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	<title>Comments on: Parsing Panera: Could a name-your-own-price model work for news?</title>
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		<title>By: News: To feel like paying &#171; KJF Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/parsing-panera-could-a-name-your-own-price-model-work-for-news/comment-page-1/#comment-154655</link>
		<dc:creator>News: To feel like paying &#171; KJF Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Megan Garber on her article published on June 1st 2010 in the Nieman Journalism Lab website: “Parsing Panera: Could a name-your-own-price model work for news?” seems very skeptical when it comes to visualizing a model where people pay for the news they have access to according to what they feel like paying. www.niemanlab.org [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Megan Garber on her article published on June 1st 2010 in the Nieman Journalism Lab website: “Parsing Panera: Could a name-your-own-price model work for news?” seems very skeptical when it comes to visualizing a model where people pay for the news they have access to according to what they feel like paying. <a href="http://www.niemanlab.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.niemanlab.org</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pure Money Gifts Are Basically a Bad Idea &#171; Networked News</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/parsing-panera-could-a-name-your-own-price-model-work-for-news/comment-page-1/#comment-129354</link>
		<dc:creator>Pure Money Gifts Are Basically a Bad Idea &#171; Networked News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 03:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] plan , economics , friend , news Leave a&#160;Comment       The broad thesis under which I like the pwyw model is that there is a huge positive externality that goes to the payers. They look noble, the same way [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] plan , economics , friend , news Leave a&nbsp;Comment       The broad thesis under which I like the pwyw model is that there is a huge positive externality that goes to the payers. They look noble, the same way [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Abramovitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Abramovitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 20:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a follow-up on Laura Walker&#039;s comment from WNYC. Contrary to the beliefs of many within the public radio establishment, most of the listeners outside it already perceive public radio&#039;s underwriting announcements as paid commercials, which in fact they are. Many research studies, including Audience 88 support this. That does not negate, however, the PWYW models may not be very effective for non profits. Non profits are always obsessed with the paywall membership levels, which in turn shuts out a large portion of the audience which may be willing to give in smaller increments if it were easy and fast. Instead of the annual fund drives, I say pass the hat after the Beethoven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a follow-up on Laura Walker&#8217;s comment from WNYC. Contrary to the beliefs of many within the public radio establishment, most of the listeners outside it already perceive public radio&#8217;s underwriting announcements as paid commercials, which in fact they are. Many research studies, including Audience 88 support this. That does not negate, however, the PWYW models may not be very effective for non profits. Non profits are always obsessed with the paywall membership levels, which in turn shuts out a large portion of the audience which may be willing to give in smaller increments if it were easy and fast. Instead of the annual fund drives, I say pass the hat after the Beethoven.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Typaldos</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/parsing-panera-could-a-name-your-own-price-model-work-for-news/comment-page-1/#comment-126904</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia Typaldos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Megan,

Thanks for featuring Kachingle in your article.

At Kachingle we completely agree with your point that when contributors are visible it makes a big difference!  Your point &quot;highlighting the social, rather than the monetary, aspect of their appeal, they conveyed the fact that they meant business. Literally&quot; is very important.

Perhaps you didn&#039;t realize that Kachingle has implemented a completely financially transparent system where every contributor (we call them Kachinglers) is publicly listed (of course a Kachingler can choose to be anonymous).  So Carta.info, which now has 75 active Kachinglers, also has a list of who these Kachinglers are linked to from the Kachingle Medallion on the Carta site: http://www.kachingle.com/mk/1017.  

So the point you make above:
&quot;the raw potential of a request-oriented, rather than a demand-oriented, approach to the pay-for-news problem. They hint at what might happen when we bring a little humanity to paid content’s practical, yet wholly impersonal, business proposition. Most of us, after all, are much happier to make donations than to pay bills.&quot;
does seem to apply directly to how Kachingle works.

Addressing the issue of how much money Carta has made from Kachingle so far -- please keep in mind that Kachingle just launched a few months ago!  Facebook didn&#039;t acquire 500M users in a few months either :-)  Additionally, we only allow Kachinglers to put in $5/month -- the reason being that we want to keep the initial decision to participate very simple.  

The goal is initially to create awareness and a new &quot;social norm&quot; -- not immediately be able to fund any particular publication, blog, content or application.  This will take time but we are patient and willing to do an implementation in the short-term that is designed for the long-term.

I would be happy to discuss Kachingle and/or the whole new space of &quot;social payments&quot;.

Thanks.

Cynthia Typaldos
Founder, Kachingle
cynthia AT kachingle DOT com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megan,</p>
<p>Thanks for featuring Kachingle in your article.</p>
<p>At Kachingle we completely agree with your point that when contributors are visible it makes a big difference!  Your point &#8220;highlighting the social, rather than the monetary, aspect of their appeal, they conveyed the fact that they meant business. Literally&#8221; is very important.</p>
<p>Perhaps you didn&#8217;t realize that Kachingle has implemented a completely financially transparent system where every contributor (we call them Kachinglers) is publicly listed (of course a Kachingler can choose to be anonymous).  So Carta.info, which now has 75 active Kachinglers, also has a list of who these Kachinglers are linked to from the Kachingle Medallion on the Carta site: <a href="http://www.kachingle.com/mk/1017" rel="nofollow">http://www.kachingle.com/mk/1017</a>.  </p>
<p>So the point you make above:<br />
&#8220;the raw potential of a request-oriented, rather than a demand-oriented, approach to the pay-for-news problem. They hint at what might happen when we bring a little humanity to paid content’s practical, yet wholly impersonal, business proposition. Most of us, after all, are much happier to make donations than to pay bills.&#8221;<br />
does seem to apply directly to how Kachingle works.</p>
<p>Addressing the issue of how much money Carta has made from Kachingle so far &#8212; please keep in mind that Kachingle just launched a few months ago!  Facebook didn&#8217;t acquire 500M users in a few months either :-)  Additionally, we only allow Kachinglers to put in $5/month &#8212; the reason being that we want to keep the initial decision to participate very simple.  </p>
<p>The goal is initially to create awareness and a new &#8220;social norm&#8221; &#8212; not immediately be able to fund any particular publication, blog, content or application.  This will take time but we are patient and willing to do an implementation in the short-term that is designed for the long-term.</p>
<p>I would be happy to discuss Kachingle and/or the whole new space of &#8220;social payments&#8221;.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Cynthia Typaldos<br />
Founder, Kachingle<br />
cynthia AT kachingle DOT com</p>
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		<title>By: W.I.P. (Work In Progress) &#187; Liens du jour #33</title>
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		<dc:creator>W.I.P. (Work In Progress) &#187; Liens du jour #33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 08:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] modèle &#8220;on paie en ligne ce que l&#8217;on veut&#8221; peut-il marcher pour les news? (Nieman [...]</description>
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		<title>By: links for 2010-06-02 &#171; David Black</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/parsing-panera-could-a-name-your-own-price-model-work-for-news/comment-page-1/#comment-120644</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2010-06-02 &#171; David Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 08:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Could a name-your-own-price model work for news? &#8211; Nieman Journalism Lab &quot;The former CEO of Panera Bread recently announced an intriguing experiment: The chain’s store in Clayton, Missouri is doing away with prices.&quot; (tags: internet media newspapersites business paywalls micropayments) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Could a name-your-own-price model work for news? &#8211; Nieman Journalism Lab &quot;The former CEO of Panera Bread recently announced an intriguing experiment: The chain’s store in Clayton, Missouri is doing away with prices.&quot; (tags: internet media newspapersites business paywalls micropayments) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/parsing-panera-could-a-name-your-own-price-model-work-for-news/comment-page-1/#comment-120533</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 06:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe www.flattr.com from Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde could be interesting, when approaching this question - PWYW subscription for creative goods...

Best, Ryan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe <a href="http://www.flattr.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.flattr.com</a> from Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde could be interesting, when approaching this question &#8211; PWYW subscription for creative goods&#8230;</p>
<p>Best, Ryan</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 20:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;d be interesting.  A tech site Slashdot has done that, also within allowing those who contribute more to recieve a &quot;bump&quot; in the moderation of their comments.

I think it would be also interesting if people could &quot;pay&quot; with something that wasn&#039;t money.  So if you subscribe to the NYTimes you&#039;d get 500 NYTDollars that you could &quot;spend&quot; on articles you like.  Basically allow for a &quot;Like&quot; on articles that editors could use, but of course, wouldn&#039;t have to.  But by making it a limited resource, given only to subscribers, it would seem that the metric would be relatively valuable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;d be interesting.  A tech site Slashdot has done that, also within allowing those who contribute more to recieve a &#8220;bump&#8221; in the moderation of their comments.</p>
<p>I think it would be also interesting if people could &#8220;pay&#8221; with something that wasn&#8217;t money.  So if you subscribe to the NYTimes you&#8217;d get 500 NYTDollars that you could &#8220;spend&#8221; on articles you like.  Basically allow for a &#8220;Like&#8221; on articles that editors could use, but of course, wouldn&#8217;t have to.  But by making it a limited resource, given only to subscribers, it would seem that the metric would be relatively valuable.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Outing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Outing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Megan: At the Digital Media Test Kitchen at CU-Boulder, we&#039;re embarking on some PWYW research with online news; it&#039;s a worthy area for experimentation. There are 2 areas worth examining: 1) PWYW for online content or service that currently has a price, but perhaps isn&#039;t doing well; and 2) PWYW for for online content that is currently (and long has been) free, but the publisher would like to monetize. This should be interesting.

On the Panera experiment, that&#039;s apples to oranges -- or soup &amp; salad to Tarte Fine with scallops &amp; black truffle. 8^) Panera typically charges for its food; WashingtonPost.com gives its web content away free. They have little to do with each other, and Panera&#039;s experience will mean nothing to PWYW experiments in online news.

I beg to differ on your conclusion. Just as if every news website puts up an individual news-access paywall, if every or lots of news websites put up their own &quot;Kachingles,&quot; there are simply too many sites that the average online user frequents. You need to take advantage of the network effect, and that&#039;s why I&#039;m more optimistic about the chances of initiatives like Kachingle and Flattr.com. It&#039;s a lot like why most sites accept Paypal to collect money for whatever they&#039;re selling, rather than rely each on their own proprietary payment system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megan: At the Digital Media Test Kitchen at CU-Boulder, we&#8217;re embarking on some PWYW research with online news; it&#8217;s a worthy area for experimentation. There are 2 areas worth examining: 1) PWYW for online content or service that currently has a price, but perhaps isn&#8217;t doing well; and 2) PWYW for for online content that is currently (and long has been) free, but the publisher would like to monetize. This should be interesting.</p>
<p>On the Panera experiment, that&#8217;s apples to oranges &#8212; or soup &amp; salad to Tarte Fine with scallops &amp; black truffle. 8^) Panera typically charges for its food; WashingtonPost.com gives its web content away free. They have little to do with each other, and Panera&#8217;s experience will mean nothing to PWYW experiments in online news.</p>
<p>I beg to differ on your conclusion. Just as if every news website puts up an individual news-access paywall, if every or lots of news websites put up their own &#8220;Kachingles,&#8221; there are simply too many sites that the average online user frequents. You need to take advantage of the network effect, and that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m more optimistic about the chances of initiatives like Kachingle and Flattr.com. It&#8217;s a lot like why most sites accept Paypal to collect money for whatever they&#8217;re selling, rather than rely each on their own proprietary payment system.</p>
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