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		<title>By: Aglitter in the net: reading, writing, genes, and leaving your desk [Neuron Culture] &#171; Random Information</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aglitter in the net: reading, writing, genes, and leaving your desk [Neuron Culture] &#171; Random Information</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Reading isn&#039;t just a monkish pursuit: Matthew Battles on &quot;The Shallows&quot; » Nieman Journalism Lab More on Carr&#039;s ideas from &quot;The Shallows&quot; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Uneven depths: Why the printed page has always had room for scholarly brilliance and dirty jokes » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uneven depths: Why the printed page has always had room for scholarly brilliance and dirty jokes » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Over the next several weeks, we&#039;ll be running Matthew&#039;s ongoing twin review; here are parts one, two, three, four, five, and six. — [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Data, diffusion, impact: Five big questions the Wikileaks story raises about the future of journalism » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Data, diffusion, impact: Five big questions the Wikileaks story raises about the future of journalism » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] will always be another meme, another bombshell — blunts there impact. You don&#8217;t have to be Nicholas Carr to get the feeling that we&#8217;re living in a short-attention span, media-saturated society; I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: With surplus comes expendability? When the publishing club expands » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>With surplus comes expendability? When the publishing club expands » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Over the next several weeks, we&#039;ll be running Matthew&#039;s ongoing twin review; here are parts one, two, three, four, and five. — [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cognitive Surplus and The Shallows &#124; Hypercrit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cognitive Surplus and The Shallows &#124; Hypercrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] writ­ing ongo­ing reviews of both books as he reads them (in five parts, as of this writ­ing — 1 2 3 4 5) Battles has inspired me to do my own “reviews” — or at least thought­ful write-ups. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] writ­ing ongo­ing reviews of both books as he reads them (in five parts, as of this writ­ing — 1 2 3 4 5) Battles has inspired me to do my own “reviews” — or at least thought­ful write-ups. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Short attention span theater: Peggy Nelson on narrative and models of interaction &#8211; Nieman Storyboard - A project of the Nieman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Short attention span theater: Peggy Nelson on narrative and models of interaction &#8211; Nieman Storyboard - A project of the Nieman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Matthew Battles’ look at how the Internet influences the way we read and learn, published in a series over at Nieman Lab.]   this entry was written by Peggy Nelson, posted on July 9, 2010 at 12:56 pm, filed under images, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: From prefab paint to the power of typewriters to the Internet: Distrust of the Shallows is nothing new » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>From prefab paint to the power of typewriters to the Internet: Distrust of the Shallows is nothing new » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 17:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Over the next several weeks, we&#039;ll be running Matthew&#039;s ongoing twin review; here are parts one, two, three, and four. — [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Neuron Culture - Aglitter in the net: reading, writing, genes, and leaving your desk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neuron Culture - Aglitter in the net: reading, writing, genes, and leaving your desk</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Reading isn&#8217;t just a monkish pursuit: Matthew Battles on &#8220;The Shallows&#8221; » Nieman ... More on Carr&#8217;s ideas from &#8220;The Shallows&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Papering over the bumps: Is the online media ecosystem really flat? » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Papering over the bumps: Is the online media ecosystem really flat? » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 16:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: When &#8220;neuroplasticity&#8221; had a simpler name: Whispering books and other lionized memories » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>When &#8220;neuroplasticity&#8221; had a simpler name: Whispering books and other lionized memories » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Over the next several weeks, we&#039;ll be running Matthew&#039;s ongoing twin review; here are parts one and two. — [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Aglitter in the net: reading, writing, genes, and leaving your desk [Neuron Culture] &#187; iThinkEducation.net!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aglitter in the net: reading, writing, genes, and leaving your desk [Neuron Culture] &#187; iThinkEducation.net!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 00:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Reading isn&#8217;t just a monkish pursuit: Matthew Battles on &#8220;The Shallows&#8221; » Nieman ... More on Carr&#8217;s ideas from &#8220;The Shallows&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matthew Battles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Battles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Jay puts it well. Dipping and skimming is creative reading, reading as data-mining. And it&#039;s a highly sophisticated skill, too.

I agree with Carr that the Internet (which itself is changing all the time) changes our reading patterns—only not in the sort of simplistic, bipolar way Carr describes. The immersive reading Carr values is actually a fairly recent invention; and when it did emerge, critics worried a great deal about the spellbindinding powers of novels. And anyway, dipping and dreaming are hardly the only two modes of reading; journalism depends on and fosters others (immersive long-form narrative journalism being a cherished form, but hardly the only one that matters). I&#039;m not sure that kind of reading isn&#039;t possible on Internet, but if it isn&#039;t—yet—we should be patient, and (if we desire it) insist on seeing it emerge. Gutenberg didn&#039;t invent the novel—it took centuries after his time for that kind of reading to seize hold. We can give the Internet a few more years, can&#039;t we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Jay puts it well. Dipping and skimming is creative reading, reading as data-mining. And it&#8217;s a highly sophisticated skill, too.</p>
<p>I agree with Carr that the Internet (which itself is changing all the time) changes our reading patterns—only not in the sort of simplistic, bipolar way Carr describes. The immersive reading Carr values is actually a fairly recent invention; and when it did emerge, critics worried a great deal about the spellbindinding powers of novels. And anyway, dipping and dreaming are hardly the only two modes of reading; journalism depends on and fosters others (immersive long-form narrative journalism being a cherished form, but hardly the only one that matters). I&#8217;m not sure that kind of reading isn&#8217;t possible on Internet, but if it isn&#8217;t—yet—we should be patient, and (if we desire it) insist on seeing it emerge. Gutenberg didn&#8217;t invent the novel—it took centuries after his time for that kind of reading to seize hold. We can give the Internet a few more years, can&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: Not all free time is created equal: Battles on &#8220;Cognitive Surplus&#8221; » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not all free time is created equal: Battles on &#8220;Cognitive Surplus&#8221; » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Carr&#039;s The Shallows. Over the next several weeks, we&#039;ll be running Matthew&#039;s ongoing twin review; here&#039;s part one. — [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Contra @rudy, I&#039;d argue that dipping and skimming are a central part of intellectual reading - any grad student writing a literature review, or anyone in the social sciences or humanities has to learn how to scan a large volume of material to find the specific points that might be of interest.

Non-fiction books have indexes, which is surely direct evidence of a non-linear form of reading that&#039;s oriented around dipping into particular parts rather than digesting the whole in order. While this isn&#039;t the deep analytic linear read-through that&#039;s required to really understand scholarly ideas (that is to say, dipping in will never get you a full understanding of Hegel), I&#039;d be unwilling to call it shallow.

Maybe it&#039;s actually a type of reading that&#039;s oriented towards being creative? If linear reading is about understanding the author&#039;s POV in depth, the non-linear dipping approach tends instead encourages the synthesis of ideas the books consulted may have &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; connected. The new route through the text forms new connections and encourages new ideas...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contra @rudy, I&#8217;d argue that dipping and skimming are a central part of intellectual reading &#8211; any grad student writing a literature review, or anyone in the social sciences or humanities has to learn how to scan a large volume of material to find the specific points that might be of interest.</p>
<p>Non-fiction books have indexes, which is surely direct evidence of a non-linear form of reading that&#8217;s oriented around dipping into particular parts rather than digesting the whole in order. While this isn&#8217;t the deep analytic linear read-through that&#8217;s required to really understand scholarly ideas (that is to say, dipping in will never get you a full understanding of Hegel), I&#8217;d be unwilling to call it shallow.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s actually a type of reading that&#8217;s oriented towards being creative? If linear reading is about understanding the author&#8217;s POV in depth, the non-linear dipping approach tends instead encourages the synthesis of ideas the books consulted may have <i>not</i> connected. The new route through the text forms new connections and encourages new ideas&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rudy</title>
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		<dc:creator>rudy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 03:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dipping, skimming and literary reading may have co-existed in print.

But does Battles suggest they do on the Internet?

Isn&#039;t it rather true that dipping and skimming are possible on the Internet but not literary reading?

If he admits that, then must he not also agree, that the Internet is changing the human experience of reading, as Carr maintains?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dipping, skimming and literary reading may have co-existed in print.</p>
<p>But does Battles suggest they do on the Internet?</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it rather true that dipping and skimming are possible on the Internet but not literary reading?</p>
<p>If he admits that, then must he not also agree, that the Internet is changing the human experience of reading, as Carr maintains?</p>
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		<title>By: Barney Lerten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barney Lerten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 18:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating.

As I just wrote over at CNet, I almost bought the book, as intriguing as its premise is.

Then I flipped to a page, randomly, and read: &quot;Google may yet turn out to be a flash in the pan.&quot;

I scoffed, snickered, shook my head, put the book back down and went and picked up a few magazines for my short-attention-span brain.

Great writing, Matthew. A welcome perspective. It all reminds me of the old &#039;What&#039;s the matter with kids today?&#039; song from Bye Bye Birdie - each generation tsk tsking and chastising at what&#039;s &quot;lost&quot; (dubiously) rather than embracing what&#039;s newly found, while realizing that moderation is a virtue in any endeavor and every tool is a weapon and vice versa, etc.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating.</p>
<p>As I just wrote over at CNet, I almost bought the book, as intriguing as its premise is.</p>
<p>Then I flipped to a page, randomly, and read: &#8220;Google may yet turn out to be a flash in the pan.&#8221;</p>
<p>I scoffed, snickered, shook my head, put the book back down and went and picked up a few magazines for my short-attention-span brain.</p>
<p>Great writing, Matthew. A welcome perspective. It all reminds me of the old &#8216;What&#8217;s the matter with kids today?&#8217; song from Bye Bye Birdie &#8211; each generation tsk tsking and chastising at what&#8217;s &#8220;lost&#8221; (dubiously) rather than embracing what&#8217;s newly found, while realizing that moderation is a virtue in any endeavor and every tool is a weapon and vice versa, etc.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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