On Monday, Axios began to tease its full site — which launches on January 18 — with the debut of newsletters that focus on the main areas Axios plans to cover, business, healthcare, and technology (with politics and media mixed into all three topics). Mike Allen‘s AM newsletter, for instance, broke the news this morning that Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner, was poised to be named Senior Advisor to the President.
But don’t call it Politico 2.0: While the newsletter strategy and the planned high-end subscriptions component ($10,000 or more!) of the business sound familiar, Axios is also trying to build more effective user experiences for readers and shake up advertising by offering shorter, more customizable formats to advertisers.With already 50 on staff, offices in D.C. but also San Francisco, Chicago, New York, and Boston, and more positions to fill, Axios chairman and CEO Jim VandeHei told me he wants to view Axios as sort of “a rolling R&D lab.”
“We have theories, some strong views based on our experience at Politico and other places about what works,” he said. “But we want to keep testing new ideas, because more of the same isn’t what people are looking for right now or is the path to prosperity.”
VandeHei and I spoke Monday morning following the launch of the newsletters. Our conversation about what the full site will offer, how Axios is crafting its news for other platforms, and where VandeHei hopes the business side of things will develop is below, lightly edited for length and clarity, is below.
That pitch alone is a pretty big differentiator because for 80, even 90 percent of people, that’s probably not what they want. Either you’re comfortable doing what you’re doing now, or you don’t have that expertise because you like taking a more general approach or a more traditional approach. You know what I do and what Mike [Allen] does or what a [Dan] Primack does. We’re looking for people who really do have that expertise and following, and if you’d want to band together with likeminded people who care passionately about journalism and about making journalism a real business.
When it comes to economics, the fact that we do offer every single employee equity in the company, some people find that attractive. Equity, by my experience, seems to matter more to those on the business side than the journalistic side, but there are many entrepreneurial journalists who find that very appealing.
We also try to be competitive. We are a startup and we try to be wise with the money we have invested in the company. But we understand we need to offer something competitive when we target the type of talent we want to bring to the door.
We think of it less as, what’s the newsletter going to be, and more through a general content strategy. And that content strategy is the collision and convergence of business, technology, politics, and media trends.Unlike a decade a go when we started Politico, the need back then was there just wasn’t urgency, voice, and expertise in political coverage, and over the next decade everybody jumped in with some variant of that.
Fast forward to today, the fundamental challenge is with more good information than ever before shooting at you from a thousand different directions, what you need is true expertise to help you navigate and narrate what matters most in those areas.
And then help people understand what happens when those issues collide, because that’s where all the action is. That’s where all the new businesses are going to be born. And that’s where all the big policies are going to flow from. Technology and politics on top of the changing way that people are consuming and disseminating information, which changes profoundly month-to-month.
We’ve already hired a few. Kim Hart, who’s running our tech coverage, used to be at Politico as a lead tech writer and then went into the private sector, then worked at the FCC running communications. I love that careers trajectory, because she’s seen it from the media side, the corporate side, and the government side.
We hired Sara Fischer from the Washington Post. She’d been on the business side at The New York Times and then the editorial side at the Post. Her job is to cover media trends. She’s seen it from both sides. And that will make a big difference when it comes to helping readers, both influential readers and people who are really passionate about serious news, understand the rapid changes that are taking place and how people consume and disseminate information.
What you’ll experience that’s different is that every item — whether it’s something that we’re smartly narrating or whether it’s an exclusive scoop that we have — every item is summarized in a screen, something the size of your iPhone screen. It’s written in a way so that if that’s all you read, that’s enough, and you’ll walk away satisfied.
But each one of those items is shareable and save-able on its own with one touch on that screen. If you choose to read more, instead of tricking you into going into another page, more just drops down in that same stream. How do we make that reader experience as smooth and efficient as possible? You do that by not worrying about pageviews, by not worrying about little tricks that you do to get people to click, but by making that information essential.
And hopefully we’ll create an addiction to that way of consuming content.
15 percent of the population could potentially be tens of millions of people. That to me is a pretty big outer band of people who care about news, who I hope are consuming Axios content. At the same time, the way you reach those people is by being essential and useful and being something people have to reckon with at the top of each of those areas. You have the twin objectives there.
We want to be aggressive in getting our content into those different news ecosystems. Rule number one is we don’t ever want to dumb it down. Rule number two is we want to make sure that you have to understand that a smart serious news consumer on Snapchat consumes differently on Axios.com. On Snapchat it has to be short, graphical, video heavy — but doesn’t have to be dumb. You can keep it smart but still get a big audience.On Facebook we’ll be trying to lock down the enormous number of people on Facebook who are serious news consumers who might not necessarily be subscribing to the newsletter but should be reading Axios. Basically, there’s a way to use Facebook Instant Articles to create a dynamic slide-and-glide way of consuming news that’s a lot more like Snapchat Discover than it would look like Axios.com. We think that would resonate with the Facebook demographic of news consumers. It’s a new experience for them and it’s a new opportunity for advertisers to reach Facebook audiences with native advertising. That’ll be launching with the full site.
We’ll be live on Apple News on day one also. Apple News, which I think you guys wrote about, is starting to have real success in driving traffic to publishers. They were kind enough to scramble and get us on their platform for day one.
We still have the We the People project we were doing that’s now been folded into Axios. That is a daily partnership with NowThis News where we help narrate what’s happening with Trump in Washington and the results on that have been awesome, and we’ll continue doing that at least in short term.
— NowThis (@nowthisnews) September 23, 2016
Hopefully over time, we’re able to lock down as much of that audience of serious news consumers as possible. By delivering content they trust, find enjoyable, and illuminating.
We’ve hired a team. It’s no secret we plan to add a high-level subscription dimension to that later this year. While we’re building the platform, while we’re learning from our data, we’re also working on plans to roll out very specific subscription products later in the year. In the beginning of the year.
In the beginning we have to have all of our focus on building the brand and getting people to trust it and respect it and get hooked on it.
I look at Axios as a rolling R&D lab. We have theories, some strong views based on our experience at Politico and other places about what works. But we want to keep testing new ideas, because more of the same isn’t what people are looking for right now or is the path to prosperity.
There’s always going to be a robust future for advertising. Right now our personal views are that banner ads, popup ads, and these expansive native advertising packages that people are putting together are not the most effective device for reaching consumers, and I don’t think they’re the best device for advertisers. We’re not trying to jam you on pageviews.