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]]> By: Jeff Israely http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/jeff-israely-the-line-between-content-and-journalism-and-deciding-which-side-i-want-to-be-on/comment-page-1/#comment-122765 Jeff Israely Fri, 04 Jun 2010 08:41:59 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=17638#comment-122765 Paul, yup..."editorial" is good, and seems a good fit with your good looking company... though i imagine it often comes out as an adjective...editorial CONTENT/or product....which again is much better than just 'content'...other terms swimming around are 'publishing', 'media'. others? i went on this 'journalism' riff intentionally, self-consciously...as a kind of call to arms for a method/profession(?) in full identity et al crises...and yes, as a way to refine my own pitch... Paul, yup…”editorial” is good, and seems a good fit with your good looking company… though i imagine it often comes out as an adjective…editorial CONTENT/or product….which again is much better than just ‘content’…other terms swimming around are ‘publishing’, ‘media’. others? i went on this ‘journalism’ riff intentionally, self-consciously…as a kind of call to arms for a method/profession(?) in full identity et al crises…and yes, as a way to refine my own pitch…

]]> By: Paul Keers http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/jeff-israely-the-line-between-content-and-journalism-and-deciding-which-side-i-want-to-be-on/comment-page-1/#comment-122755 Paul Keers Fri, 04 Jun 2010 07:59:41 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=17638#comment-122755 Why not try using the word "editorial"? We're talking about a spectrum which stretches from serious news reporting and analysis at one end (which can only be described as journalism) to content farm junk at the other (which can NEVER be described as journalism!). Somewhere in between is feature writing etc. Surely the term "editorial" is better than content to describe what you're talking about? It can even encompass visual material (as per the old Life) which has communicative value. Why not try using the word “editorial”? We’re talking about a spectrum which stretches from serious news reporting and analysis at one end (which can only be described as journalism) to content farm junk at the other (which can NEVER be described as journalism!). Somewhere in between is feature writing etc. Surely the term “editorial” is better than content to describe what you’re talking about? It can even encompass visual material (as per the old Life) which has communicative value.

]]> By: Matt Mireles http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/jeff-israely-the-line-between-content-and-journalism-and-deciding-which-side-i-want-to-be-on/comment-page-1/#comment-122729 Matt Mireles Fri, 04 Jun 2010 05:25:17 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=17638#comment-122729 Dude, have you bought/read/madeloveto Steve Blank's Four Steps to the Epiphany yet? Dude, have you bought/read/madeloveto Steve Blank’s Four Steps to the Epiphany yet?

]]> By: Jeff Israely http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/jeff-israely-the-line-between-content-and-journalism-and-deciding-which-side-i-want-to-be-on/comment-page-1/#comment-122585 Jeff Israely Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:54:20 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=17638#comment-122585 thanks Mario! l'ordine dei giornalisti e' giusto... here's the link, via google translate. http://bit.ly/bs4O6k let's see if it makes any more sense in mechanical english than in its italian reality?? by the way, mi piacerebbe di parlare con te del mio progetto...? ciao, grazie thanks Mario! l’ordine dei giornalisti e’ giusto… here’s the link, via google translate. http://bit.ly/bs4O6k let’s see if it makes any more sense in mechanical english than in its italian reality?? by the way, mi piacerebbe di parlare con te del mio progetto…? ciao, grazie

]]> By: Mario Tedeschini Lalli http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/jeff-israely-the-line-between-content-and-journalism-and-deciding-which-side-i-want-to-be-on/comment-page-1/#comment-122583 Mario Tedeschini Lalli Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:44:38 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=17638#comment-122583 ...as an old new media guy I forgot the full name and the link! :-) …as an old new media guy I forgot the full name and the link! :-)

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]]> By: Jeff Israely http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/jeff-israely-the-line-between-content-and-journalism-and-deciding-which-side-i-want-to-be-on/comment-page-1/#comment-122569 Jeff Israely Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:51:09 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=17638#comment-122569 thanks Jason! as a relatively new new media guy and long lapsed met fan, means much getting feedback from you...(btw, the ump's call last night...it's gotta stick, eh?) ... i remember getting to europe and being annoyed by the pompous use of the word journalism/journalist, not to mention the silly professional journalism "orders" and clubs. i was always a "reporter". but i guess these days we gotta hang on to what we can...it may wind up that "journalism" becomes the exception that proves the rule of lowest common denominator content...ie,..now THAT's journalism! in any case, agreed... its better (and reinvigorating) to not be consumed with fighting those fights.... thanks Jason! as a relatively new new media guy and long lapsed met fan, means much getting feedback from you…(btw, the ump’s call last night…it’s gotta stick, eh?) … i remember getting to europe and being annoyed by the pompous use of the word journalism/journalist, not to mention the silly professional journalism “orders” and clubs. i was always a “reporter”. but i guess these days we gotta hang on to what we can…it may wind up that “journalism” becomes the exception that proves the rule of lowest common denominator content…ie,..now THAT’s journalism! in any case, agreed… its better (and reinvigorating) to not be consumed with fighting those fights….

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]]> By: Jason Fry http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/jeff-israely-the-line-between-content-and-journalism-and-deciding-which-side-i-want-to-be-on/comment-page-1/#comment-122556 Jason Fry Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:45:47 +0000 http://www.niemanlab.org/?p=17638#comment-122556 Great post, Jeff. In my WSJ days I used to bitch at developers and business people for saying "content." But eventually I gave up, and soon after that I found myself saying it too, at first to my horror. Part of the change was that I was blogging about baseball in my off-hours, and while I thought that writing was valuable, it wasn't journalism. So the lines were getting blurred. And while the writing was fun no matter what I did, the assembled responsibilities did start to feel like digital jars that needed filling. Mostly, though, I think I just got tired of the fight. Great post, Jeff.

In my WSJ days I used to bitch at developers and business people for saying “content.” But eventually I gave up, and soon after that I found myself saying it too, at first to my horror.

Part of the change was that I was blogging about baseball in my off-hours, and while I thought that writing was valuable, it wasn’t journalism. So the lines were getting blurred. And while the writing was fun no matter what I did, the assembled responsibilities did start to feel like digital jars that needed filling.

Mostly, though, I think I just got tired of the fight.

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