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		<title>By: Using the power of publishing to influence: The U.S. Chamber of Commerce&#8217;s entry into the news biz » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Using the power of publishing to influence: The U.S. Chamber of Commerce&#8217;s entry into the news biz » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] journalism is booming, at the local and national level. When our Jim Barnett was trying to suss out what makes a nonprofit news outlet &#8220;legit&#8221; in his eyes, he cited financial transparency as a key element. Looking at the front page of one of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Can non-profit journalism save the day? &#171; Qwerty2009&#8242;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Can non-profit journalism save the day? &#171; Qwerty2009&#8242;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ethical issues, including who was an acceptable backer. And the Nieman Journalism Lab has looked at what makes non-profit journalism legit, and proposed some standards. This blog covers the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Barry Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weirdly, no for-profit journalism company that I know of meets those criteria (after we convert the language to the for-profit world). Or not so weirdly: Until they are as transparent as you want non-profits to be, they deserve the desperately low ratings the public gives them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weirdly, no for-profit journalism company that I know of meets those criteria (after we convert the language to the for-profit world). Or not so weirdly: Until they are as transparent as you want non-profits to be, they deserve the desperately low ratings the public gives them.</p>
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		<title>By: buyer beware</title>
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		<dc:creator>buyer beware</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 09:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The FTC has looked at what constitutes editorial in the new world of bloggers. It&#039;s decision was to focus on who is paying for dissemination of content. 

This brings the US closer to EU law which divides editorial from marketing communication according to who pays. Content that is disseminated and/ or paid for by a company and its agents (e.g. an advertising agency or retailer) is marketing communication not editorial. In the eyes of the FTC, bloggers paid from marketing programmes are not publishing editorial no matter how impartial or objective their content.    

Focusing on who pays rather than trying to establish rules for objectivity or impartiality makes sense to me. It fits with non-profits too which as your research shows are not labelling their content editorial. It catches the race to the bottom that is content labelled editorial the purpose of which is not to inform you but to tell you what to think or what to buy. 

I think we are at the botom though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The FTC has looked at what constitutes editorial in the new world of bloggers. It&#8217;s decision was to focus on who is paying for dissemination of content. </p>
<p>This brings the US closer to EU law which divides editorial from marketing communication according to who pays. Content that is disseminated and/ or paid for by a company and its agents (e.g. an advertising agency or retailer) is marketing communication not editorial. In the eyes of the FTC, bloggers paid from marketing programmes are not publishing editorial no matter how impartial or objective their content.    </p>
<p>Focusing on who pays rather than trying to establish rules for objectivity or impartiality makes sense to me. It fits with non-profits too which as your research shows are not labelling their content editorial. It catches the race to the bottom that is content labelled editorial the purpose of which is not to inform you but to tell you what to think or what to buy. </p>
<p>I think we are at the botom though.</p>
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		<title>By: First, bedeck your own house with a logo &#124; The Louse &#38; the Flea</title>
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		<dc:creator>First, bedeck your own house with a logo &#124; The Louse &#38; the Flea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blog today, the Pythia of Journalism ™ urges his to click to this article by Jim Barnett on the NeimanLab site, saying: Barnett argues that &#8220;journalism non-profits could use something like a Good [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pamela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can&#039;t they have a well respected ombudsman on staff? Wouldn&#039;t that solve this whole problem. They used to call this the honor system. Isn&#039;t this still common practice ?  I truly would be interested in knowing. Thank you for your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can&#8217;t they have a well respected ombudsman on staff? Wouldn&#8217;t that solve this whole problem. They used to call this the honor system. Isn&#8217;t this still common practice ?  I truly would be interested in knowing. Thank you for your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Leadingham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Leadingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Jim. 
Thanks for your detailed response and greater perspective. It&#039;s interesting that of the 12, the only one that is an outright news/investigative organization is ProPublica. The others, as you note, have journalistic tendencies to varying degrees. Why not Center for Public Integrity or Center for Investigative Reporting? But I&#039;d surmise they&#039;d have the same or very similar characteristics as ProPublica. 

Anyway, thanks, and keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Jim.<br />
Thanks for your detailed response and greater perspective. It&#8217;s interesting that of the 12, the only one that is an outright news/investigative organization is ProPublica. The others, as you note, have journalistic tendencies to varying degrees. Why not Center for Public Integrity or Center for Investigative Reporting? But I&#8217;d surmise they&#8217;d have the same or very similar characteristics as ProPublica. </p>
<p>Anyway, thanks, and keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Scott -- 

First, my apologies for not appending the list of 12 nonprofits. I&#039;m attaching it here, at the bottom of of my note. 

How did I pick the 12? As you guessed, it wasn&#039;t a scientific process. I limited the list to nonprofits with a national reach (thereby excluding regionals like MinnPost, VOSD, Texas Tribune, which are great models, but different animals entirely) and then took suggestions from journalism elders, including the ones I mentioned in the piece. For example, David Westphal wrote last year about how Human Rights Watch was doing work that met or exceeded journalistic standards, so I&#039;ve been tracking them for a while.

I thought the Monitor deserved a look precisely because of the reason you cited -- we have given them a pass because of their unique history. But as it turns out, they do a pretty good job of aligning their mission and resources. The only reason they didn&#039;t hit six of six criteria is that some of their financials are available only in print, not online. But I suspect that will change. At the same time, I think some of the other church-affiliated pubs you mention might not be so forthcoming. If you find out more, please let us know. 

Lastly, I appreciate your point about judging the content. But I think that takes us right back where we started -- at the Potter Stewart test. I&#039;d love to see some kind of parsimonious, easily identifiable criterion applied to the work itself. But after nearly a year of searching, I can&#039;t find one that is simple and also is fair and broadly applicable. So while I&#039;m absolutely willing to be persuaded otherwise, I&#039;m sticking with the funding and governance.

Now, here are the 12 nonprofit publishers I studied, in no particular order. My goal in studying them was to recognize best practices, not to criticize anybody for falling short on some test they didn&#039;t know was being administered.

ProPublica
National Rifle Association
National Geographic Society
NAACP
Kaiser Family Foundation
Human Rights Watch
Council on Foreign Relations
Clean Skies Foundation
Church of Christ, Scientist
American Red Cross
American Civil Liberties Union
AARP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Scott &#8212; </p>
<p>First, my apologies for not appending the list of 12 nonprofits. I&#8217;m attaching it here, at the bottom of of my note. </p>
<p>How did I pick the 12? As you guessed, it wasn&#8217;t a scientific process. I limited the list to nonprofits with a national reach (thereby excluding regionals like MinnPost, VOSD, Texas Tribune, which are great models, but different animals entirely) and then took suggestions from journalism elders, including the ones I mentioned in the piece. For example, David Westphal wrote last year about how Human Rights Watch was doing work that met or exceeded journalistic standards, so I&#8217;ve been tracking them for a while.</p>
<p>I thought the Monitor deserved a look precisely because of the reason you cited &#8212; we have given them a pass because of their unique history. But as it turns out, they do a pretty good job of aligning their mission and resources. The only reason they didn&#8217;t hit six of six criteria is that some of their financials are available only in print, not online. But I suspect that will change. At the same time, I think some of the other church-affiliated pubs you mention might not be so forthcoming. If you find out more, please let us know. </p>
<p>Lastly, I appreciate your point about judging the content. But I think that takes us right back where we started &#8212; at the Potter Stewart test. I&#8217;d love to see some kind of parsimonious, easily identifiable criterion applied to the work itself. But after nearly a year of searching, I can&#8217;t find one that is simple and also is fair and broadly applicable. So while I&#8217;m absolutely willing to be persuaded otherwise, I&#8217;m sticking with the funding and governance.</p>
<p>Now, here are the 12 nonprofit publishers I studied, in no particular order. My goal in studying them was to recognize best practices, not to criticize anybody for falling short on some test they didn&#8217;t know was being administered.</p>
<p>ProPublica<br />
National Rifle Association<br />
National Geographic Society<br />
NAACP<br />
Kaiser Family Foundation<br />
Human Rights Watch<br />
Council on Foreign Relations<br />
Clean Skies Foundation<br />
Church of Christ, Scientist<br />
American Red Cross<br />
American Civil Liberties Union<br />
AARP</p>
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		<title>By: Journalism Today - Tracking Media Changes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalism Today - Tracking Media Changes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Scott Leadingham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Leadingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 02:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A thorough look at an increasingly important topic. Well done.

You mention transparency, and I’m curious of the entire field of nonprofits (12 in total) you explored. Why, for that matter, so few, if for any reason other than time? Obviously you weren’t going for any statistical relevance, and that’s not the point of such a case study approach. How did you pick those 12 in the first place, other than they “operate within the news ecosystem”?

I’m glad you skimmed more than the surface when discussing the Monitor and its relationship to the Church of Christ Scientist – that’s necessary information to fully contextualize how the Monitor operates. However, the tacit implication seems to be – and maybe I’m really over-analyzing – is that the Monitor is okay given the passage of time and their assurances of editorial independence. Thus, we give them a pass and say, “okay, you’re legit.” What about, say, the Desert News and the LDS Church? How about Freedom Magazine and the Church of Scientology? And what about the myriad outlets – print, online, broadcast – owned or otherwise connected to the Catholic church? Is there somehow less legitimacy with those? In the minds of many purist journalists, I think so, especially compared to the Monitor. 

I’ll leave with what I increasingly hear regarding the “new news ecosystem” (including bloggers, nonprofit outlets, “citizen journalists” and the like): It’s time we judge the content, not the creator – or, more broadly, the church, brand or philanthropist behind the checkbook. After all, we’ve lived over the past century or so on the mantra of a wall between editorial and advertising, assuming the latter will never influence the former.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thorough look at an increasingly important topic. Well done.</p>
<p>You mention transparency, and I’m curious of the entire field of nonprofits (12 in total) you explored. Why, for that matter, so few, if for any reason other than time? Obviously you weren’t going for any statistical relevance, and that’s not the point of such a case study approach. How did you pick those 12 in the first place, other than they “operate within the news ecosystem”?</p>
<p>I’m glad you skimmed more than the surface when discussing the Monitor and its relationship to the Church of Christ Scientist – that’s necessary information to fully contextualize how the Monitor operates. However, the tacit implication seems to be – and maybe I’m really over-analyzing – is that the Monitor is okay given the passage of time and their assurances of editorial independence. Thus, we give them a pass and say, “okay, you’re legit.” What about, say, the Desert News and the LDS Church? How about Freedom Magazine and the Church of Scientology? And what about the myriad outlets – print, online, broadcast – owned or otherwise connected to the Catholic church? Is there somehow less legitimacy with those? In the minds of many purist journalists, I think so, especially compared to the Monitor. </p>
<p>I’ll leave with what I increasingly hear regarding the “new news ecosystem” (including bloggers, nonprofit outlets, “citizen journalists” and the like): It’s time we judge the content, not the creator – or, more broadly, the church, brand or philanthropist behind the checkbook. After all, we’ve lived over the past century or so on the mantra of a wall between editorial and advertising, assuming the latter will never influence the former.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Kramer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Kramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your six practices, with one amendment: You say:
— The case for philanthropy is linked to editorial independence and objectivity.
I suggest it be editorial independence and commitment to accuracy and fairness.
MinnPost&#039;s Eric Black is eloquent on the subject of the &quot;spent force of the phony objectivity paradigm.&quot; He argues that people and entities claiming the mantle of objectivity are not lacking in bias, but merely declining to acknowledge their biases.  All journalism, like all history, is written by individuals with world-views and frames of reference that inevitably inform their choice of facts. The trick is to be open-minded, fair, accurate and transparent -- but this is not the same as being objective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your six practices, with one amendment: You say:<br />
— The case for philanthropy is linked to editorial independence and objectivity.<br />
I suggest it be editorial independence and commitment to accuracy and fairness.<br />
MinnPost&#8217;s Eric Black is eloquent on the subject of the &#8220;spent force of the phony objectivity paradigm.&#8221; He argues that people and entities claiming the mantle of objectivity are not lacking in bias, but merely declining to acknowledge their biases.  All journalism, like all history, is written by individuals with world-views and frames of reference that inevitably inform their choice of facts. The trick is to be open-minded, fair, accurate and transparent &#8212; but this is not the same as being objective.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Tofel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick Tofel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, I want to put my quote above in context.  What I think I said-- and certainly what I meant--is that advocacy organziations are to news as the traditional editorial page is to traditional news pages.  Both practice journalism, but only the latter does &quot;news&quot; in the sense I think you&#039;re trying to define it.  Great editorial pages, like the ones at the WSJ (where I used to work) practice journalism and advocacy, but they often start, as I said, with answers rather than questions.  I happen to think very highly of the journalism of Human Rights Watch-- recognizing that I may one of the few on any political spectrum who would celebrate both them and the Journal edit page in the same post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I want to put my quote above in context.  What I think I said&#8211; and certainly what I meant&#8211;is that advocacy organziations are to news as the traditional editorial page is to traditional news pages.  Both practice journalism, but only the latter does &#8220;news&#8221; in the sense I think you&#8217;re trying to define it.  Great editorial pages, like the ones at the WSJ (where I used to work) practice journalism and advocacy, but they often start, as I said, with answers rather than questions.  I happen to think very highly of the journalism of Human Rights Watch&#8211; recognizing that I may one of the few on any political spectrum who would celebrate both them and the Journal edit page in the same post.</p>
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