By: This Week in Review: The iPad’s skeptics, Murdoch’s first paywall move and a ‘Chatroulette for news’ &#124; Mark Coddington</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/03/what-would-it-take-to-build-a-true-serendipity-maker/comment-page-1/#comment-111805</link>
		<dc:creator>This Week in Review: The iPad’s skeptics, Murdoch’s first paywall move and a ‘Chatroulette for news’ &#124; Mark Coddington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 21:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] two CUNY j-profs about the concept of serendipity and the news. Here at the Lab, C.W. Anderson argued that true serendipity involves coming across perspectives you don&#8217;t agree with, and asked how [...]</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pigsaw Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bookmarks for 7 Apr 2010</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pigsaw Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bookmarks for 7 Apr 2010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 22:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What would it take to build a true &#8220;serendipity-maker&#8221;? &#187; Nieman Journalism LabGoodness, that Random Guardian has gone far (part 2 of several): &quot;For the last 24 hours or so, the Twitter-sphere has been buzzing over Daniel Vydra&#8217;s &#8220;serendipity maker,&#8221; an off-the-cuff Python hack that draws on the APIs of the Guardian, New York Times, and Australian Broadcasting Corp. in order to create a series of &#8220;news roulettes.&#8221;&quot; (serendipity guardian newspapers ) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What would it take to build a true &ldquo;serendipity-maker&rdquo;? &raquo; Nieman Journalism LabGoodness, that Random Guardian has gone far (part 2 of several): &quot;For the last 24 hours or so, the Twitter-sphere has been buzzing over Daniel Vydra&rsquo;s &ldquo;serendipity maker,&rdquo; an off-the-cuff Python hack that draws on the APIs of the Guardian, New York Times, and Australian Broadcasting Corp. in order to create a series of &ldquo;news roulettes.&rdquo;&quot; (serendipity guardian newspapers ) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ChatRoulette for News &#171; The Media Mash-Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChatRoulette for News &#171; The Media Mash-Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  An assistant professor of Media Culture at CUNY, CW Anderson, wondered what would happen if we “created a ‘ChatRoulette for news’ –  that generated content we tended to disagree with — but was also targeted toward our [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  An assistant professor of Media Culture at CUNY, CW Anderson, wondered what would happen if we “created a ‘ChatRoulette for news’ –  that generated content we tended to disagree with — but was also targeted toward our [...]</p>
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		<title>By: This Week in Review: The iPad&#8217;s skeptics, Murdoch&#8217;s first paywall move and a &#8216;Chatroulette for news&#8217; » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/03/what-would-it-take-to-build-a-true-serendipity-maker/comment-page-1/#comment-96701</link>
		<dc:creator>This Week in Review: The iPad&#8217;s skeptics, Murdoch&#8217;s first paywall move and a &#8216;Chatroulette for news&#8217; » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from two CUNY j-profs about the concept of serendipity and the news. Here at the Lab, C.W. Anderson argued that true serendipity involves coming across perspectives you don&#8217;t agree with, and asked how [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Terry Heaton’s PoMo Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The matter of serendipity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Heaton’s PoMo Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The matter of serendipity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What is serendipity? It’s not a story from left field. It’s not, I think, “the opposite of what you normally consumed.” There’s a reason we find value in the supposedly serendipitous. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What is serendipity? It’s not a story from left field. It’s not, I think, “the opposite of what you normally consumed.” There’s a reason we find value in the supposedly serendipitous. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Serendipity is unexpected relevance &#171; BuzzMachine</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/03/what-would-it-take-to-build-a-true-serendipity-maker/comment-page-1/#comment-95934</link>
		<dc:creator>Serendipity is unexpected relevance &#171; BuzzMachine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 01:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is serendipity? It&#8217;s not a story from left field. It&#8217;s not, I think, &#8220;the opposite of what you normally consumed.&#8221; There&#8217;s a reason we find value in the supposedly [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Stray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Stray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Eat your vegetables&quot; is obnoxious. I&#039;d rather simply know what other points of view are out there. Where are they, what are they, how many people are there?

This is why I want to make maps of global news output: real-time visualizations of every article recently produced, clustered by links or co-consumption. Then mark the articles that I&#039;ve read in a different color -- a &quot;you are here&quot; marker. 

I bet most people would see that they never leave their home town in information space. Call it a curiosity generator, just like a map of the world.

I developed this idea in some detail in a 2009 post, &lt;a href=&quot;http://jonathanstray.com/mapping-the-daily-me&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Mapping the Daily Me.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Eat your vegetables&#8221; is obnoxious. I&#8217;d rather simply know what other points of view are out there. Where are they, what are they, how many people are there?</p>
<p>This is why I want to make maps of global news output: real-time visualizations of every article recently produced, clustered by links or co-consumption. Then mark the articles that I&#8217;ve read in a different color &#8212; a &#8220;you are here&#8221; marker. </p>
<p>I bet most people would see that they never leave their home town in information space. Call it a curiosity generator, just like a map of the world.</p>
<p>I developed this idea in some detail in a 2009 post, <a href="http://jonathanstray.com/mapping-the-daily-me" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Mapping the Daily Me.&#8221;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Seth Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Chris ... and interesting ideas all around!

Perhaps one way to look at this is to pose the question: Can the Web be semantic and serendipitous at the same time?

That is, on the one hand we want a system that knows us: our interests, our browsing history, our likes and dislikes. But on the other, the engine has to be unpredictable enough that it gives us a sprinkling of *good material* that we might not otherwise have found. (I put emphasis on &quot;good&quot; because, as Howard Owens pointed out above, randomness does not equal &quot;news serendipity,&quot; which in the traditional sense implies some kind of vetting for quality, making the newspaper, for example, a serendipitous assortment of reasonably good stuff.)

As others have mentioned, I have problems with the false binaries associated with &quot;give me the opposite&quot; kind of serendipitous news. But, at the same time, what I *would* like to see is a function for getting stories that really explain where other sides are coming from on an issue. Take the Tea Party, for example. If I&#039;m anti-Tea Party, don&#039;t just give me a story that&#039;s sympathetic to its anti-government rhetoric. Instead, give me an &quot;explainer&quot; that helps me come to understand *why* Tea Partiers feel the way they do -- not simply the *what* that is usually what you find in news stories (e.g., images of protest, soundbite claims, etc.).

As Matt Thompson&#039;s SXSW panel talked about, the Web can do so much more in giving us the crucial context to make sense of our world. Why not build a system that does both -- that is explanatory and &quot;multiperspectival&quot; (as Gans put it)? Rather than just get the headline version of &quot;the other side(s)&quot; to the story, let&#039;s see if we can&#039;t gain a better appreciation in the process about where they&#039;re coming from.

We can imagine, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Chris &#8230; and interesting ideas all around!</p>
<p>Perhaps one way to look at this is to pose the question: Can the Web be semantic and serendipitous at the same time?</p>
<p>That is, on the one hand we want a system that knows us: our interests, our browsing history, our likes and dislikes. But on the other, the engine has to be unpredictable enough that it gives us a sprinkling of *good material* that we might not otherwise have found. (I put emphasis on &#8220;good&#8221; because, as Howard Owens pointed out above, randomness does not equal &#8220;news serendipity,&#8221; which in the traditional sense implies some kind of vetting for quality, making the newspaper, for example, a serendipitous assortment of reasonably good stuff.)</p>
<p>As others have mentioned, I have problems with the false binaries associated with &#8220;give me the opposite&#8221; kind of serendipitous news. But, at the same time, what I *would* like to see is a function for getting stories that really explain where other sides are coming from on an issue. Take the Tea Party, for example. If I&#8217;m anti-Tea Party, don&#8217;t just give me a story that&#8217;s sympathetic to its anti-government rhetoric. Instead, give me an &#8220;explainer&#8221; that helps me come to understand *why* Tea Partiers feel the way they do &#8212; not simply the *what* that is usually what you find in news stories (e.g., images of protest, soundbite claims, etc.).</p>
<p>As Matt Thompson&#8217;s SXSW panel talked about, the Web can do so much more in giving us the crucial context to make sense of our world. Why not build a system that does both &#8212; that is explanatory and &#8220;multiperspectival&#8221; (as Gans put it)? Rather than just get the headline version of &#8220;the other side(s)&#8221; to the story, let&#8217;s see if we can&#8217;t gain a better appreciation in the process about where they&#8217;re coming from.</p>
<p>We can imagine, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Google Reader&#039;s play function? I&#039;ve been messing about using that for a couple of days and it is quite fun. I assume it works by analysing the feeds you&#039;re already subscribed to and working out what other people who subscribe to those feeds also read and taking bits and pieces from that.

But you can also create bundles of feeds on Google Reader to subscribe to with a single click. So what if you get your conservative/old/different in whatever way friend to make a bundle and run it through the Play filter?

Perhaps a bit long winded but it might work quite well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Google Reader&#8217;s play function? I&#8217;ve been messing about using that for a couple of days and it is quite fun. I assume it works by analysing the feeds you&#8217;re already subscribed to and working out what other people who subscribe to those feeds also read and taking bits and pieces from that.</p>
<p>But you can also create bundles of feeds on Google Reader to subscribe to with a single click. So what if you get your conservative/old/different in whatever way friend to make a bundle and run it through the Play filter?</p>
<p>Perhaps a bit long winded but it might work quite well.</p>
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		<title>By: What Would it Take to Build a True “Serendipity-Maker”? &#124; C.W. Anderson &#124; Voices &#124; AllThingsD</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Would it Take to Build a True “Serendipity-Maker”? &#124; C.W. Anderson &#124; Voices &#124; AllThingsD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tim Maly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Maly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 03:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you want in the serendipity engine is something that gives you a mixture of high quality content that you agree with and high quality content that you are likely to find challenging and new. But in both cases we want it to be high quality.

So we want a system that builds a profile of you and what you like a-la SumbleUpon but also builds a profile of who your opposite is. And then every X links it drops something that your nemesis might really enjoy. Your nemesis is not your opposite, just someone like you in most ways but very different in a few critical (in this case political) ways.

Another option would be a system like that described in the UltraGleeper paper: http://www.crummy.com/software/UltraGleeper/IntroPaper.html

Specifically the Indie Rock Peter Principle that&#039;s described where certain attributes when they pass a threshold of agreement begin to decrease the score of something. In the paper it&#039;s used to avoid showing you obvious links but it could similarly be used to avoid preaching to the choir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you want in the serendipity engine is something that gives you a mixture of high quality content that you agree with and high quality content that you are likely to find challenging and new. But in both cases we want it to be high quality.</p>
<p>So we want a system that builds a profile of you and what you like a-la SumbleUpon but also builds a profile of who your opposite is. And then every X links it drops something that your nemesis might really enjoy. Your nemesis is not your opposite, just someone like you in most ways but very different in a few critical (in this case political) ways.</p>
<p>Another option would be a system like that described in the UltraGleeper paper: <a href="http://www.crummy.com/software/UltraGleeper/IntroPaper.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.crummy.com/software/UltraGleeper/IntroPaper.html</a></p>
<p>Specifically the Indie Rock Peter Principle that&#8217;s described where certain attributes when they pass a threshold of agreement begin to decrease the score of something. In the paper it&#8217;s used to avoid showing you obvious links but it could similarly be used to avoid preaching to the choir.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 23:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating idea. Suppose this opposition news tool were to exist (the software core is no doubt close to what operates data visualization software), and that it were made available for wide distribution, what interests me would be this question: Which news consumer groups would tend to use it most? Who is most comfortable with opposition?

My hunch is that what we would find is also my own critical comment on the project: my guess is no one political leaning would be better suited than another. Moreover that binary oppositions would start to break down through a meta-level analysis of what attitudes we harbor toward opposition news. 

To the point, namely that there are, obviously, multiple parties and perspectives at play around every news event. I am not sure an opposition news tool is really what we want. We may want a serendipity news tool that exposes the reader not only to the opposite viewpoint, which may be inferred anyways, but to wholly fresh, third, fourth, or fifth points of view. Two-party oppositions do not recognize the Archimedean point from which the opposition itself begins to make sense.

Two cheers for deliberate serendipity, and only one for seeing only the other side. From a technical point of view, neither seem in the slightest impossible. If anything, in fact, &quot;not what I expect&quot; is probably much easier to produce than &quot;the opposite of what I want.&quot; 

Hope to hear more about this. Very promising kernel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating idea. Suppose this opposition news tool were to exist (the software core is no doubt close to what operates data visualization software), and that it were made available for wide distribution, what interests me would be this question: Which news consumer groups would tend to use it most? Who is most comfortable with opposition?</p>
<p>My hunch is that what we would find is also my own critical comment on the project: my guess is no one political leaning would be better suited than another. Moreover that binary oppositions would start to break down through a meta-level analysis of what attitudes we harbor toward opposition news. </p>
<p>To the point, namely that there are, obviously, multiple parties and perspectives at play around every news event. I am not sure an opposition news tool is really what we want. We may want a serendipity news tool that exposes the reader not only to the opposite viewpoint, which may be inferred anyways, but to wholly fresh, third, fourth, or fifth points of view. Two-party oppositions do not recognize the Archimedean point from which the opposition itself begins to make sense.</p>
<p>Two cheers for deliberate serendipity, and only one for seeing only the other side. From a technical point of view, neither seem in the slightest impossible. If anything, in fact, &#8220;not what I expect&#8221; is probably much easier to produce than &#8220;the opposite of what I want.&#8221; </p>
<p>Hope to hear more about this. Very promising kernel.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Weaver</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/03/what-would-it-take-to-build-a-true-serendipity-maker/comment-page-1/#comment-95303</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There may be value in a random selection of news, entertainment value perhaps. But it certainly is not the same value people describe when speaking of the serendipity of news.

Serendipity ≠ random.

For serendipitous news to have value it needs to delight and engage readers with information that otherwise wouldn&#039;t have encountered. That takes more than algorithmic randomness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There may be value in a random selection of news, entertainment value perhaps. But it certainly is not the same value people describe when speaking of the serendipity of news.</p>
<p>Serendipity ≠ random.</p>
<p>For serendipitous news to have value it needs to delight and engage readers with information that otherwise wouldn&#8217;t have encountered. That takes more than algorithmic randomness.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Flora</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/03/what-would-it-take-to-build-a-true-serendipity-maker/comment-page-1/#comment-95290</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Flora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I question the premise that ChatRoulette is offering content that people &quot;tend to disagree with.&quot;

ChatRoulette is offering an experience that millions of people want, the chance to run into someone whose views or actions you cannot publicly endorse despite being very interested in them.  ChatRoulette&#039;s randomness takes all the blame off your shoulders.  If you land on a naked dude, you can blame ChatRoulette, not yourself, but rest assured, you knew there were naked dudes on ChatRoulette.

It&#039;s also a lot of fun and something to do with friends.

I don&#039;t see how this translates to news. To echo Susannah, above, this sounds kind of boring and &quot;eat your vegetables-y.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I question the premise that ChatRoulette is offering content that people &#8220;tend to disagree with.&#8221;</p>
<p>ChatRoulette is offering an experience that millions of people want, the chance to run into someone whose views or actions you cannot publicly endorse despite being very interested in them.  ChatRoulette&#8217;s randomness takes all the blame off your shoulders.  If you land on a naked dude, you can blame ChatRoulette, not yourself, but rest assured, you knew there were naked dudes on ChatRoulette.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also a lot of fun and something to do with friends.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how this translates to news. To echo Susannah, above, this sounds kind of boring and &#8220;eat your vegetables-y.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Fink</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/03/what-would-it-take-to-build-a-true-serendipity-maker/comment-page-1/#comment-95283</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Fink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Susannah that it should be more random… better to read with an open mind rather than one that’s already thinking, “I’m going to hate this.”  Also, I agree that the idea of finding an “opposite” story is artificial… and I’m worried this kind of model would only appeal to people who see stories as just two-sided.

I like the Guardian model in that it’s random but also limited (by what’s in that paper).  I think a ChatRoulette for news would be great if it would allow users to set some parameters (maybe dates, subjects, places?) that are specific enough to generate interest, but still broad enough to allow for surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Susannah that it should be more random… better to read with an open mind rather than one that’s already thinking, “I’m going to hate this.”  Also, I agree that the idea of finding an “opposite” story is artificial… and I’m worried this kind of model would only appeal to people who see stories as just two-sided.</p>
<p>I like the Guardian model in that it’s random but also limited (by what’s in that paper).  I think a ChatRoulette for news would be great if it would allow users to set some parameters (maybe dates, subjects, places?) that are specific enough to generate interest, but still broad enough to allow for surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramana Rao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramana Rao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;beauty of the web&quot; may not be exactly that it &quot;directs you to ever more finely grained content which is exactly what you want to read.&quot;  The web is based on human navigation as much as machine intelligence and by getting us to the right places with a coherence on their topics and themes we learn what our interests are, how to articulate them better, and best of all, ongoing navigation works even as our interests evolve.

If you include a variety of sources and filter topics based on current best search technology (no where near close to &quot;somehow knows what you wanted&quot;), you will naturally get serendipity and plenty of context in the content that matches.  So it&#039;s not as easy as you might think to isolate yourself i.e. I agree with your adjusted statement of &quot;highly theorized social problem.&quot;

We think we&#039;ve created a reasonable Pandora for News experience in our current service at http://www.icurrent.com.  And it doesn&#039;t seem creating insularity or losing serendipity will be problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;beauty of the web&#8221; may not be exactly that it &#8220;directs you to ever more finely grained content which is exactly what you want to read.&#8221;  The web is based on human navigation as much as machine intelligence and by getting us to the right places with a coherence on their topics and themes we learn what our interests are, how to articulate them better, and best of all, ongoing navigation works even as our interests evolve.</p>
<p>If you include a variety of sources and filter topics based on current best search technology (no where near close to &#8220;somehow knows what you wanted&#8221;), you will naturally get serendipity and plenty of context in the content that matches.  So it&#8217;s not as easy as you might think to isolate yourself i.e. I agree with your adjusted statement of &#8220;highly theorized social problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>We think we&#8217;ve created a reasonable Pandora for News experience in our current service at <a href="http://www.icurrent.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.icurrent.com</a>.  And it doesn&#8217;t seem creating insularity or losing serendipity will be problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Benton</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/03/what-would-it-take-to-build-a-true-serendipity-maker/comment-page-1/#comment-95269</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Benton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remain a big skeptic on the idea that the Internet is a serendipity inhibitor. I think it&#039;s the greatest serendipity machine known to man. Newspapers and broadcast media were pretty good at representing the world from the 45th to the 55th percentile (plus an added filter of upper-middle-class whiteness). My quotient of newly learned, previously unfamiliar information each day is, I dunno, a thousand times higher than it was when I was just reading a mediocre Gannett paper and watching Dan Rather at night?

My other concern is that serendipity debates tend to be reduced down to left-right debates. It&#039;s &quot;liberals should watch Fox&quot; and &quot;conservatives should read The Nation.&quot; I think that artificial dualism is one of the least appealing tropes of traditional journalism -- the idea that there are two sides to be represented in stories, or that the world can be nearly broken into &quot;Tea Party friendly&quot; and &quot;Tea Party unfriendly&quot; stories. I&#039;d argue that true serendipity comes from things that don&#039;t fall neatly into that rubric at all. The world isn&#039;t just about politics. If you read a lot of Dem-loving blogs and a lot of GOP-loving blogs, your news diet is still radically oversaturated with white college-educated DC men with bad hair and Model UN trophies back home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remain a big skeptic on the idea that the Internet is a serendipity inhibitor. I think it&#8217;s the greatest serendipity machine known to man. Newspapers and broadcast media were pretty good at representing the world from the 45th to the 55th percentile (plus an added filter of upper-middle-class whiteness). My quotient of newly learned, previously unfamiliar information each day is, I dunno, a thousand times higher than it was when I was just reading a mediocre Gannett paper and watching Dan Rather at night?</p>
<p>My other concern is that serendipity debates tend to be reduced down to left-right debates. It&#8217;s &#8220;liberals should watch Fox&#8221; and &#8220;conservatives should read The Nation.&#8221; I think that artificial dualism is one of the least appealing tropes of traditional journalism &#8212; the idea that there are two sides to be represented in stories, or that the world can be nearly broken into &#8220;Tea Party friendly&#8221; and &#8220;Tea Party unfriendly&#8221; stories. I&#8217;d argue that true serendipity comes from things that don&#8217;t fall neatly into that rubric at all. The world isn&#8217;t just about politics. If you read a lot of Dem-loving blogs and a lot of GOP-loving blogs, your news diet is still radically oversaturated with white college-educated DC men with bad hair and Model UN trophies back home.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Sholin</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/03/what-would-it-take-to-build-a-true-serendipity-maker/comment-page-1/#comment-95255</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Sholin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s go down this path for a moment.

Buttons on the toolbar = Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down, Random, and &quot;Make Me Uncomfortable.&quot; How does the system measure what makes you uncomfortable? Well, it can&#039;t just be based on everything you dislike. It&#039;s going to need more data than that.

Maybe instead of &quot;uncomfortable&quot; the action is &quot;show me the opposite of this,&quot; but that still assumes more variables than just thumbs will provide.

Maybe Facebook has enough data on us to build this? Who else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s go down this path for a moment.</p>
<p>Buttons on the toolbar = Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down, Random, and &#8220;Make Me Uncomfortable.&#8221; How does the system measure what makes you uncomfortable? Well, it can&#8217;t just be based on everything you dislike. It&#8217;s going to need more data than that.</p>
<p>Maybe instead of &#8220;uncomfortable&#8221; the action is &#8220;show me the opposite of this,&#8221; but that still assumes more variables than just thumbs will provide.</p>
<p>Maybe Facebook has enough data on us to build this? Who else?</p>
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		<title>By: Susannah Vila</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/03/what-would-it-take-to-build-a-true-serendipity-maker/comment-page-1/#comment-95252</link>
		<dc:creator>Susannah Vila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that the moment you start pushing an &quot;eat your vegetables&quot; type of application, in which you are encouraging people to consume that which they by definition won&#039;t enjoy, they&#039;ll probably stop using your tool.  Better to keep it random.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that the moment you start pushing an &#8220;eat your vegetables&#8221; type of application, in which you are encouraging people to consume that which they by definition won&#8217;t enjoy, they&#8217;ll probably stop using your tool.  Better to keep it random.</p>
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