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		<title>By: raju saju</title>
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		<dc:creator>raju saju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, well...what do we have here?  The porn industry asking for 
help??  First of all, I have a couple of questions and no, is not your 
sexual ambitions...

Did California tax you guys?  Because if they didn&#039;t, I&#039;ll be ticked 
off.  Second, Congress is not a place to look for &quot;pleasure&quot; is a place 
for business(at least, that&#039;s how is portrayed) .  And I don&#039;t know if 
they wanna pay you for...well, you know, this.

Boy, you guys sure are horny people...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, well&#8230;what do we have here?  The porn industry asking for<br />
help??  First of all, I have a couple of questions and no, is not your<br />
sexual ambitions&#8230;</p>
<p>Did California tax you guys?  Because if they didn&#8217;t, I&#8217;ll be ticked<br />
off.  Second, Congress is not a place to look for &#8220;pleasure&#8221; is a place<br />
for business(at least, that&#8217;s how is portrayed) .  And I don&#8217;t know if<br />
they wanna pay you for&#8230;well, you know, this.</p>
<p>Boy, you guys sure are horny people&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Perché la carta è meglio &#8211; Dying Paper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perché la carta è meglio &#8211; Dying Paper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 08:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dave Eggers in un elogio della carta, dei giornali fisici e cartacei, di ogni cosa che sia presente su carta stampata e non in rete. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Egger Loves Print &#171; Jaymenace&#39;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Egger Loves Print &#171; Jaymenace&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 01:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dave Eggers, an American writer, editor, and publisher, admires newspaper like no other. &#8220;I love print,&#8221; Dave Eggers kept repeating during the ASNE conference. &#8220;I just love the form.&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The joy of print &#124; Hoops&#39; Hundred</title>
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		<dc:creator>The joy of print &#124; Hoops&#39; Hundred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 22:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Author Dave Eggers turns to print, especially newspapers, because it&#039;s calming.&#160; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Print vs. Online: The Debate Continues (Nieman Journalism Lab) &#171; Bowdoin Daily Sun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Print vs. Online: The Debate Continues (Nieman Journalism Lab) &#171; Bowdoin Daily Sun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rudy</title>
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		<dc:creator>rudy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are enormously significant points that Eggers makes about the virtues of print.

What is needed is the combination of these virtues with the advantage of digital distribution.

The only one doing it so far is Kindle, whose inventor, Bezos, deliberately set out to duplicate the print experience in digital form.

The ballyhooed iPad merely perpetuates the problem of &quot;perpetual ADD.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are enormously significant points that Eggers makes about the virtues of print.</p>
<p>What is needed is the combination of these virtues with the advantage of digital distribution.</p>
<p>The only one doing it so far is Kindle, whose inventor, Bezos, deliberately set out to duplicate the print experience in digital form.</p>
<p>The ballyhooed iPad merely perpetuates the problem of &#8220;perpetual ADD.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: I love the smell of print! &#171; Jesseaxe&#39;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/04/calmness-curation-cat-porn-dave-eggers-joys-of-print/comment-page-1/#comment-122948</link>
		<dc:creator>I love the smell of print! &#171; Jesseaxe&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 21:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Blogathon Day 2 Haiku &#171; Rebecca Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogathon Day 2 Haiku &#171; Rebecca Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 05:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] About Dave Eggers&#8217;s love [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rePost :: Calmness, curation, cat porn: Dave Eggers’ joys of print » Nieman Journalism Lab : On the 8 Spot</title>
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		<dc:creator>rePost :: Calmness, curation, cat porn: Dave Eggers’ joys of print » Nieman Journalism Lab : On the 8 Spot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Calmness, curation, cat porn: Dave Eggers’ joys of print » Nieman Journalism Lab.  0 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SphericalTechnologies.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Global Media Evaluating Business Models Around An Unique Publishing Medium</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/04/calmness-curation-cat-porn-dave-eggers-joys-of-print/comment-page-1/#comment-104973</link>
		<dc:creator>SphericalTechnologies.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Global Media Evaluating Business Models Around An Unique Publishing Medium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and publisher Dave Eggers recently said: &#8220;I just love the form.&#8221; Jeff Jarvis hates [...]</description>
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		<title>By: This Week in Review: Facebook&#8217;s big move, the iPad&#8217;s news app control, and a future for hard reporting » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>This Week in Review: Facebook&#8217;s big move, the iPad&#8217;s news app control, and a future for hard reporting » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ably dissects five old-media myths about journalism and new media, and the Lab&#8217;s Megan Garber goes through the attributes that writer Dave Eggers associates with print, pointing out that those principles could apply just [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Megan Garber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan Garber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peggy: That’s a great point; definitely, one of the most significant aspects of Panorama was (and is) its repurposing of the newspaper from a vernacular to a luxury good — and, I’d add, from a primarily informational object to a primarily aesthetic one. Panorama’s medium is also its message: it&#039;s a newspaper that treats print not only as a platform, but also as content itself. 

@Scott: Thanks for writing. I agree with you that the broad qualities I highlighted from Eggers’ talk are readily transferable to the web; we see examples of those qualities online every day (even, I like to think, at Nieman Lab!). Ultimately, I wanted to highlight Eggers’ talk not only because he’s a smart guy whose work I admire and whose ideas deserve to be heard, but also (and more so) because of the phenomenon I mentioned, though only briefly, in the post: the politicization of print as a medium. “Print” has become such a loaded term — and such a loaded idea in general — that it’s taken on a kind of platform-based partisanship: an emotional aspect, a kind of wistful defensiveness. The precise kind that Eggers highlighted in his talk. 

Too often, I think, that emotional aspect leads us to conflate the qualities of print with the commodity of print — and to forget, more to the point, that those qualities aren’t unique to the medium by any stretch. While I agree with Eggers that there are some things that print can do uniquely well (call it Luddism, but it’s still hard for me to get too excited about sitting next to a warm fire, curled up with a good...e-book), I also think that the vast majority of the qualities print enthusiasts cite when praising the form are ones that can exist just as readily — and, often, more readily — on the web. We talk about platform agnosticism; but there’s something to be said for medium agnosticism, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peggy: That’s a great point; definitely, one of the most significant aspects of Panorama was (and is) its repurposing of the newspaper from a vernacular to a luxury good — and, I’d add, from a primarily informational object to a primarily aesthetic one. Panorama’s medium is also its message: it&#8217;s a newspaper that treats print not only as a platform, but also as content itself. </p>
<p>@Scott: Thanks for writing. I agree with you that the broad qualities I highlighted from Eggers’ talk are readily transferable to the web; we see examples of those qualities online every day (even, I like to think, at Nieman Lab!). Ultimately, I wanted to highlight Eggers’ talk not only because he’s a smart guy whose work I admire and whose ideas deserve to be heard, but also (and more so) because of the phenomenon I mentioned, though only briefly, in the post: the politicization of print as a medium. “Print” has become such a loaded term — and such a loaded idea in general — that it’s taken on a kind of platform-based partisanship: an emotional aspect, a kind of wistful defensiveness. The precise kind that Eggers highlighted in his talk. </p>
<p>Too often, I think, that emotional aspect leads us to conflate the qualities of print with the commodity of print — and to forget, more to the point, that those qualities aren’t unique to the medium by any stretch. While I agree with Eggers that there are some things that print can do uniquely well (call it Luddism, but it’s still hard for me to get too excited about sitting next to a warm fire, curled up with a good&#8230;e-book), I also think that the vast majority of the qualities print enthusiasts cite when praising the form are ones that can exist just as readily — and, often, more readily — on the web. We talk about platform agnosticism; but there’s something to be said for medium agnosticism, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Rosenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Megan, your last line is right on -- but I think you  resist following its implications, which really undermine most of Eggers&#039; case for *distinguishing* print from the Web.

I like what Dave is trying to do; McSweeney&#039;s is a great project. Still, I have to argue here. There is nothing that Dave observes about print that is not possible, and in fact widely pursued, online.

There are plenty of websites  that do not try to distract you with &quot;cat porn.&quot; Most commonly the sites that try to distract you are commercial sites. If the site is a product of your passion then it is far less likely to do anything but try to engage you with its content. So the &quot;too much distraction&quot; objection is an objection to the business of web publishing as constituted today, not the form of the medium.

Length and thoughtfulness? One reason I was so glad to leave print for the Web in 1995 was: no more cutting from the bottom! There is *no space limit* in this medium. That can give bores a long rope, but it also lets talents flower. 

Professionalism and curation? Again, there is nothing inherent to the *form* of the Web that makes it inhospitable to either of these concepts. Curation, certainly, is far easier to practice online than in print. Professionalism has been harder to pursue because the Web is still young -- and also, more importantly, because the Web business remains a tough game, so it&#039;s hard to support yourself in the style to which journalism  professionals have become accustomed through web work. But nothing about the web keeps you from behaving like a professional if you happen to know what that is. 

Finally, physicality and variety: Well, the Web is the greatest cornucopia of variety -- and machine for serendipity -- that humanity has yet been able to invent. It gives print a run for the money on this score, and print has a centuries-long lead. As for physicality--OK, there&#039;s no winning on this one. If you simply feel &quot;I don&#039;t want to read online&quot; then there&#039;s not much of a retort possible on behalf of the Web. Here&#039;s one anyone: screens are physical, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megan, your last line is right on &#8212; but I think you  resist following its implications, which really undermine most of Eggers&#8217; case for *distinguishing* print from the Web.</p>
<p>I like what Dave is trying to do; McSweeney&#8217;s is a great project. Still, I have to argue here. There is nothing that Dave observes about print that is not possible, and in fact widely pursued, online.</p>
<p>There are plenty of websites  that do not try to distract you with &#8220;cat porn.&#8221; Most commonly the sites that try to distract you are commercial sites. If the site is a product of your passion then it is far less likely to do anything but try to engage you with its content. So the &#8220;too much distraction&#8221; objection is an objection to the business of web publishing as constituted today, not the form of the medium.</p>
<p>Length and thoughtfulness? One reason I was so glad to leave print for the Web in 1995 was: no more cutting from the bottom! There is *no space limit* in this medium. That can give bores a long rope, but it also lets talents flower. </p>
<p>Professionalism and curation? Again, there is nothing inherent to the *form* of the Web that makes it inhospitable to either of these concepts. Curation, certainly, is far easier to practice online than in print. Professionalism has been harder to pursue because the Web is still young &#8212; and also, more importantly, because the Web business remains a tough game, so it&#8217;s hard to support yourself in the style to which journalism  professionals have become accustomed through web work. But nothing about the web keeps you from behaving like a professional if you happen to know what that is. </p>
<p>Finally, physicality and variety: Well, the Web is the greatest cornucopia of variety &#8212; and machine for serendipity &#8212; that humanity has yet been able to invent. It gives print a run for the money on this score, and print has a centuries-long lead. As for physicality&#8211;OK, there&#8217;s no winning on this one. If you simply feel &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to read online&#8221; then there&#8217;s not much of a retort possible on behalf of the Web. Here&#8217;s one anyone: screens are physical, too.</p>
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		<title>By: The One Screen &#124; Staying Foolish.</title>
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		<dc:creator>The One Screen &#124; Staying Foolish.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dave Eggers&#8217; on print: “I don’t want to read online,” Eggers said. “I don’t want to wake up and look at a screen. I feel like as a society, we try to put everything on that same goddamn screen, and pretty soon we’re going to be eating on the screen or, like, making love through the screen. It’s just sort of like: ‘Why does everything have to be on the screen?’ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dave Eggers&#8217; on print: “I don’t want to read online,” Eggers said. “I don’t want to wake up and look at a screen. I feel like as a society, we try to put everything on that same goddamn screen, and pretty soon we’re going to be eating on the screen or, like, making love through the screen. It’s just sort of like: ‘Why does everything have to be on the screen?’ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SphericalTechnologies.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Amazing, Flexible Medium For Publishing&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>SphericalTechnologies.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Amazing, Flexible Medium For Publishing&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis hates it. Writer and publisher Dave Eggers recently said: &#8220;I just love the form.&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Peggy Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peggy Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Megan - great piece. You are right when you observe that &quot;more robust and more surprising and beautiful and expansive&quot; is equally applicable the web. And the converse holds as well. For example, the ubiquitous ad boxes and columns of easily digestible bullet points in the paper are analogous to the web&#039;s distracting &quot;flashing buttons.&quot; Eggers&#039; venture into newspapers can be understood as repackaging the newspaper as a luxury item - beautiful and *rare perhaps, but because of that, not necessarily *relevant and perhaps not necessarily *news. Something to be &quot;curled up with&quot; in an off moment, not something consumed on the train on the way to the office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megan &#8211; great piece. You are right when you observe that &#8220;more robust and more surprising and beautiful and expansive&#8221; is equally applicable the web. And the converse holds as well. For example, the ubiquitous ad boxes and columns of easily digestible bullet points in the paper are analogous to the web&#8217;s distracting &#8220;flashing buttons.&#8221; Eggers&#8217; venture into newspapers can be understood as repackaging the newspaper as a luxury item &#8211; beautiful and *rare perhaps, but because of that, not necessarily *relevant and perhaps not necessarily *news. Something to be &#8220;curled up with&#8221; in an off moment, not something consumed on the train on the way to the office.</p>
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