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		<title>By: Where Papers&#8217; Linking Problems Begin &#171; Reinventing the Newsroom</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/maximizing-the-values-of-the-link-credibility-readability-connectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-276818</link>
		<dc:creator>Where Papers&#8217; Linking Problems Begin &#171; Reinventing the Newsroom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 13:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That question reverberates in digital-journalism circles periodically, and since the link is one of the more fundamental tenets of the web, if not the fundamental tenet, a failure to link is often portrayed as a symptom of an anti-digital [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That question reverberates in digital-journalism circles periodically, and since the link is one of the more fundamental tenets of the web, if not the fundamental tenet, a failure to link is often portrayed as a symptom of an anti-digital [...]</p>
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		<title>By: So what does this mean for the media? &#171; Guy&#039;s Media Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/maximizing-the-values-of-the-link-credibility-readability-connectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-276192</link>
		<dc:creator>So what does this mean for the media? &#171; Guy&#039;s Media Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 23:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 6/7/10 UPDATE: The Nieman Journalism Lab provides some thoughtful analysis of the hubbub on the above issue. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MCJ 105 Newspaper Workshop Guest Lecture Resources &#171; SivekMedia.com</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/maximizing-the-values-of-the-link-credibility-readability-connectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-270700</link>
		<dc:creator>MCJ 105 Newspaper Workshop Guest Lecture Resources &#171; SivekMedia.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 21:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] deeply about the purpose of links in your online [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Attribution and linking in online journalism &#171; Ed Kemp</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/maximizing-the-values-of-the-link-credibility-readability-connectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-193959</link>
		<dc:creator>Attribution and linking in online journalism &#171; Ed Kemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 18:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out the Nieman Journalism Lab on linkng (one link to it is already given above) and Jeff Jarvis on the merits that links bring to our [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Don&#8217;t save your links for the end &#8212; it&#8217;s more distracting! — Scott Rosenberg&#39;s Wordyard</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/maximizing-the-values-of-the-link-credibility-readability-connectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-159968</link>
		<dc:creator>Don&#8217;t save your links for the end &#8212; it&#8217;s more distracting! — Scott Rosenberg&#39;s Wordyard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] earlier this year when Carr first floated his &#8220;delinkification&#8221; meme. In particular, Jason Fry&#8217;s excellent post at Nieman Lab surveyed the ground [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] earlier this year when Carr first floated his &#8220;delinkification&#8221; meme. In particular, Jason Fry&#8217;s excellent post at Nieman Lab surveyed the ground [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Links: Not Just the Currency of the Web, but the Soul &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links: Not Just the Currency of the Web, but the Soul &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] people don&#8217;t click on links anyway. Carr also got some support from Jason Fry, writing at the Neiman Journalism Lab, and Ryan Chittum in a piece for the Columbia Journalism Review (in the spirit of full disclosure, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] people don&#8217;t click on links anyway. Carr also got some support from Jason Fry, writing at the Neiman Journalism Lab, and Ryan Chittum in a piece for the Columbia Journalism Review (in the spirit of full disclosure, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Culture, Anarchy and the Conceptual Value of Links &#124; Brian Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/maximizing-the-values-of-the-link-credibility-readability-connectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-158814</link>
		<dc:creator>Culture, Anarchy and the Conceptual Value of Links &#124; Brian Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 09:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Links in a text aren&#8217;t just about connectivity but credibility and readability as well, as Jason Fry argued. Rosenberg didn&#8217;t explicitly go as far as I do but I&#8217;ll certainly echo what he [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Links in a text aren&#8217;t just about connectivity but credibility and readability as well, as Jason Fry argued. Rosenberg didn&#8217;t explicitly go as far as I do but I&#8217;ll certainly echo what he [...]</p>
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		<title>By: In Defense of Links, Part One: Nick Carr, hypertext and delinkification — Scott Rosenberg&#39;s Wordyard</title>
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		<dc:creator>In Defense of Links, Part One: Nick Carr, hypertext and delinkification — Scott Rosenberg&#39;s Wordyard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] partial support from some other estimable writers (among them Laura Miller, Marshall Kirkpatrick, Jason Fry and Ryan Chittum). Carr&#8217;s &#8220;delinkification&#8221; critique is part of a larger argument [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] partial support from some other estimable writers (among them Laura Miller, Marshall Kirkpatrick, Jason Fry and Ryan Chittum). Carr&#8217;s &#8220;delinkification&#8221; critique is part of a larger argument [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Writing Web links &#124; Wylie Communications, Inc.</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/maximizing-the-values-of-the-link-credibility-readability-connectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-143860</link>
		<dc:creator>Writing Web links &#124; Wylie Communications, Inc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 04:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fry, “Maximizing the values of the link: Credibility, readability, connectivity,” Nieman Journalism Lab, June 7, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chain reaction &#124; Wylie&#39;s Writing Tips</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/maximizing-the-values-of-the-link-credibility-readability-connectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-142308</link>
		<dc:creator>Chain reaction &#124; Wylie&#39;s Writing Tips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fry, “Maximizing the values of the link: Credibility, readability, connectivity,” Nieman Journalism Lab, June 7, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: This Week in Review: A mobile aggregation dustup, journalists and the link, and fan-based local sports &#124; Mark Coddington</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/maximizing-the-values-of-the-link-credibility-readability-connectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-135218</link>
		<dc:creator>This Week in Review: A mobile aggregation dustup, journalists and the link, and fan-based local sports &#124; Mark Coddington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 02:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at the Lab, Jason Fry weighed in on the delinkification debate, giving a useful classification of the link&#8217;s primary purposes — credibility, readability [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The problem with the iPad &#124; possibleworldz.com</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/maximizing-the-values-of-the-link-credibility-readability-connectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-127945</link>
		<dc:creator>The problem with the iPad &#124; possibleworldz.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 05:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Carr&#8217;s recent thoughts on &#8220;Delinkification&#8220;. (For further comments on this see Jason Fry&#8217;s thoughts at Nieman [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Links grow up &#171; Libtools</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/maximizing-the-values-of-the-link-credibility-readability-connectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-125915</link>
		<dc:creator>Links grow up &#171; Libtools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 00:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recently with Carr on Rough Type last week, and it is continuing in many places (e.g., salon.com, Nieman lab, etc).  Lots of folks (Shirky, etc.) are weighing in on the debate if linking makes us stoopid [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recently with Carr on Rough Type last week, and it is continuing in many places (e.g., salon.com, Nieman lab, etc).  Lots of folks (Shirky, etc.) are weighing in on the debate if linking makes us stoopid [...]</p>
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		<title>By: This Week in Review: A mobile aggregation dustup, journalists and the link, and fan-based local sports » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/maximizing-the-values-of-the-link-credibility-readability-connectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-125613</link>
		<dc:creator>This Week in Review: A mobile aggregation dustup, journalists and the link, and fan-based local sports » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at the Lab, Jason Fry weighed in on the delinkification debate, giving a useful classification of the link&#8217;s primary purposes — credibility, readability [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sara Aase</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/maximizing-the-values-of-the-link-credibility-readability-connectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-123874</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara Aase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 15:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not the links that are to blame. Links are simply the electronic form for the same &quot;stuff&quot; that has always vied for our attention when we&#039;re reading something -- footnotes (David Foster Wallace, for e.g.) being the obvious one. Or how about when you come across a word you need to look up? Or what about when some word or phrase trips some other association entirely and we put down the book in order to do XYZ? 

It&#039;s not issues of credibility, readability or connectivity in links that are tripping me up, but rather that I associate the entire Internet in general with action. If I&#039;m on it, then I&#039;m supposed to be communicating, researching, writing, or otherwise &quot;working.&quot; (Reading seems to happen better, as you pointed out, in a more closed environment (i.e., book or iPad or Kindle) at a remove from the Internet, where one feels the &quot;permission&quot; to relax.) Links are nothing to me online compared to the other demands for my attention -- my email inbox being the biggest.  

I think, as you pointed out, deep reading on the Internet takes self-discipline and training. Sometimes I can do it, sometimes I can&#039;t. I have found that shutting down the browser for blocks of time or walking away from the computer entirely help my ability to concentrate and absorb information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not the links that are to blame. Links are simply the electronic form for the same &#8220;stuff&#8221; that has always vied for our attention when we&#8217;re reading something &#8212; footnotes (David Foster Wallace, for e.g.) being the obvious one. Or how about when you come across a word you need to look up? Or what about when some word or phrase trips some other association entirely and we put down the book in order to do XYZ? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not issues of credibility, readability or connectivity in links that are tripping me up, but rather that I associate the entire Internet in general with action. If I&#8217;m on it, then I&#8217;m supposed to be communicating, researching, writing, or otherwise &#8220;working.&#8221; (Reading seems to happen better, as you pointed out, in a more closed environment (i.e., book or iPad or Kindle) at a remove from the Internet, where one feels the &#8220;permission&#8221; to relax.) Links are nothing to me online compared to the other demands for my attention &#8212; my email inbox being the biggest.  </p>
<p>I think, as you pointed out, deep reading on the Internet takes self-discipline and training. Sometimes I can do it, sometimes I can&#8217;t. I have found that shutting down the browser for blocks of time or walking away from the computer entirely help my ability to concentrate and absorb information.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/maximizing-the-values-of-the-link-credibility-readability-connectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-123868</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 15:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wikipedia is an interesting case. I also find the links to other articles very seductive (YouTube is the only other place I find myself forgetting where I started). But I had the same weakness when I used to read physical encyclopedias too -- except the distractions tended to be less relevant: many were arbitrary based on whatever pages I happened to flip past. And then I learned how (and when) to exercise discipline...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia is an interesting case. I also find the links to other articles very seductive (YouTube is the only other place I find myself forgetting where I started). But I had the same weakness when I used to read physical encyclopedias too &#8212; except the distractions tended to be less relevant: many were arbitrary based on whatever pages I happened to flip past. And then I learned how (and when) to exercise discipline&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2010-06-08 &#171; Onlinejournalismtest&#39;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2010-06-08 &#171; Onlinejournalismtest&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Maximizing the values of the link: Credibility, readability, connectivity » Nieman Journalism Lab I think the recent arguments about the role and presentation of links revolve around three potentially different things: credibility, readability and connectivity. And those arguments get intense when those factors are mistaken for each other or are seen as blurring together. Let’s take them one by one and see if they can be teased apart again. (tags: linking) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Maximizing the values of the link: Credibility, readability, connectivity » Nieman Journalism Lab I think the recent arguments about the role and presentation of links revolve around three potentially different things: credibility, readability and connectivity. And those arguments get intense when those factors are mistaken for each other or are seen as blurring together. Let’s take them one by one and see if they can be teased apart again. (tags: linking) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Why link out? Four journalistic purposes of the noble hyperlink » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/maximizing-the-values-of-the-link-credibility-readability-connectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-123841</link>
		<dc:creator>Why link out? Four journalistic purposes of the noble hyperlink » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nick Carr&#039;s links-as-distraction argument is only the latest incarnation. Yesterday, Jason Fry tried to contextualize the linking debate around credibility, readability, and connectivity. Here, Jonathan Stray tries out his own, more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Nick Carr&#39;s links-as-distraction argument is only the latest incarnation. Yesterday, Jason Fry tried to contextualize the linking debate around credibility, readability, and connectivity. Here, Jonathan Stray tries out his own, more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ali Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 20:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really great post, hitting the issues really well.

I&#039;d just like to say that there is (sort of) precedence for this sort of thing - scientific papers. These have to have many footnotes, providing evidence for the claims asserted. They are often flagged as subscript or superscript numbers, very much like the hyperlink in that it supposedly breaks the flow of reading. In fact these flags are probably worse than hyperlinks because to &#039;click-through&#039; to the original article you have to find the referenced footnote at the end of the article and look it up (online or at a library). This is required in published papers, as (rightly) evidence is needed to back up your statements.

I find it hard to believe that &#039;linking&#039; in such a way detracts from the reading of the article - scientific papers are the bedrock of all amazing science that has been done for centuries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really great post, hitting the issues really well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d just like to say that there is (sort of) precedence for this sort of thing &#8211; scientific papers. These have to have many footnotes, providing evidence for the claims asserted. They are often flagged as subscript or superscript numbers, very much like the hyperlink in that it supposedly breaks the flow of reading. In fact these flags are probably worse than hyperlinks because to &#8216;click-through&#8217; to the original article you have to find the referenced footnote at the end of the article and look it up (online or at a library). This is required in published papers, as (rightly) evidence is needed to back up your statements.</p>
<p>I find it hard to believe that &#8216;linking&#8217; in such a way detracts from the reading of the article &#8211; scientific papers are the bedrock of all amazing science that has been done for centuries.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Broadhurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Broadhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting debate, and I think picks at a more fundamental question the Web still hasn&#039;t really answered in 15+ years of commercial existence. Namely, how much is enough information on a page. The web operations I run inside my company have the same challenge that news organizations do - and as a former journalist and colleague of Jason&#039;s, I know that side of the equation, too - but the constant feedback received at both places was, distilled, the contrary viewpoints of &quot;put more on the home page because it&#039;s too hard to find stuff&quot; and &quot;there&#039;s too much clutter/noise, make the pages simpler&quot;.

I&#039;m not sure there&#039;s a reconciliation of that, just as I&#039;m not sure there is of this discussion. Links matter, but I think really what Carr is getting at is how many links are too many, and how many are just enough - and maybe that&#039;s the point of this discussion in the end.

Nice post though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting debate, and I think picks at a more fundamental question the Web still hasn&#8217;t really answered in 15+ years of commercial existence. Namely, how much is enough information on a page. The web operations I run inside my company have the same challenge that news organizations do &#8211; and as a former journalist and colleague of Jason&#8217;s, I know that side of the equation, too &#8211; but the constant feedback received at both places was, distilled, the contrary viewpoints of &#8220;put more on the home page because it&#8217;s too hard to find stuff&#8221; and &#8220;there&#8217;s too much clutter/noise, make the pages simpler&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure there&#8217;s a reconciliation of that, just as I&#8217;m not sure there is of this discussion. Links matter, but I think really what Carr is getting at is how many links are too many, and how many are just enough &#8211; and maybe that&#8217;s the point of this discussion in the end.</p>
<p>Nice post though.</p>
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		<title>By: Ike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not put this to a test? You have the means to do so.

Simply change your CSS (Cascading Style Sheet) so the hyperlinks in your stories are invisible, unless they are hovered over.

Then your readers are not distracted by the existence of links, but can find them if they choose to dig. You retain context, you retain credibility, and you make for a smoother, uninterrupted reading experience.

Try it for a while, with a few articles, then benchmark that against a control group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not put this to a test? You have the means to do so.</p>
<p>Simply change your CSS (Cascading Style Sheet) so the hyperlinks in your stories are invisible, unless they are hovered over.</p>
<p>Then your readers are not distracted by the existence of links, but can find them if they choose to dig. You retain context, you retain credibility, and you make for a smoother, uninterrupted reading experience.</p>
<p>Try it for a while, with a few articles, then benchmark that against a control group.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Fry</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/maximizing-the-values-of-the-link-credibility-readability-connectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-123516</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Fry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 15:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know Nicholas Carr, so this may be unfair, but I do see some carnival barkery at work in the language he chose. But it did get everybody talking, so mission accomplished -- and the underlying issue strikes me as a real one that&#039;s valuable to explore.

And Jimmy&#039;s point gets us right back to staring at the central dilemma: The &quot;credibility&quot; links are at the bottom of Wikipedia articles, and as a daily Wikipedia reader I&#039;ve been trained to know that and read accordingly -- I sometimes jump down to the externals when the top of an article has given me the quick gloss I need. 

Yet it&#039;s also true that all the other links in those articles become a huge temptation -- you can arrive to find out about, say, British warship classifications and find yourself reading about Phoenician trade with startling speed. (Not a theoretical example -- happened to me last week.) Which is fascinating and wonderful -- and it&#039;s difficult to imagine Wikipedia without those links -- but also gets right to Carr&#039;s point about extra cognitive load. It takes a very disciplined reader to follow an article&#039;s throughline and not race off to explore some other intellectual branch.

Maybe we are learning to read differently in different contexts, and our kids will scoff at the idea that we struggled with this. Maybe there&#039;s some new way of presenting links that would preserve credibility and connectivity while enhancing readability, and will work for readers who aren&#039;t inclined to mess around under the hood of the browser....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know Nicholas Carr, so this may be unfair, but I do see some carnival barkery at work in the language he chose. But it did get everybody talking, so mission accomplished &#8212; and the underlying issue strikes me as a real one that&#8217;s valuable to explore.</p>
<p>And Jimmy&#8217;s point gets us right back to staring at the central dilemma: The &#8220;credibility&#8221; links are at the bottom of Wikipedia articles, and as a daily Wikipedia reader I&#8217;ve been trained to know that and read accordingly &#8212; I sometimes jump down to the externals when the top of an article has given me the quick gloss I need. </p>
<p>Yet it&#8217;s also true that all the other links in those articles become a huge temptation &#8212; you can arrive to find out about, say, British warship classifications and find yourself reading about Phoenician trade with startling speed. (Not a theoretical example &#8212; happened to me last week.) Which is fascinating and wonderful &#8212; and it&#8217;s difficult to imagine Wikipedia without those links &#8212; but also gets right to Carr&#8217;s point about extra cognitive load. It takes a very disciplined reader to follow an article&#8217;s throughline and not race off to explore some other intellectual branch.</p>
<p>Maybe we are learning to read differently in different contexts, and our kids will scoff at the idea that we struggled with this. Maybe there&#8217;s some new way of presenting links that would preserve credibility and connectivity while enhancing readability, and will work for readers who aren&#8217;t inclined to mess around under the hood of the browser&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Credibility, Readability, Connectivity &#171; Reinventing the Newsroom</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/maximizing-the-values-of-the-link-credibility-readability-connectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-123510</link>
		<dc:creator>Credibility, Readability, Connectivity &#171; Reinventing the Newsroom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 15:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Readability,&#160;Connectivity  Posted in Uncategorized by reinventingthenewsroom on June 7, 2010   My latest post for Nieman Journalism Lab looks at the furor that erupted when Nicholas Carr proposed an experiment [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Readability,&nbsp;Connectivity  Posted in Uncategorized by reinventingthenewsroom on June 7, 2010   My latest post for Nieman Journalism Lab looks at the furor that erupted when Nicholas Carr proposed an experiment [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/maximizing-the-values-of-the-link-credibility-readability-connectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-123504</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 15:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, Jason. Your analysis is sound, your categories help, and I am glad you brought in the wider context: fears of a new walled garden, apps with no links, and what the iPad will or will not do to the news business. I think it&#039;s also worth mentioning the deeper background: that to this day much of the news business is reluctant to link out, or just super slow in adapting its production routines to make use of this power.  

I took more than the usual criticism for my suggestion that &quot;unbuilding the web&quot; would be a better name for Carr&#039;s project in the two pieces of his that you point to here. Well, it was a bit hyperbolic of me, and that&#039;s never a good business for a critic to be in. On reflection, what I should have done is pointed out that Carr is asking to be understood in two different ways, but only defending one. When doubters react to the other, he charges them with over-reacting. 

As you pointed here, if you don&#039;t want to be misunderstood as suggesting we can do without links, why would you use &quot;Experiments in delinkification&quot; as your title, when what you really mean is not delinkifying a post, but disembedding the links and moving them around to enhance readability?  Wouldn&#039;t a term like that--delinkify--just cause unnecessary confusion?

Similarly, if what you really mean is... &quot;Steve Gillmor was wrong to stop putting links into his online writing and to go on a crusade against them, because that &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; be unbuilding the web...&quot; (which, as far as I can tell, is the position Carr actually holds, though I could be wrong) then why would you begin your sketch of that position by declaring a great deal of sympathy for Gillmor&#039;s crusade? As in... &quot;I&#039;m beginning to think I should have joined up instead of mocking it,&quot; which is what Nick wrote.

As far as I can tell, Carr does not actually think this. He doesn&#039;t want to join up with Gillmor&#039;s crusade to stop linking out in online writing. He just says it that way, because.... well, I won&#039;t speculate on the because part, since I don&#039;t know. 

I&#039;m pretty sure if my actual view was that Steve Gillmor went too far in cleansing his writing of links, I wouldn&#039;t say, &quot;maybe I should have joined his crusade.&quot; That would be confusing. I would say something like, &quot;I still think Gillmor was nuts to do away with links in his own writing, but he got me thinking about something....&quot;  That would be clearer. But it would sound less contrarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, Jason. Your analysis is sound, your categories help, and I am glad you brought in the wider context: fears of a new walled garden, apps with no links, and what the iPad will or will not do to the news business. I think it&#8217;s also worth mentioning the deeper background: that to this day much of the news business is reluctant to link out, or just super slow in adapting its production routines to make use of this power.  </p>
<p>I took more than the usual criticism for my suggestion that &#8220;unbuilding the web&#8221; would be a better name for Carr&#8217;s project in the two pieces of his that you point to here. Well, it was a bit hyperbolic of me, and that&#8217;s never a good business for a critic to be in. On reflection, what I should have done is pointed out that Carr is asking to be understood in two different ways, but only defending one. When doubters react to the other, he charges them with over-reacting. </p>
<p>As you pointed here, if you don&#8217;t want to be misunderstood as suggesting we can do without links, why would you use &#8220;Experiments in delinkification&#8221; as your title, when what you really mean is not delinkifying a post, but disembedding the links and moving them around to enhance readability?  Wouldn&#8217;t a term like that&#8211;delinkify&#8211;just cause unnecessary confusion?</p>
<p>Similarly, if what you really mean is&#8230; &#8220;Steve Gillmor was wrong to stop putting links into his online writing and to go on a crusade against them, because that <i>would</i> be unbuilding the web&#8230;&#8221; (which, as far as I can tell, is the position Carr actually holds, though I could be wrong) then why would you begin your sketch of that position by declaring a great deal of sympathy for Gillmor&#8217;s crusade? As in&#8230; &#8220;I&#8217;m beginning to think I should have joined up instead of mocking it,&#8221; which is what Nick wrote.</p>
<p>As far as I can tell, Carr does not actually think this. He doesn&#8217;t want to join up with Gillmor&#8217;s crusade to stop linking out in online writing. He just says it that way, because&#8230;. well, I won&#8217;t speculate on the because part, since I don&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure if my actual view was that Steve Gillmor went too far in cleansing his writing of links, I wouldn&#8217;t say, &#8220;maybe I should have joined his crusade.&#8221; That would be confusing. I would say something like, &#8220;I still think Gillmor was nuts to do away with links in his own writing, but he got me thinking about something&#8230;.&#8221;  That would be clearer. But it would sound less contrarian.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Wales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy Wales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without commenting directly on Carr&#039;s thesis, I just wanted to make one tiny observation that I thought interesting.

At Wikipedia, the external links - the ones for credibility - are placed at the bottom, just as Carr would suggest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without commenting directly on Carr&#8217;s thesis, I just wanted to make one tiny observation that I thought interesting.</p>
<p>At Wikipedia, the external links &#8211; the ones for credibility &#8211; are placed at the bottom, just as Carr would suggest.</p>
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